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JustAnotherGen

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25. I'm not suggesting we destroy it -

Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:27 PM

Jul 2015

I'm suggesting we remove it.

My husband is a UNESCO certified restoration specialist - he and his team have worked to remove stained glass pieces (in the iron) from churches and building with 500-600 years more on them than this sculpture. He's got his start as a metal specialist in the Pantheon working around the stone.

It we can remove and restore things far more fragile i.e. stained glass and ancient Rome and ancient Roman ruins around Europe - we can remove this with care.

Now I know for a fact there are people in the US who are qualified to remove it - because he has worked with them here.

And note -my husband is a juried artist - so I TOTALLY get the 'artist' point of view. The restoration work lead to two branches of his business - custom design and restoration for architecture. If no one is available in the US - we could reach out to someone with his kind of art training abroad - An artist who does this type of commercial work because there is a lot more money involved will 'get it' and treat it with care. Especially if they are involved with UNESCO. You can't touch their shit unless you are the best at what you do.

It's not an ungettable get. And due to it being exposed - we really should have it in a museum as an 'oddity' of America. You don't want to lose it - but you could certainly look at it as a 'shame on us' thing.

Then again - I think Triumph of the Will (Reifenstahl's propaganda piece for Hitler) is one of the most beautiful things filmed - from an artist perspective. And I'm amazed at D.W.'s special effects in Birth of a Nation. But we won't find those movies being shown today outside of Holocaust memorials or Art and History of Film Classes. I think TCM showed BOAN last year with heavy commentary before and after. Both are perfect example of 'shame on us' while giving us a slice of the worst people in the world.

This is another slice of the worst people in the world (the Klan) and what they worshipped and were lead by.

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NAACP wants Confederate carving removed from Georgia's Stone Mountain [View all] struggle4progress Jul 2015 OP

That's a dumb suggestion. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #1

Sure Major Nikon Jul 2015 #9

Art is art. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #11

You could also consider the movie, "Birth of a Nation" art Major Nikon Jul 2015 #18

It is art. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #20

It never was a statue Major Nikon Jul 2015 #23

That's precisely what the Buddha statues in Bamiyan were, too. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #28

Nonsense Major Nikon Jul 2015 #39

A nation that destroys art because it disagrees with the subect of that art... MohRokTah Jul 2015 #44

Yeah, right Major Nikon Jul 2015 #75

There are no public funds supporting it. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #76

Nonsense Major Nikon Jul 2015 #77

Herschend Family Entertainment manages Stone Mountain Park MohRokTah Jul 2015 #85

Do you think it is privately owned? Major Nikon Jul 2015 #92

I just PROVED it is privately MANAGED! MohRokTah Jul 2015 #99

You didn't answer the question. Diversion noted. Major Nikon Jul 2015 #106

Should all copies of "Birth of a Nation" be destroyed? philosslayer Jul 2015 #22

I could care less if they rotted in Trump's attic Major Nikon Jul 2015 #24

You are the one who brought up destruction philosslayer Jul 2015 #29

No, I'm not the one who brought it up Major Nikon Jul 2015 #35

It should be used as a way to teach how propaganda is used csziggy Jul 2015 #113

While Birth of a nation may be biaased and racist 1939 Jul 2015 #34

Sure, so were statues of Stalin and Saddam Hussein Major Nikon Jul 2015 #36

Museums seem a much more appropriate venue to maintain and display art... LanternWaste Jul 2015 #54

No museum could hold the Stone Mountain bas relief. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #55

Birth of a Nation is art created to support an awful premise el_bryanto Jul 2015 #48

The celebration of racism is the celebration of racism. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #43

Destroying art is vile and morally on the same level as the Taliban. eom MohRokTah Jul 2015 #45

Also on the same moral level as ISIS: NutmegYankee Jul 2015 #91

Have you really looked at the Stone Mountain carving? csziggy Jul 2015 #112

I would absolutely support multiple signs explaining the history of the site. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #118

Wow. really? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #78

Interesting - who lives in Stone Mountain GA JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #2

Are you sure they want it gone? philosslayer Jul 2015 #4

You familiar with GA? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #7

FWIW, Stone Mountain is part of Metro Atlanta. It's surrounded by suburbs. n/t Dawgs Jul 2015 #17

a lot of this was a reaction to civil rights JI7 Jul 2015 #21

What I saw in Stone Mountain GA's Klan JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #30

That really is not a very good carving.... dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #3

A hurricane already did that exboyfil Jul 2015 #51

I'm for it. That place gives me the creeps. It was home to an annual Klan cross burning Hoyt Jul 2015 #5

Oh my god! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #8

Finished in '72. The concept goes back to the early 20th century Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #10

Here's a phtograph of the progress in 1930 MohRokTah Jul 2015 #12

15 years after the second Klan was 'born' JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #14

Destroying art because we disagree with the subject is no different from the Taliban MohRokTah Jul 2015 #19

I'm not suggesting we destroy it - JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #25

To remove it would be to destroy it. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #32

I disagree JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #38

I like it...let's do it! nt haikugal Jul 2015 #41

It CANNOT BE DONE! MohRokTah Jul 2015 #47

I agree, it can't be moved. Interestingly, they are moving the Cyclorama Hoyt Jul 2015 #59

No Abouttime Jul 2015 #62

It's art. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #63

And destroy the mountain itself, which is an interesting piece of geology. alarimer Jul 2015 #119

You are just too damn smart! bravenak Jul 2015 #79

No never smash JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #111

IT CANNOT BE REMOVED WITHOUT DESTROYING IT! MohRokTah Jul 2015 #86

It is really bad art. I suggest howitzers. kwassa Jul 2015 #98

That's just Taliban like crap. Blowing up art because you don't like it. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #100

It isn't art. It is propoganda. Blow it up. kwassa Jul 2015 #102

You don't like it so you say it isn't art. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #103

It isn't art because you say it is. kwassa Jul 2015 #105

A 90' x 190' bas relief isn't art? MohRokTah Jul 2015 #110

I think the sculpture should stay where it is Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #97

Another of a place to put it - the National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #33

I don't think you get the enormity of this piece of art. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #37

I absolutely DO JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #40

I'm telling you IT CANNOT BE DONE! MohRokTah Jul 2015 #49

They don't want to preserve it B2G Jul 2015 #50

It's fucking Talibanlike to destroy it. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #52

I couldn't agree more. nt B2G Jul 2015 #53

ITA with you. Ilsa Jul 2015 #96

Ummmm...actually, explosives weren't used to do the actual carving. Edited A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #69

lose a significant amount of material in doing so MohRokTah Jul 2015 #70

No, by significant I mean 10% or less. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #71

And some were pissed about an honor guard B2G Jul 2015 #73

Might be a tad tricky to dangle something like that off a sheer face of a mountain. alphafemale Jul 2015 #115

It cannot be moved. Calista241 Jul 2015 #64

Is there an example of removing with out destroying such a large carved relief in granite? aikoaiko Jul 2015 #117

Then every city in the US is "just like the Taliban" Scootaloo Jul 2015 #80

Interesting Gormy - the first meeting of the '2nd Klan' JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #13

Good CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #6

+1. I grew up in Atlanta, still arguing with yahoos who say the flag and memorial are part of Hoyt Jul 2015 #15

Question - see MohRokTah's responses up above JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #42

I'm in a minority of opinion in Atlanta on this. Unless I just can't avoid it, I will not Hoyt Jul 2015 #57

I go there all the time. The roads are perfect for cycling and there's not much traffic Calista241 Jul 2015 #67

Unfortunately, I feel creepy there. I go to Kennesaw Battle Field to hike, but it's not a monument Hoyt Jul 2015 #74

Thanks for sharing your experience on this JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #109

Would you agree to bulldozing the grave yards? n/t oneshooter Jul 2015 #95

Did I not answer that question CTBlueboy Jul 2015 #104

Its about time the NAACP drop the "C" 951-Riverside Jul 2015 #16

WTF?? philosslayer Jul 2015 #26

Well - you get right on them and get that protest going n/t JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #27

I think the NAACP can decide what to call themselves. They don't need your advice. nt Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #31

Man, there's some weird people making weird claims in this thread. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #82

I went to Stone Mountain about 12 years ago... Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #46

I remember the park as an outdoors haven to get away from the built up cities for a while Charlie Brown Jul 2015 #56

That's it exactly... Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #72

It is a park I have enjoyed. alphafemale Jul 2015 #114

Well, that isn't going to happen. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #58

People forget that this memorial is bigger than Rushmore. craigmatic Jul 2015 #60

. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #61

. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #65

OOPS, the park is run by private enterprise. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #66

It's so sad to me that sculptors with talent were such racists. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #68

I did not know you are a sculptor! bravenak Jul 2015 #81

Ceramics teacher and sculptor. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #87

NAACP should be more worried about the right to vote. They need to pick their battles B Calm Jul 2015 #83

I do not necessarily disagree and yet tymorial Jul 2015 #84

Precisely. Where does it stop when it comes Ilsa Jul 2015 #101

Nobody wraps themselves in stone mountain. The flag removal in NC and elsewhere kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #88

Change Davis' outfit to a Petticoat - that's what he was wearing when captured maxsolomon Jul 2015 #89

Are we going to close down Civil War museums next? davidn3600 Jul 2015 #90

All those nickels with Jefferson and Monticello on them...they prob'ly gotta go. HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #116

Stupid idea. 840high Jul 2015 #93

I have said that in the past jberryhill Jul 2015 #94

I don't go there often, I'm all for removing the sculptures but ecstatic Jul 2015 #107

Lived in metro Atlanta most of my life, never been to Stone Mountain Glitterati Jul 2015 #108