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40. What do we do with the true believers?

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 01:44 PM

Jul 2015

It's a nice idea to want to try and understand where someone is coming from and why they believe what they do. It's noble to want to steer them into a different direction. But what happens when they refuse? What happens when they are all in? When they believe that all non-Muslims must be killed. When they believe that black people are the enemy. When they believe liberals are the enemy. How do we handle these cases?

I agree with you that it's not a fully free society. As I see it, it's a choice between two evils, and we have to try and choose the lesser evil. We can either detain people who subscribe to a violent, loathsome ideology, or we can risk that they will act upon that ideology and perhaps kill innocent people. I would say it's the lesser evil to detain the people who think it's ok to kill innocent people.

This is the grim choice that we are facing and it's not an easy one. It's not one that we should take lightly. It is in some ways criminalizing belief. But what do we do when innocent life is at risk?

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Gen. Wesley Clark: Let's Throw Radical Muslims Into Internment Camps [View all] DonViejo Jul 2015 OP

I thought the general was sane. antiquie Jul 2015 #1

He IS sane, and he did NOT say what the headline says. elleng Jul 2015 #4

I did watch. antiquie Jul 2015 #9

I think you might have. elleng Jul 2015 #13

Truly disgusting. Can we throw lone wolf white people in there too? n/t Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #2

Not what he said. elleng Jul 2015 #5

That is NOT what he said. Please change the headline, DonViejo. elleng Jul 2015 #3

No. I used the published headline from the web site responsible for publishing the DonViejo Jul 2015 #6

As this is not LBN, it is not necessary to use the published headline here at DU. elleng Jul 2015 #8

yes this came through my facebook newsfeed with the same headline earlier! nt m-lekktor Jul 2015 #25

KICKING THIS. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #32

That IS what he said. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #11

Correct. He said it. closeupready Jul 2015 #23

What exactly did he say? I am not able to listen to audio on this computer... madinmaryland Jul 2015 #47

He didn't suggest internment camps at all, mad, elleng Jul 2015 #48

This is what really scares me about this comment... madinmaryland Jul 2015 #49

Man oh man libodem Jul 2015 #7

He didn't say it, but OP insists on using misleading headline. elleng Jul 2015 #10

Yes he did, starting at 59 seconds. closeupready Jul 2015 #22

I did libodem Jul 2015 #29

Good plan, Herr General! HassleCat Jul 2015 #12

Maybe that is what you would like to do, HassleCat, elleng Jul 2015 #14

Ok, then HassleCat Jul 2015 #16

Thanks elleng Jul 2015 #19

Listen at 59 seconds. He says it. closeupready Jul 2015 #20

What a disappointment. Words fail me. closeupready Jul 2015 #15

Please listen carefully to what he said, closeupready. elleng Jul 2015 #24

I know you from here, elleng, and I respect you. closeupready Jul 2015 #31

Serious question sub.theory Jul 2015 #36

Do you realize what the term 'free society' means? closeupready Jul 2015 #38

What do we do with the true believers? sub.theory Jul 2015 #40

You subscribe to a solution in search of a problem. closeupready Jul 2015 #41

Aw, why not? We all ready have pre-emptive war. snappyturtle Jul 2015 #45

I'd think Clark would know history better than that. hughee99 Jul 2015 #17

He KNOWS history, elleng Jul 2015 #26

He said it. Watch video beginning at 0:59 seconds. closeupready Jul 2015 #18

He was also talking about white and Christian terrorists in America, the Dylan Roof types: Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #21

Yes, Fred Sanders, and it worked, elleng Jul 2015 #27

How does he propose to identify lone wolf radical Muslims? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #28

He doesn't suggest how such might be done. elleng Jul 2015 #30

Don't think so - he is extremely smart, but he has often had a problem filtering his ideas before karynnj Jul 2015 #34

The title of the TPM article is misleading This is not what he is saying. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #33

I agree it's a bad idea but once they identify potentially violent radicals redstateblues Jul 2015 #35

I don't know. Right now identifying them and arresting them seems like the most viable option. Raine1967 Jul 2015 #37

Oh, I see Glitterati Jul 2015 #43

Do you really believe that I just said what you think I said when Raine1967 Jul 2015 #44

If they have broken a law, arrest them. ladyVet Jul 2015 #58

Thanks for doing the research, Raine, elleng Jul 2015 #42

Like that would ever happen here. Octafish Jul 2015 #39

I observe that nobody who claims Clark's DIDN'T say what he's accused of saying... brooklynite Jul 2015 #46

He's saying that radicalized young men who do not support our country but who aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #50

Radical Christians have the same views about the same people. ladyVet Jul 2015 #59

Radical Christians aren't killing thousands and thousands of people throughout the world aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #61

"Let's Throw Radical Muslims Into Internment Camps"?! Who said that? Sparkly Jul 2015 #51

"segregate them from the rest of the community" Android3.14 Jul 2015 #52

Thank you for posting. I knew something just wasn't right with Wesley considering his actions Purveyor Jul 2015 #53

No suprise Reter Jul 2015 #54

kick. Ilsa Jul 2015 #55

Isn't that what we were supposed to be doing with GITMO? Erose999 Jul 2015 #56

Yikes. marmar Jul 2015 #57

And there were people on this board in 2004, Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #60

They are in this very thread! Rex Jul 2015 #62

Operation Pastorius aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #63