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44. We lost tons of trees in the Oakland Hills Fire

Reply to Emelina (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 17, 2015, 04:19 PM

Jul 2015

the Eucalyptus helped cause a greater loss of trees.

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Close to one half million living healthy trees to be cut down around San Francisco!! [View all] truedelphi Jul 2015 OP

FEMA map illustrates the widespread impact of this ridiculous plan. truedelphi Jul 2015 #1

We need to be honest about the plan and your OP is not CreekDog Jul 2015 #11

Eucalyptus trees, nature's Roman candles? Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #14

Yes, indeed and though they use the term "clear cutting" CreekDog Jul 2015 #18

Also home to the western Monarch Butterfly Beaverhausen Jul 2015 #20

Yes, especially in Pacific Grove and Natural Bridges (Santa Cruz) Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #26

it's not the native home of the western Monarch Butterfly CreekDog Jul 2015 #28

The Monarch butterfly was happy with pine trees before the eucalyptus was introduced Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #29

The Bay Area is part of their migration route, not Eucalyptus Trees CreekDog Jul 2015 #39

Can't we just import some koala bears? Fawke Em Jul 2015 #17

I have been reading about this Tumbulu Jul 2015 #52

who did you call Nazis? that sounds like an intelligent thing to say. CreekDog Jul 2015 #59

I consider anyone who vilifies a plant because it is not a native Tumbulu Jul 2015 #66

Wanting to remove eucalyptus is displaying Nazi tendencies? CreekDog Jul 2015 #74

They're thriving because they're not native CreekDog Jul 2015 #75

Yes, here you go- win by intimidation Tumbulu Jul 2015 #93

I don't need to be an expert to accept the broad scientific consensus on these trees in this area CreekDog Jul 2015 #94

There is no broad consensus Tumbulu Jul 2015 #98

Experts on this topic are agreed about Eucalyptus trees in this region CreekDog Jul 2015 #99

Your posts are combative for no reason Tumbulu Jul 2015 #100

I'm combative? You said earlier that people were exhibiting "Nazi attitudes" CreekDog Jul 2015 #105

this is a common term around here in N CA: "native plant nazi" Tumbulu Jul 2015 #106

Yes, and that's why I asked you about it, but instead of saying... CreekDog Jul 2015 #107

please answer my questions Tumbulu Jul 2015 #108

Eucalyptus trees deserve to be eliminated based upon your own criteria then NickB79 Jul 2015 #79

I said that one can decide about the trees based on some real criteria Tumbulu Jul 2015 #102

Creating the forest equivalent of a corn field isn't a real criteria for removal? NickB79 Jul 2015 #103

I have native devil's claw pictures to gross you out if you'd like Tumbulu Jul 2015 #104

well I consider people that post that vaccines cause autism to be completely unreliable CreekDog Jul 2015 #83

Did you know the entire Appalachian ecosystem was destroyed by a non-native chestnut tree? Hestia Jul 2015 #85

Thank you. truedelphi Jul 2015 #72

What's next in your anti science rants? Denying global warming? CreekDog Jul 2015 #76

What entity is planning/proposing this? nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #2

Lots of additional information at the link. n/t. bvf Jul 2015 #7

Well, I'd hoped for an executive summary, SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #8

Actually, no, the link is incorrect CreekDog Jul 2015 #21

Thanks for the additional info. bvf Jul 2015 #27

East Bay Regional Parks IS NOT planning THIS. CreekDog Jul 2015 #19

Whoa. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #23

Yes, exactly CreekDog Jul 2015 #25

A report from the fire I am remembering. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #30

thank you, yes, that is a big part of the reason for this CreekDog Jul 2015 #49

Wtf???? dhill926 Jul 2015 #3

Generally, environmentalists support this type of thing CreekDog Jul 2015 #41

ok...thanks for the info and clarification... dhill926 Jul 2015 #43

Yes the same sort of environmentalists that supported MTBE in our gasoline! n/t truedelphi Jul 2015 #54

are you going to fix your OP or are you content to leave it filled with false information? CreekDog Jul 2015 #57

sounds like the only ones you trust are the ones that believe... CreekDog Jul 2015 #92

Jade Helm for 'Frisco! Throd Jul 2015 #4

Hardly - these sorts of kill the non-native trees movements (and leave the Calif parks and truedelphi Jul 2015 #55

the plan doesn't use roundup CreekDog Jul 2015 #58

"Frisco"? Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #110

Any idea what is the supposed puropse of doing this? I usually suspect real-estate motives arcane1 Jul 2015 #5

Fire protection Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #9

Those are the flammable trees, right? arcane1 Jul 2015 #10

Horizional trees don't present near as a much fire hazzard as vertical trees Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #15

That was one of the more glaring errors in the OP link. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #68

Not many crown fires develop when the fuel is sitting on the ground Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #73

they have a habit of exploding when they catch fire CreekDog Jul 2015 #24

People in the East Bay, where the trees are being cut, know living eucalyptus trees burn like Hell Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #6

That they do. Throd Jul 2015 #12

Lousy article bhikkhu Jul 2015 #13

thanks for pointing out the environmental benefits of this CreekDog Jul 2015 #22

Any possible "environmental benefits" will be wiped out once the truedelphi Jul 2015 #46

No, how many times do we have to point out what the actual plan is? CreekDog Jul 2015 #47

The author of the OP has been told that their OP is incorrect, they have not fixed it CreekDog Jul 2015 #48

These areas used to be grasslands Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #53

they aren't using roundup, but apparently Garlon 4 and just on tree stumps CreekDog Jul 2015 #61

Goats don't eat tree stumps, but they are naturally drawn toward them Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #67

Umm... downed wood is less flammable than standing live trees, not more Recursion Jul 2015 #16

This is the kind of discussion for which I appreciate DU very much. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #31

I like you and your positivity. CreekDog Jul 2015 #33

Oh, I agree. And then it was debunked. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #36

Native Californian here; eucalyptus trees suck. hunter Jul 2015 #32

And they drop a fuckton of dangerous branches any time there's a big storm. Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #111

Doesn't even have to be a storm. hunter Jul 2015 #112

When I was managing the urban forest (15,000 trees) in a small city in LA, Eucalyptus were underahedgerow Jul 2015 #34

However, mark my words, the only people that will profit from this truedelphi Jul 2015 #64

Dammit, it's not clear cutting. Spend more time reading the CURRENT plan CreekDog Jul 2015 #77

And BTW, it is not just the eucs - it is cedars and pines, truedelphi Jul 2015 #65

Goats love star thistle. They prefer it early in the season when it's succulent and thornless, but.. Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #69

Cut down trees - great way to increase C02 levels! Emelina Jul 2015 #35

Read the thread, it's not that simple tkmorris Jul 2015 #37

See the posts above regarding eucalyptus specifically, especially in CA. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #38

SusanCalvin, if you ever have the time to hike through the Marin Headlands, truedelphi Jul 2015 #60

Did you read anything associated with this topic? CreekDog Jul 2015 #42

Much agree, Emelina. truedelphi Jul 2015 #56

YOU DON'T EVEN POST WHAT THE REAL PLAN IS and you're lecturing us? CreekDog Jul 2015 #62

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #70

You're misleading the people that agree with you CreekDog Jul 2015 #78

The Coastal Post: "Vaccines Leading Cause of Infant Deaths" CreekDog Jul 2015 #88

and holy cow, you wrote about Contrails (ahem, you called them "chem trails")? CreekDog Jul 2015 #91

Native grasslands and prairies sequester as much, if not more, carbon as forests NickB79 Jul 2015 #80

Like I said, more trees equals less CO2. Emelina Jul 2015 #40

We lost tons of trees in the Oakland Hills Fire CreekDog Jul 2015 #44

What caused that fire was this - a lack of rain - truedelphi Jul 2015 #71

The fires are made worse by the presence of Eucalyptus, get it right CreekDog Jul 2015 #84

It's not unusual for there to be no rain and offshore flows in late October XemaSab Jul 2015 #86

You don't need trees to sequester carbon, just deep-rooted plants NickB79 Jul 2015 #81

Interesting that the OP has written that vaccines cause autism... CreekDog Jul 2015 #96

But Eucalyptus crowd out native ground cover and vegetation CreekDog Jul 2015 #95

The eucalyptus need to go Prism Jul 2015 #45

The discussion this OP generated was very informative. Kaleva Jul 2015 #50

Exactly! SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #51

That is the great thing about DU CreekDog Jul 2015 #63

Truedelphi, you're an anti-vaxxer? I see a post of yours on vaccines causing autism CreekDog Jul 2015 #82

They had a post hidden in this thread and can't reply. n/t tammywammy Jul 2015 #87

Yeah I see that now CreekDog Jul 2015 #89

Well obviously it couldn't have been because they were over the top rude. tammywammy Jul 2015 #90

When I asked her for the current FEMA plan so that we could talk about it CreekDog Jul 2015 #97

Unrec. They're all fire hazards and non-native. Headline isn't telling the full story. nt MADem Jul 2015 #101

They're not a "forest", they're an invasive species. Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #109