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happyslug

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53. If you read the article, assult Weapons/rifles are NOT a problem
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jul 2015

According to FBI statistics 69% of all murders are done with pistols. In fact knives and clubs EACH kill more people then rifles AND shotguns combined (and that includes AK-47 and AR-15/M16 clones). Thus if someone wants such a weapon, the chances of it being used illegally is way less then someone using a baseball bat.

As to this type of "Militia" Hamilton in the Federalist Papers advocated that the reserve militia (a term he did NOT use, but is the present name for such unorganized parts of the Militia) be called up no more then once a year to see if they have the necessary equipment and then sent home. The purpose of the call up is to make sure the reserve militia is equipped if and when it is called up to duty. In the Militia Act of 1792, this concept was REJECTED in favor of the States during similar call up of its Militia on a monthly basis, something that fell out of favor after about 1820 when the Native American Threat all but disappeared from most of the US.

When the present Militia act was passed in 1905 (It has been changed several times since 1905 for example to include women in the National Guard), it was decided that the reserve militia would only be used in emergency situations and thus best formed up to face such emergencies. The last time the reserve militia showed up was during the massive flooding of the upper Mississippi in the 1990s. They were called "Volunteers" and both the Federal Government and State Government refused to call them Militia (more to avoid having to pay for any medical injuries then anything else), but it was the people as a whole going to the levees building them up to reduce the extent of the flooding.

Now, back to weapons. Pistols are the problems NOT Rifles. We could abolish all regulations on rifles, and that will have no affect on the crime rate. On the other hand, regulation of pistols in another thing all together, These are the weapons of choice when it comes to crimes including mass murder. The Article makes a good argument to banning large capacity magazine (Something I agree with when it comes to pistols, but I believe violates the Second amendment when it comes to rifles) but then points out it is large capacity pistols that are the problem NOT rifles (Rifle with large capacity have been used in mass murders, but no where near the level of pistols and to a lesser degree then bombs).

Thus these people having rifles fit only for combat has no affect on crime rates or murder rates. These people are insane in spending they money on such weapons, but such insanity is perfectly legal in the US and does NOT lead to any social or criminal problems.

Remember, till the 1960s, only 10% of all firearms being purchased were pistols, pistols sales are now 40% of all firearms sales. This massive increase in fire power in the form of pistols makes no sense, except if you remember people will embrace what they are exposed to (Pistols and hand grenades look much more effective on Movie and TV screens then they do in real life, thus that most people get their entertainment via such screens increases the demand for pistols). We need to regulate pistols, and I have long supported that anyone with a license to carry be required to carry only a revolver, for it restricts then to six shots AND if they concern in "Protection" six shots are sufficient AND given the nature of a Revolver, if a round does not fire, the revolver will go to the next round, in an automatic the weapons just jams, this is the primary reason police carried revolvers for decades in the US, till they started to watch to much TV and all wanted automatics.

Such a requirement will reduce the demand for Automatics to a level that most criminals will end up with revolvers not automatics. This will also reduce the numbers of mass murders by the simple fact that the pistol of choice would be incapacity of high rates of fire.

IBTL hobbit709 Jul 2015 #1
This shouldn't be locked SecularMotion Jul 2015 #2
The OP isn't a news story, it's an opinion piece. nt Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #4
A whiney one at best. imthevicar Jul 2015 #21
Have to agree with the article comments. Hangingon Jul 2015 #60
Its a legit news article 951-Riverside Jul 2015 #3
Looks like a big op-ed to me, explaining why an historically anti-gun publication... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #92
Very pertinent to the mass killing we had just yesterday. onehandle Jul 2015 #5
Barring the obvious, here's what scares me about gun control. tecelote Jul 2015 #6
Pro Choice activists and the NRA have something in common Emelina Jul 2015 #7
What? blackspade Jul 2015 #15
They are brainwashed into thinking that ANY new gun law leads to taking away guns! Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #16
We're still waiting for the Controllers to actually enforce the laws already on the books. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #24
Many would disagree with those unsubstantiated claims. russ1943 Jul 2015 #67
Hell, they don't enforce the TOS in Guns Discussion. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #87
Hosts try to be guided by the SoP as well as the stickied thread at the top of GD petronius Jul 2015 #95
What regulations of abortion do you see as warranted and not an attempt to gollygee Jul 2015 #47
sensible gun control lancer78 Jul 2015 #99
Interesting middle ground piece more fitting for GCRA or GC&RKBA aka the Castle and Gungeon aikoaiko Jul 2015 #8
From the article SecularMotion Jul 2015 #10
Rightfully so. We should NOT discriminate against vets with mental health issues unless dangerous ... aikoaiko Jul 2015 #11
Unfortunately, the gun control crowd cannot be trusted. Indydem Jul 2015 #9
I'd be happy enough to take your guns out of your cold, dead hands. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #12
Thank you. Indydem Jul 2015 #13
They can give your heirs the value of the gun. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #14
So TeddyR Jul 2015 #20
Because no gun carries historical value. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #62
If they're rendered unfireable, sure. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #73
Um, why? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #75
"Why do we need to destroy these guns again?" To assuage a moral panic, apparently... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #78
See? It's not worth the time it takes to type a response. Indydem Jul 2015 #83
Just like people never drive Historical or collectors cars. NutmegYankee Jul 2015 #88
The list you quoted from the op-Ed piece contain contradictions. Hangingon Jul 2015 #61
In this case, that could be something like a flash suppressor. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #63
Who come up with the stupid "artwork" for the cover. ileus Jul 2015 #17
I think the "stupid" is the point, and an apt one. Hoyt Jul 2015 #18
Aw, c'mon! You're not jonesin' for a dual magazine CZ-75? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #86
I heard them saying on CNN a short while qgo malaise Jul 2015 #19
Probably was not an AK-47 Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #22
"What society allows citizens access to weapons of war?" Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #28
That's BS - have a look at the empirical evidence malaise Jul 2015 #29
I take it you didn't click the provided link. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #31
You're right malaise Jul 2015 #32
People in Srebrenica gave up their guns in exchange for guarantee of safety Telcontar Jul 2015 #33
Germany, Austria, France, the Czech Republic, Italy, Russia, Sweden, Finland.. sir pball Jul 2015 #35
"Your dead marines don't trump our right to guns and badass-looking accessories." Paladin Jul 2015 #23
What "badass-looking accessories" did Abdulazeez employ? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #27
30 round magazines aren't exactly used for hunting... Historic NY Jul 2015 #38
The RKBA is not about game hunting. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #39
I actually will coyote hunt with 30s. ileus Jul 2015 #70
I doubt your awkward question will be answered friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #76
I get that a lot. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #77
You do a fine job of countering 'poisoning the well' posts like that one friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #79
Yet, I'm not the technical expert like some of you guys. I just know when Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #84
Dead Marines, dead African-Americans praying in their church malaise Jul 2015 #30
Full autos are a pain in the ass to acquire, currently. Paladin Jul 2015 #37
Shakes head malaise Jul 2015 #46
And shootings reported in Maine, this morning. Paladin Jul 2015 #52
Hadn't heard of that one malaise Jul 2015 #55
Too bad we were not guaranteed libodem Jul 2015 #41
+1. Paladin Jul 2015 #43
And not just in America malaise Jul 2015 #44
I despise guns libodem Jul 2015 #48
Back at yah malaise Jul 2015 #54
More people die of second-hand smoke than guns every year. nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #25
Link to that claim? P.S. Smoking is BANNED in many places. WinkyDink Jul 2015 #82
Right on the cdc website Adrahil Jul 2015 #97
And who says libodem Jul 2015 #26
The US Government, see 10 US Code Section 301 happyslug Jul 2015 #34
I still think is more akin libodem Jul 2015 #40
If you read the article, assult Weapons/rifles are NOT a problem happyslug Jul 2015 #53
Do gun advocates seriously think they are going to stop a dictatorship from happening? jalan48 Jul 2015 #36
Modern militaries are too expensive and too lethal to effectively field large number of forces. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #42
That is not the reason I own guns. hack89 Jul 2015 #49
Ban all guns! n/t PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #45
Thanks for your support. nt hack89 Jul 2015 #50
I'll drive the collection vehicle libodem Jul 2015 #51
And when people decline to comply? Then what? Mere registration has < 5% compliancy. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #57
Last time I replied to a "they won't comply" thread my post was hidden. ileus Jul 2015 #72
But will you do the collecting? Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #94
Powerlessness To The People! Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #56
Only in your nra deluded mind. PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #58
Well, cops seem to be having a field day killing and injurying unarmed citizens. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #59
Ummm, FYI, Darb Jul 2015 #65
Oh blaming the 2nd amendment for cop brutality. former9thward Jul 2015 #68
Happens all the time. Some like to pretend that citizens just got guns recently TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #89
Eric Garner & Freddy Grey weren't killed because the cops feared for their lives. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #74
Truth. PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #91
It is so obvious, the solution is more guns. Darb Jul 2015 #64
It starts off with a bit of a strawman, but the specific suggestions are rather good: petronius Jul 2015 #66
I live near an alternate flight path. KamaAina Jul 2015 #69
Why won't guns stop killing people...hateful things. ileus Jul 2015 #71
Strange that a lot of otherwise rational folks believe in animism... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #81
Perhaps the "Strict Constructionists" would limit "arms" to those extant in 1776. WinkyDink Jul 2015 #80
Only if they issue their opinion on moveable-type press. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #85
Works for me! WinkyDink Jul 2015 #98
So, it's Gunz Discussion time again? Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #90
Time for you to complain, again, because people are criticizing your need for gunz. Hoyt Jul 2015 #93
Actuaaly, it seems like your usual suspects. Got two groups, still can't build a movement Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #96
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