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former9thward

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61. Naval pilots do not act on their own initiative.

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 10:02 AM

Jul 2015

They have assigned targets. During Vietnam military authorities considered civilian deaths collateral damage to the military objectives. It was Johnson who started the military to do "body counts" everyday on the 'enemy'. Everynight on the network news you would hear that we killed so many hundred enemy that day and so many dozen Americans were killed. Hey, we are winning! I never heard McCain "brag" about anything he did in Vietnam. Everything is on the internet. Maybe you can give us youtube links to him "bragging". McCain was one of the people most responsible for the restoration of diplomatic ties with Vietnam. He led the fight for that and made trips back to Vietnam and met his captors who had tortured him.

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The fact is John McCain was second from the bottom in his class [View all] malaise Jul 2015 OP

he was a terrible pilot as well big_dog Jul 2015 #1

Yeah, he crashed four or five planes . . . brush Jul 2015 #54

His plane was not the trigger point. former9thward Jul 2015 #64

I don't know about his intelligence but I don't think he ever really forth an effort Siwsan Jul 2015 #2

from the wayback machine.... big_dog Jul 2015 #6

I agree that based on his military behavior, he is no hero. My issue with what Trump said is Siwsan Jul 2015 #8

What's your military record? Oh and Clinton fan what was his record? doc03 Jul 2015 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Siwsan Jul 2015 #32

Truth will out malaise Jul 2015 #23

sorry folks, mccain actually went to Viet Nam, was shot down, and was a prisoner. Not like bush at still_one Jul 2015 #26

Yes, he did Siwsan Jul 2015 #38

And because of that artislife Jul 2015 #42

Oh, I absolutely don't dismiss the experience Siwsan Jul 2015 #44

Ok...sorry, sometimes I don't register the names on each posts nt artislife Jul 2015 #47

Everybody at the Academy is smart or they wouldn't be there. pnwmom Jul 2015 #3

I suspect McCain is more cunning than smart Siwsan Jul 2015 #10

McCain didn't choose her. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #39

But he accepted her when he didn't have to, he and still defends her. Siwsan Jul 2015 #41

I think he was serious about Lieberman...And didn't have the spine msanthrope Jul 2015 #43

That was the name I was expecting to hear Siwsan Jul 2015 #46

Yes, today, and for decades in the recent past, Naval Academy students are smart. No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #17

Nope, he's not. Adrahil Jul 2015 #4

I agree just because he was second in his class at Annapolis doesn't mean he doc03 Jul 2015 #9

The fact that he went out of his way to get in shit with his family connections in the Navy Monk06 Jul 2015 #40

A few years ago I did a bit of looking up.... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #5

Just look at their lives and you know the difference malaise Jul 2015 #24

What do you call the person who was second from the bottom of their medical school class? MohRokTah Jul 2015 #7

I swear I didn't see your post before I posted the same joke hifiguy Jul 2015 #14

LOL malaise Jul 2015 #25

Yeah it really doesn't matter when you get in the real world treestar Jul 2015 #29

Reminds me of an old joke: hifiguy Jul 2015 #12

He faced bullets and was a POW Bad Thoughts Jul 2015 #13

Nowhere in my OP do I mention anything other than his malaise Jul 2015 #28

What's the point? He isn't running for president gwheezie Jul 2015 #15

Eisenhower was towards the bottom at West Point, too... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #16

Well, that certainly 'trumps' Walker! Custer finished last in his class HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #18

Take it from this academy alumnus: cloudbase Jul 2015 #19

I don't think that McCain sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #20

I'm reminded of those folks who... Henryville Jul 2015 #21

This history seems like a clear example of affirmative action for the sons of white folks and of white 'advantage'. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #22

all relative treestar Jul 2015 #27

Did he condemn their attacks on John Kerry? malaise Jul 2015 #31

Yes, he did pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #35

has to do with his being second to the bottom of his class? treestar Jul 2015 #36

pinboy3niner said he did and that's good enough for me malaise Jul 2015 #37

Still looking? Really? onenote Jul 2015 #48

Trump dissed all POWs, not just McCain Beaverhausen Jul 2015 #30

McCain picked Palin and used the word crazies? malaise Jul 2015 #33

Precisely. How was picking Palin not boot-licking the crazies? 2008. Has the entire world got amnesia? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #50

Amazing indeed malaise Jul 2015 #56

Class rank is not necessarily an indicator of how smart someone is onenote Jul 2015 #34

Also a war criminal who admitted his guilt on 60 Minutes. harrose Jul 2015 #45

Was Johnson a war criminal? former9thward Jul 2015 #52

Some big differences: harrose Jul 2015 #60

Naval pilots do not act on their own initiative. former9thward Jul 2015 #61

UNREC brooklynite Jul 2015 #49

Not very smart to pick Palin, that is for sure. Or is "cunning" a better descriptor for that? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #51

Some people here would probably argue that it was't smart for Gore to pick Lieberman... brooklynite Jul 2015 #55

Where did you finish? former9thward Jul 2015 #53

Do you know the definition of a fact malaise Jul 2015 #57

"Bottom of class in the Navy is top at most colleges." Not a likely generalization, but for sure McCain picked Palin. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #62

Bottom of the class at military academies = top of the class at most colleges? No Vested Interest Jul 2015 #63

You are pretty much saying many of us here at DU are stupid. Kaleva Jul 2015 #58

Or our daddy's were not admirals. . B Calm Jul 2015 #59

Is this a defense of that shit stain Trump? 6000eliot Jul 2015 #65