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alp227

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Thu Jul 16, 2015, 12:25 PM Jul 2015

Slate: The Misleading War on GMOs [View all]

The war against genetically modified organisms is full of fearmongering, errors, and fraud. Labeling them will not make you safer.
By William Saletan

The central premise of these laws—and the main source of consumer anxiety, which has sparked corporate interest in GMO-free food—is concern about health. Last year, in a survey by the Pew Research Center, 57 percent of Americans said it’s generally “unsafe to eat genetically modified foods.” Vermont says the primary purpose of its labeling law is to help people “avoid potential health risks of food produced from genetic engineering.” Chipotle notes that 300 scientists have “signed a statement rejecting the claim that there is a scientific consensus on the safety of GMOs for human consumption.” Until more studies are conducted, Chipotle says, “We believe it is prudent to take a cautious approach toward GMOs.”

The World Health Organization, the American Medical Association, the National Academy of Sciences, and the American Association for the Advancement of Science have all declared that there’s no good evidence GMOs are unsafe. Hundreds of studies back up that conclusion. But many of us don’t trust these assurances. We’re drawn to skeptics who say that there’s more to the story, that some studies have found risks associated with GMOs, and that Monsanto is covering it up.

I’ve spent much of the past year digging into the evidence. Here’s what I’ve learned. First, it’s true that the issue is complicated. But the deeper you dig, the more fraud you find in the case against GMOs. It’s full of errors, fallacies, misconceptions, misrepresentations, and lies. The people who tell you that Monsanto is hiding the truth are themselves hiding evidence that their own allegations about GMOs are false. They’re counting on you to feel overwhelmed by the science and to accept, as a gut presumption, their message of distrust.

Second, the central argument of the anti-GMO movement—that prudence and caution are reasons to avoid genetically engineered, or GE, food—is a sham. Activists who tell you to play it safe around GMOs take no such care in evaluating the alternatives. They denounce proteins in GE crops as toxic, even as they defend drugs, pesticides, and non-GMO crops that are loaded with the same proteins. They portray genetic engineering as chaotic and unpredictable, even when studies indicate that other crop improvement methods, including those favored by the same activists, are more disruptive to plant genomes.

Third, there are valid concerns about some aspects of GE agriculture, such as herbicides, monocultures, and patents. But none of these concerns is fundamentally about genetic engineering. Genetic engineering isn’t a thing. It’s a process that can be used in different ways to create different things. To think clearly about GMOs, you have to distinguish among the applications and focus on the substance of each case. If you’re concerned about pesticides and transparency, you need to know about the toxins to which your food has been exposed. A GMO label won’t tell you that. And it can lull you into buying a non-GMO product even when the GE alternative is safer.


Full: http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html

In other words, the anti-GMO crowd stoops to the same mental manipulation tactics as creationists, global warming deniers, Fox News, or right wing talk radio. No wonder America is so scientifically ignorant, with 80 percent of Americans in a survey supporting labelling foods containing DNA (presumably with lots of overlap of those demanding labels for GMO's and chemicals).

If GMO's were really harmful, there would've been a hell of a lot more studies in peer reviewed journals proving so, instead of the phony Seralini study. The anti-GMO mania wouldn't have been limited to crank sites like Natural News.

Face it. Pseudoscience is pseudoscience. Creationism = anti-vaccine hysteria = anti-GMO hysteria = alchemy = phrenology = global warming denialism. End of story.
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Yep. Anti vaxxers are very similar to anti-GMO folks (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #1
There is no connection at all between the two groups, though GMO sellers pnwmom Jul 2015 #2
No connection at all? Major Nikon Jul 2015 #40
He's one man. You can find handfuls of people to say anything. But the vast majority of Americans pnwmom Jul 2015 #41
Actually the vast majority of Americans could give a shit about either Major Nikon Jul 2015 #43
93% of Americans vaccinate their children and 93% of Americans want GMOs labeled GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #3
Good point! Thanks! n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #4
93% of Americans are correct on vaccination and wrong on GMOs Orrex Jul 2015 #8
that is your opinion restorefreedom Jul 2015 #26
what is the limit of that right? Orrex Jul 2015 #28
1. it not based on ignorance and fear restorefreedom Jul 2015 #39
The right to know what you are buying doesn't include knowing how it's produced Major Nikon Jul 2015 #45
you have a right to know what is in it restorefreedom Jul 2015 #48
Ingredient labels are a thing you know. Lancero Jul 2015 #75
other consumers are free to read or ignore restorefreedom Jul 2015 #76
If you want organic food, buy organic labels. Lancero Jul 2015 #77
labeling is not perfect restorefreedom Jul 2015 #78
So we need foods labeled as organic... Lancero Jul 2015 #99
All it will do is raise the prices on food yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #107
There's a right to know what you are buying, not how it's produced Major Nikon Jul 2015 #44
GM Foods: A Moment of Honesty HuckleB Aug 2015 #114
gm is about two important issues restorefreedom Aug 2015 #117
Those are two of the common talking points. HuckleB Aug 2015 #118
Seldom have logic or evidence persuaded true believers in pseudoscience Orrex Jul 2015 #5
Now tell us about why GMOs now need Enlist Duo and why Starlink corn was recalled. GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #6
Why is it better to coddle irrational, misinformed fear? Orrex Jul 2015 #9
By William Saletan KamaAina Jul 2015 #7
You do remember using Saletan for an OP just a few months ago though, right? nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #21
Unlike Kaus, he is occasionally readable. KamaAina Jul 2015 #22
Yes, if I remember correctly......nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #24
The piece in question was hilarious. KamaAina Jul 2015 #23
Read his excerpt carefully gratuitous Jul 2015 #32
+1 nationalize the fed Jul 2015 #42
You make good points. Consumers are walking away from Big Food right now. GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #50
Well, they're trying. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #55
If GMOs are all that beneficial and good, why the resistance to labeling? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #10
Because such labels would damage sales for no good reason at all. Orrex Jul 2015 #12
Wrong. Labels, if factual, have zero impact on sales. closeupready Jul 2015 #14
You can't possibly believe that. Orrex Jul 2015 #17
Should organic products be forced to label, "fertilized with cow shit" Major Nikon Jul 2015 #33
GMO products should be labeled as such. closeupready Jul 2015 #35
You didn't answer the questions Major Nikon Jul 2015 #38
most people know that crops are fertilized restorefreedom Jul 2015 #49
Why are "ignorance and fear" so widespread? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #15
Yes, it's ignorance and fear, repeatedly demonstrated right here on DU Orrex Jul 2015 #18
Soooo...why can't GMO corporations sell their product as safe and beneficial? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #19
You simply don't understand the issue Orrex Jul 2015 #20
Here's why I asked. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #25
Regardless... Orrex Jul 2015 #30
gratuitous makes some pretty good points in reply 32 above GitRDun Jul 2015 #85
Consumers have every right to want the labels Orrex Jul 2015 #91
They have every right to demand that their elected officials pass laws that require gmo labelling. GitRDun Jul 2015 #94
If you'll allow... CanSocDem Jul 2015 #27
Some illiteracy here. Science does not prove things. It just doesn't. immoderate Jul 2015 #29
You want to withhold information to help corporate profits DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #36
Nope, try again Orrex Jul 2015 #89
Yes, in fact. "I know you are, but what am I" was invalidated after third grade. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #108
No, you're posting an objective lie. Orrex Jul 2015 #109
It's obviously not involunary action. Please show me where they're forced to sell food. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #110
That's a deflection. You're really no good at this "discussion" thing. Orrex Jul 2015 #112
Will GMOs Hurt My Body? The Public’s Concerns and How Scientists Have Addressed Them HuckleB Sep 2015 #119
If Mutation Bred Organisms are all that beneficial good, why aren't they labeled? HuckleB Aug 2015 #116
I tend to agree, although I think processors ought to label their food for those Hoyt Jul 2015 #11
Keep shilling that Monsanto BS! closeupready Jul 2015 #13
Standard kneejerk reply. Buzz Clik Jul 2015 #16
I have allergies to certain foods and chemicals. That's why I want GMO produce identified. haele Jul 2015 #31
You are less likely to experience an allergic reaction from GMO Major Nikon Jul 2015 #34
If one has data on one group and not on another then one cannot predict that either group is less GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #47
For one thing, that's simply not true Major Nikon Jul 2015 #51
The maxim I stated is true BUT there IS data for non-GMO because it IS tested after all (?) GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #54
Sure, after it's already created a problem Major Nikon Jul 2015 #57
Maxim: You can't compare two sets of data if you only have one set of data. GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #63
You can predict which one is more likely to cause a problem Major Nikon Jul 2015 #66
incorrect restorefreedom Jul 2015 #52
Your post provides a pretty good proof of the OP Major Nikon Jul 2015 #56
gmo crops are not proven safe re allergies restorefreedom Jul 2015 #59
Neither one supports your assertion Major Nikon Jul 2015 #62
yes i do restorefreedom Jul 2015 #65
Then please show me what law grants you that right Major Nikon Jul 2015 #68
the right to know what is in my food?? restorefreedom Jul 2015 #70
I'm not sure if you don't understand or you're being obtuse Major Nikon Jul 2015 #71
in this case they are one and the same. nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #74
Corn does not stop being corn because it's been transgenically modified Major Nikon Jul 2015 #83
there's corn restorefreedom Jul 2015 #86
Sure Major Nikon Jul 2015 #88
this is clearly an impasse restorefreedom Jul 2015 #90
I have no interest in changing your mind Major Nikon Jul 2015 #93
So? If they aren't labeled, then consumers won't know what they're reacting to. pnwmom Jul 2015 #61
I don't believe anyone is petitioning for common allergens NOT to be labeled Major Nikon Jul 2015 #64
The GMO producers are fighting to continue not labeling GMO ingredients. pnwmom Jul 2015 #72
Not surprisingly given there's no proven risk Major Nikon Jul 2015 #73
I don't know why they don't support labeling because that stance is inconsistent pnwmom Jul 2015 #79
Seems entirely consistent Major Nikon Jul 2015 #82
We don't have mandatory pre-market testing with the FDA. So, in the absence of that, pnwmom Jul 2015 #84
There is no absence of testing Major Nikon Jul 2015 #87
There IS an absence of mandatory safety testing, and that's why the AMA is calling for it. pnwmom Jul 2015 #92
The AMA is not the only one calling for it Major Nikon Jul 2015 #95
Right now the producers can select which studies they submit to the FDA, pnwmom Jul 2015 #97
That would be a pretty good trick Major Nikon Jul 2015 #98
Not according to the AMA. In the statement in your own link. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #102
The testing of GMO's is voluntary, not mandatory. And the FDA has a conflict of interest pnwmom Jul 2015 #106
Point is, I don't have many reactions to common allergens. haele Jul 2015 #81
The reality is that other seed development technologies should scare you more. HuckleB Aug 2015 #115
I'm not looking for 'safer'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #37
You just won 10 minutes worth Free Fact Checking Service ! paragraph 2... GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #46
need something like... Wolverine23 Jul 2015 #53
I don't give a fuck about Monsanto's profits. If they want to keep losing the public trust then they GoneFishin Jul 2015 #58
+1000 nt laundry_queen Jul 2015 #80
No one should trust William Saletan, who wrote "Why I love Paul Ryan." pnwmom Jul 2015 #60
Hank Green on his YouTube podcast, SciShow, had to set the record straight cpwm17 Jul 2015 #67
One thing I never understood about the Anti-GMO argument, if its so obviously bad... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #69
It's possible to not be a purist in regards to GMOs. Oneironaut Jul 2015 #96
... X_Digger Jul 2015 #100
Fuck Slate. And fuck the Monsanto shills. kestrel91316 Jul 2015 #101
What a thoughtful and nuanced perspective. Bonx Jul 2015 #111
Farmers turn to GMO-free crops to boost income JEB Jul 2015 #103
Fuck everyone who is trying to force me to purchase and eat GMO's. They Zorra Jul 2015 #104
Insulin is all from genetically modified bacteria these days eridani Jul 2015 #105
A very thorough piece, that covers the reality of the situation. HuckleB Jul 2015 #113
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