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artislife

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42. And because of that

Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:33 PM

Jul 2015

he was tortured. I read how, and even if he was Donald Trump (I am Latina) I would not dismiss it such a manner.

He may be a horrible student, he may have brought being a POW on himself, and he may have wasted his political career not helping other vets and going after that is fine.

But as someone who has faced violence and anger, I will not dismiss his experience. I won't be like those people who said "waterboarding isn't torture" because they didn't see the victims as human.

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The fact is John McCain was second from the bottom in his class [View all] malaise Jul 2015 OP

he was a terrible pilot as well big_dog Jul 2015 #1

Yeah, he crashed four or five planes . . . brush Jul 2015 #54

His plane was not the trigger point. former9thward Jul 2015 #64

I don't know about his intelligence but I don't think he ever really forth an effort Siwsan Jul 2015 #2

from the wayback machine.... big_dog Jul 2015 #6

I agree that based on his military behavior, he is no hero. My issue with what Trump said is Siwsan Jul 2015 #8

What's your military record? Oh and Clinton fan what was his record? doc03 Jul 2015 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Siwsan Jul 2015 #32

Truth will out malaise Jul 2015 #23

sorry folks, mccain actually went to Viet Nam, was shot down, and was a prisoner. Not like bush at still_one Jul 2015 #26

Yes, he did Siwsan Jul 2015 #38

And because of that artislife Jul 2015 #42

Oh, I absolutely don't dismiss the experience Siwsan Jul 2015 #44

Ok...sorry, sometimes I don't register the names on each posts nt artislife Jul 2015 #47

Everybody at the Academy is smart or they wouldn't be there. pnwmom Jul 2015 #3

I suspect McCain is more cunning than smart Siwsan Jul 2015 #10

McCain didn't choose her. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #39

But he accepted her when he didn't have to, he and still defends her. Siwsan Jul 2015 #41

I think he was serious about Lieberman...And didn't have the spine msanthrope Jul 2015 #43

That was the name I was expecting to hear Siwsan Jul 2015 #46

Yes, today, and for decades in the recent past, Naval Academy students are smart. No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #17

Nope, he's not. Adrahil Jul 2015 #4

I agree just because he was second in his class at Annapolis doesn't mean he doc03 Jul 2015 #9

The fact that he went out of his way to get in shit with his family connections in the Navy Monk06 Jul 2015 #40

A few years ago I did a bit of looking up.... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #5

Just look at their lives and you know the difference malaise Jul 2015 #24

What do you call the person who was second from the bottom of their medical school class? MohRokTah Jul 2015 #7

I swear I didn't see your post before I posted the same joke hifiguy Jul 2015 #14

LOL malaise Jul 2015 #25

Yeah it really doesn't matter when you get in the real world treestar Jul 2015 #29

Reminds me of an old joke: hifiguy Jul 2015 #12

He faced bullets and was a POW Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #13

Nowhere in my OP do I mention anything other than his malaise Jul 2015 #28

What's the point? He isn't running for president gwheezie Jul 2015 #15

Eisenhower was towards the bottom at West Point, too... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #16

Well, that certainly 'trumps' Walker! Custer finished last in his class HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #18

Take it from this academy alumnus: cloudbase Jul 2015 #19

I don't think that McCain sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #20

I'm reminded of those folks who... Henryville Jul 2015 #21

This history seems like a clear example of affirmative action for the sons of white folks and of white 'advantage'. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #22

all relative treestar Jul 2015 #27

Did he condemn their attacks on John Kerry? malaise Jul 2015 #31

Yes, he did pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #35

has to do with his being second to the bottom of his class? treestar Jul 2015 #36

pinboy3niner said he did and that's good enough for me malaise Jul 2015 #37

Still looking? Really? onenote Jul 2015 #48

Trump dissed all POWs, not just McCain Beaverhausen Jul 2015 #30

McCain picked Palin and used the word crazies? malaise Jul 2015 #33

Precisely. How was picking Palin not boot-licking the crazies? 2008. Has the entire world got amnesia? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #50

Amazing indeed malaise Jul 2015 #56

Class rank is not necessarily an indicator of how smart someone is onenote Jul 2015 #34

Also a war criminal who admitted his guilt on 60 Minutes. harrose Jul 2015 #45

Was Johnson a war criminal? former9thward Jul 2015 #52

Some big differences: harrose Jul 2015 #60

Naval pilots do not act on their own initiative. former9thward Jul 2015 #61

UNREC brooklynite Jul 2015 #49

Not very smart to pick Palin, that is for sure. Or is "cunning" a better descriptor for that? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #51

Some people here would probably argue that it was't smart for Gore to pick Lieberman... brooklynite Jul 2015 #55

Where did you finish? former9thward Jul 2015 #53

Do you know the definition of a fact malaise Jul 2015 #57

"Bottom of class in the Navy is top at most colleges." Not a likely generalization, but for sure McCain picked Palin. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #62

Bottom of the class at military academies = top of the class at most colleges? No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #63

You are pretty much saying many of us here at DU are stupid. Kaleva Jul 2015 #58

Or our daddy's were not admirals. . B Calm Jul 2015 #59

Is this a defense of that shit stain Trump? 6000eliot Jul 2015 #65