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djysrv

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13. Fukushima spent fuel cannot catch on fire or blow up
Thu May 17, 2012, 04:38 PM
May 2012

Led by Will Davis at Atomic Power Review, a group of nuclear bloggers and analysts has crafted response to information posted by Robert Alvarez about spent fuel at Fukushima and the structural integrity of reactor #4.

http://ansnuclearcafe.org/2012/05/16/spent-fuel-at-fukushima-not-dangerous/

Alvarez's first claim is that the reactor building #4 is at risk of collapse. Second, he claims the spent fuel pool could catch on fire.

There are two points to be made. First, Fukushima reactor bldg #4 is not on the verge of collapse. Second, none of the spent fuel pools at Fukushima can catch on fire.

In a piece called Spent Fuel Safer than Asserted published at ANS Nuclear Cafe, a group of nuclear bloggers, writers, and analysts dissected Alvarez's claims and pointed out numerous, serious errors in them.

Reactor Building #4 will not collapse

In the past year TECPO has added massive concrete and steel reinforcements to the #4 reactor. It has removed debris from the building. The building is now stronger than when it was originally constructed 40 years ago. See the blog post at ANS Cafe for the technical details.

Spent fuel pool #4 will not catch on fire

For starters, Alvarez claims there are 10,893 spent fuel assemblies at Fukushima. In fact, there are only 2,724 spent fuel assemblies at all Fukushima reactors and all of them are in conditions which are below the temperature at which fuel cladding could oxidize. The technical details are laid out in the ANS Cafe article.

Alavarez claims, in particular, that if the spent fuel in pool #4 were to lose its cooling water, that the zirconium cladding on the fuel would oxidize and that all of the curies of radioactivity in the fuel would simultaneously be ejected into the open air.

This sequence isn’t possible based on the current condition of the spent fuel at reactor #4 nor is it possible for the other spent fuel stored at Fukushima.

First, the spent fuel isn’t hot enough. It has been out of the reactor long enough that even if all the water was lost, the remaining decay heat would still be below the point of ignition which is 900C for the cladding and 2,880C for the uranium oxide in the fuel.

Second, the fuel has been out of the reactor for more than a year. The fuel has been out of the reactor longer than the point at which it could catch on fire.

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This needs to stay on the home page. northoftheborder May 2012 #1
It needs to remain in the trash, where it belongs. TheWraith May 2012 #4
According to the Naval Nuclear Power School I attended, you're dead wrong DisgustipatedinCA May 2012 #7
So, you're familiar with the various uranium fires that have occurred around the world AtheistCrusader May 2012 #10
"It's bad times for a goodly chunk of Japan ... That's about the end of it." - AtheistCrusader Doremus May 2012 #15
The article raises two issues. AtheistCrusader May 2012 #27
they aren't even crust-yins greenman3610 May 2012 #43
You're wrong, not to mention calloused. caseymoz May 2012 #25
How big is the east urals radioactive trace? AtheistCrusader May 2012 #28
That disaster probably took a month off everyone's life. caseymoz May 2012 #34
The fuel rods are cold enough AtheistCrusader May 2012 #38
It depends if you believe TEPCO or not. caseymoz May 2012 #57
You know, I think I'll go with Ron Wyden. Airc, before this disaster happened, people, such as sabrina 1 May 2012 #39
Please google the Brookings Institute report on spent fuel pool fires flamingdem May 2012 #23
I'm sure it's harmless. gateley May 2012 #53
And Nobody Never was there-Nomore Downwinder May 2012 #2
The United Nations and all the nations of the world better get on this ASAP. xtraxritical May 2012 #3
damn it. Javaman May 2012 #5
k/r AndyTiedye May 2012 #6
Since the scientists have not been able to fix this what is the military going to do? Bomb it? jwirr May 2012 #8
No, what they need is like what happened at Chernoybl. Suicide squads to go in and clear things Katashi_itto May 2012 #20
The truth is that they'll have to send in soldiers who will die as a result of radiation exposure flamingdem May 2012 #21
And the idiot morons continue to promote their nuclear energy Dont call me Shirley May 2012 #9
was it Wyden who suggested that Americans move away from the West Coast? grasswire May 2012 #11
Arne Gundersen magical thyme May 2012 #49
K&R This is an international problem felix_numinous May 2012 #12
Fukushima spent fuel cannot catch on fire or blow up djysrv May 2012 #13
but what about the earthquake hazard? marions ghost May 2012 #16
Sure FBaggins May 2012 #37
Hilariously irresponsible marions ghost May 2012 #45
Do you often require strawmen in order to debate? FBaggins May 2012 #48
no. because the author has actually seen the building, up close and personal magical thyme May 2012 #50
He's seen them up close? FBaggins May 2012 #51
what the hydrogen explosiosn did and didn't do djysrv May 2012 #47
Post removed Post removed May 2012 #19
Meanwhile over @DK is this comment FogerRox May 2012 #24
K&R... stonecutter357 May 2012 #32
timing of scenario djysrv May 2012 #56
so are you saying that everything will be fine as long as they keep cooling water to it? zeemike May 2012 #26
What about us? mahina May 2012 #14
K&R... stonecutter357 May 2012 #17
SIGN THIS PETITION AT CHANGE.ORG !!! Pressure for the SU to support Japan with cleanup of Fuku flamingdem May 2012 #18
I don't know there is actually a risk to us but... AtheistCrusader May 2012 #29
The world should help Japan with whatever means possible and Uncle Joe May 2012 #22
Everybody RELAX!!! bvar22 May 2012 #30
K&R... stonecutter357 May 2012 #31
k&r... spanone May 2012 #33
My 41 years on the planet have taught me this: Moostache May 2012 #35
Actually, no one can just "stroll on up to the facility without any protective gear, Art_from_Ark May 2012 #40
Well, ok then RobertEarl May 2012 #52
You mean, like here? Art_from_Ark May 2012 #54
Maybe the Mayans were right...... marmar May 2012 #36
In related news, Jotunheimen in Norway more radioactive than scientists expected KitSileya May 2012 #41
k&r. n/t DLevine May 2012 #42
Gotta love Captain Atom and the Nnewquelur Avengers.... DCKit May 2012 #44
K&R. Overseas May 2012 #46
a large aircraft hangar needs to be built over #4 separately KakistocracyHater May 2012 #55
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