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alc

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16. mass anonymous killings are sensational but not fixable

Thu Jul 16, 2015, 06:23 PM

Jul 2015

Statistically they are not something the federal (or state) can do much about with laws. If we assume that 10 killers murder 100 people a year this way (those numbers are high), that's something like
0.00000003% of the population
killing
0.0000003% of the population

There are quite a few things that kill 0.0000003% of the population per year. I imagine everyone would be unhappy if the government tried to "fix"/"stop" all of those things.

There are no laws the federal government can enforce to "fix"/"stop" these killing. Maybe EXTREME surveillance and/or keeping us in cages will make a significant improvement (save 50 lives/year).

That's not saying gun laws are stupid though I'm against many. But those 10 murderers are probably not going to be deterred by any law. They plan it, and have other options (explosives, fire, poison, a big truck, an airplane). It makes more sense to base gun laws on non-anonymous mass killings (e.g. boss/ex-spouse and anyone in the area). Or on non-mass shooting. Many more of those types of murder occur each year and there are laws that could reasonably make a difference in people acting on short-term emotion rather than acting on a thought out plan.

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Every building is a target until something is done [View all] malaise Jul 2015 OP

You can only talk about guns in GD on days when they are in the news NightWatcher Jul 2015 #1

Amazing indeed malaise Jul 2015 #2

So am I malaise madokie Jul 2015 #3

Same here malaise Jul 2015 #5

Me either. Agschmid Jul 2015 #26

Yep. nt raccoon Jul 2015 #7

Partial gun bans and stronger background checks will never work ever... 951-Riverside Jul 2015 #4

Good luck convincing American gun owners of that YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #9

There is no political party in America that opposes the 2A hack89 Jul 2015 #10

Ummm. It is still possible to own firearms in the UK Adrahil Jul 2015 #29

That simple malaise Jul 2015 #35

I don't think attacks by individuals with names like Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #6

Apparently he made the same point in his yearbook malaise Jul 2015 #36

I don't know what can be done about them at this point Ex Lurker Jul 2015 #8

Yeah, just look how well no guns worked for Tunisia victims seveneyes Jul 2015 #11

Are you saying that European tourists should have carried firearms in their bathing suits? maxsolomon Jul 2015 #13

With a history of bad men, take no chances seveneyes Jul 2015 #14

I think the point is that criminals will still be able to get guns oberliner Jul 2015 #15

I believe every advocate of greater gun control would respond: maxsolomon Jul 2015 #22

These Tunisia comparisons are stupid. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #18

Tunisia is a neighbor of Libya malaise Jul 2015 #19

Yes. Then we can be just as safe as Tunisia. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #12

Otherwise, we're all going to get gunned down by jihadis, right? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #17

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! n/t malaise Jul 2015 #20

And gun control was such a rousing success in Chicago. Truly the poster city of gun control. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #21

Trotting out the greatest hits of 2nd amendment retorts, I see. maxsolomon Jul 2015 #23

My previous interlocutor mentioned Chicago. He was correct in his statement about the city's Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #25

mass anonymous killings are sensational but not fixable alc Jul 2015 #16

If they have other options, then why do they not use them? maxsolomon Jul 2015 #24

2 answers to that whatthehey Jul 2015 #39

But not at the same rate maxsolomon Jul 2015 #41

Mexico has strict gun laws Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #27

They are insured of a steady gun supply from the U.S. Corporate death-merchants here.... villager Jul 2015 #28

The majority of guns used in mexico do not come from the US Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #31

Yes, most of the American guns they use come from America. villager Jul 2015 #34

About 41,000 deaths each year... Adrahil Jul 2015 #30

alcohol kills 88,000 Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #33

I like this gun control solution... Lancero Jul 2015 #32

Always did malaise Jul 2015 #40

Common sense vs Sacred Cow Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #37

Something done = total ban Matrosov Jul 2015 #38

Wow... Henryville Jul 2015 #42