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karynnj

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62. The agreement is JUST about nuclear weapons - it is Israel and the Republicans bashing it for NOT
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jul 2015

doing everything else.

That is NOT because the administration is not concerned about funding terrorism. As President Obama says, that is a problem - but it would be a worse problem if they aided terrorism AND they had a nuclear bomb.

Imagine the WORST case under the agreement -- and compare it to the REAL alternative. Not Netanyahu's magical "better agreement", but a situation where most countries drop their sanctions. If only the US ramps ours up AND other countries remove theirs, it is a net win for Iran. We have done very little trade with Iran since the 1980s. In addition, no agreement means no monitoring, no reducing their nuclear stockpile to a small portion of what they now have.It also means the interim agreement ends and is replaced by nothing. In addition, after years of negotiations and the US backing away, do you really think that they would immediately agree to new negotiations any time soon?

So, what happens then -- a call to war. THIS ISSUE REALLY IS ABOUT GIVING PEACE A CHANCE.

My point - The alternative is so bad that it seems strange to reject a plan that actually has a reasonable chance of working for 10 years - as even Netanyahu said - before rejecting it because they could get a bomb in 10 years. This from the man with the bomb cartoon saying before the interim agreement that they would have a bomb in 3 months. ( Speaking of which - given that - why not thank the negotiators for not just keeping them from the bomb they would have had more than a year ago, but having a one year break out?)

As a Jew, I feel a connect to Israel, but as I said to an AIPAC rep speaking at a NJ synagogue I attended 4 years ago, just as I felt I had to speak out when my own country was wrong (Vietnam, Iraq, funding the Contras etc) I could not be a blind follower of another country. Since then, I have seen Israel move more and more to the right. It is a very easy choice for me to support Obama/Kerry over Netanyahu. (In fact, I happily did just that when I got a polling phone call just today. I happily identified as Jewish, strongly favoring Obama and strongly NOT favoring Netanyahu. I've rarely been polled, but I have NEVER been happier to give my responses.)

In fact, the PUBLIC lobbying of our Congress by Israel - after years when we as Jews were told that we should not try to second guess Israel in their policies and elections - is utter chutzpah.

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Hey CTyankee, can you post the video as soon as it becomes available? Gotta see this. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #1
I will find it and post it...not sure it's up yet as the show hasn't finished. CTyankee Jul 2015 #2
What makes him different, in part, is that he doesn't have that Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #5
It's funny but I've known a few rich businessmen and they all sound like him... CTyankee Jul 2015 #6
Sociopath, Type A personalities, all of them. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #15
I think he'll lose interest in this "project" after a while...he just likes the chase... CTyankee Jul 2015 #17
Sales versus Management Roy Rolling Jul 2015 #20
He was born with a golden spoon in his big mouth. snort Jul 2015 #38
It's up and on the morning joe website MBS Jul 2015 #56
Damn, I watched it all the way through! SOS Kerry ... 11 Bravo Jul 2015 #63
What I don't understand about it? kentuck Jul 2015 #3
I think Bibi is just a hard assed conservative who doesn't want anything less than war CTyankee Jul 2015 #4
I agree, CTyankee. nt brer cat Jul 2015 #7
Or more precisely, he wants the USA to fight that war Fritz Walter Jul 2015 #29
Agreed, he's a dinosaur who knows . . . brush Jul 2015 #30
Unfortunately, almost all Israeli politicians including Herzog, Livni and Lapid from the opposition karynnj Jul 2015 #41
netanyahu rules by fear....he got elected on fear of iran....peace is not good for him. spanone Jul 2015 #13
Easy, Netanyahu is a republican like war hawk IHateTheGOP Jul 2015 #23
Excellent question. Why all the fear rhetoric? Emerging fascist states require fear to cement the deal. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #27
It's not just the nuke question leftynyc Jul 2015 #32
Like everything, you have to weigh the negatives and the positives and do your CTyankee Jul 2015 #39
I'm agnostic about the agreement leftynyc Jul 2015 #40
what would you prefer we do? CTyankee Jul 2015 #42
I would have put leftynyc Jul 2015 #47
my guess is that, like the hostage situation, there were all kinds of barriers put around CTyankee Jul 2015 #50
Agree leftynyc Jul 2015 #52
I don't think the Iranians much care about PR value...they'd be giving up something CTyankee Jul 2015 #53
Do they really feel we would leftynyc Jul 2015 #54
that seemed to be what kerry was saying: no alternative this or go to war.... CTyankee Jul 2015 #57
Did you even bother to listen to Kerry? karynnj Jul 2015 #64
Spare me the condensation as leftynyc Jul 2015 #65
The agreement is JUST about nuclear weapons - it is Israel and the Republicans bashing it for NOT karynnj Jul 2015 #62
like Bush/Cheney, it's because his issue was never really WMD karynnj Jul 2015 #35
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #61
Because if Iran behaves, then the world will begin to look at Israel's nukes and civil rights kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #46
Until Iran give up their leftynyc Jul 2015 #48
Edited out: mistaken comment about Ramadan. Sorry. merrily Jul 2015 #8
Actually, I think it ends tonight - but that would also affect the timing hatrack Jul 2015 #14
Ok merrily Jul 2015 #18
Lasts a month. This year it started on the 18th of June truebluegreen Jul 2015 #21
I must have misunderstood my friend. I thought he said it started yesterday. Guess he merrily Jul 2015 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author CTyankee Jul 2015 #9
Hope someone is merciful libodem Jul 2015 #10
I finally snagged it after a frustrating time to get it... CTyankee Jul 2015 #11
Hugs and kisses libodem Jul 2015 #12
I always have problems with that website...but today I think it was that I tried to soon CTyankee Jul 2015 #16
Just finished watching it libodem Jul 2015 #22
Just watched it. Level-headed, well-reasoned, convincing...what a great SoS. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #44
Thanks excellent interview..... Historic NY Jul 2015 #31
Thanks, CTyankee! nt Duval Jul 2015 #33
I Watched True Blue American Jul 2015 #19
The wife sounds like a savvy lady...and Brook Baldwin is a tool. Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #24
Can't stomach Joe and his blonde yes girl. Cosmic Dancer Jul 2015 #26
During dufus W's tenure Iran enriched enough to build 12 bombs. IHateTheGOP Jul 2015 #28
Nothing but 8 years of sabre rattling Zambero Jul 2015 #34
Thanks for sharing. I rarely if ever watch that show anymore. Stellar Jul 2015 #36
Yes he was ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #37
and that's a little embarrassing because the American people don't like the alternative CTyankee Jul 2015 #43
I was watching some republican legislator saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #49
bunch of lazy complainers not worth shit... CTyankee Jul 2015 #51
John Kerry is a statesman who has brought gravitas to State. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #45
+ 100,00 n/t MBS Jul 2015 #55
I've always felt Kerry got a raw deal from the media (among others). snot Jul 2015 #58
Of course he did tabasco Jul 2015 #60
The opponents of this deal are bitter (in defeat) that Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #59
Very heartening to hear, CTyankee.. thank you! Cha Jul 2015 #66
I like John Kerry Shankapotomus Jul 2015 #67
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