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Travis_0004

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56. Generally, yes

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:02 PM

Jul 2015

In Arizona v. Johnson

During a valid traffic stop a law enfocement officer can frisk a person for weapons if they have a reasonable suspicion they could be a danger to
the court stated that once a law enforcement officer has conducted a valid traffic stop, the officer is justified in conducting a frisk of the person for weapons if the officer reasonably suspects that the person may be dangerous.

Two quotes from that decision
once a motor vehicle has been lawfully detained for a traffic violation, the police officers may order the driver to get out of the vehicle without violating the Fourth Amendment’s proscription of unreasonable searches and seizures.” 434 U.S., at 111, n. 6.

Wilson held that the Mimms rule applied to passengers as well as to drivers. Specifically, the Court instructed that “an officer making a traffic stop may order passengers to get out of the car pending completion of the stop.” 519 U.S. at

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Sandra Bland dash cam video just released. [View all] lamp_shade Jul 2015 OP

So she wanted to make a phone call and an hour later was found dead. Rex Jul 2015 #1

"I will light you up" JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #2

When was that said? Chemisse Jul 2015 #6

There's another video of the full event, 52min further down in the page uponit7771 Jul 2015 #58

Fucking racist fucking pig. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #3

Wasn't a lane change. Downwinder Jul 2015 #11

She says she changed lanes to get out of his way. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #28

At least thirty cars made lane changes Downwinder Jul 2015 #32

More reason for her to be scared, which is how she sounded to me uponit7771 Jul 2015 #36

I thought she had a lot spunk treestar Jul 2015 #48

My point is only that you asserted she did not change lanes, Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #38

Agree with you Ms Toad. She clearly changes lanes and admits it riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #44

I was just going by the hash marks. They don't Downwinder Jul 2015 #46

Yes and that's why she's irritated, she clearly states. riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #40

She failed to signal when she entered the road from the parking lot. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #61

He's the one who escalated this!! What bullshit! riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #4

EXACTLY!!! This is the common theme with these people, escalate then kill a black person !!! uponit7771 Jul 2015 #14

She was already cuffed. Downwinder Jul 2015 #15

Good catch ... and the cop seemed to be out of control hollering and shit. uponit7771 Jul 2015 #16

This video really alters my thoughts about this case. Chemisse Jul 2015 #5

Per a US Supreme Court decision a police officer can order you out of your car at a traffic stop. n/ PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #7

with no probable cause to do such?! ... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #12

"officer safety". The passenger as well... PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #17

Big chunks of this story still missing and the cop being near irate doesn't fit the narrative that.. uponit7771 Jul 2015 #22

...wonder why that didn't apply to the car before Bland? Seems like she didn't put out the square uponit7771 Jul 2015 #64

They don't need it Glassunion Jul 2015 #21

Understood, they can ask but opening the door after asking? Also, why was she under arrest after... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #24

Psssssst. Glassunion Jul 2015 #29

Yes, she was asking what she was arrested for treestar Jul 2015 #45

Afraid not. Glassunion Jul 2015 #59

They have to press charges at some point treestar Jul 2015 #92

Yes, they do have to press charges or let you go at some point. Glassunion Jul 2015 #94

ok thanks treestar Jul 2015 #96

From what I read, she was charged with assault. Glassunion Jul 2015 #98

Generally, yes Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #56

Hopefully the average person knows that treestar Jul 2015 #93

jesus! ibegurpard Jul 2015 #8

There has to be probable cause to ask her to get out of the car and BLM is not only about not killin uponit7771 Jul 2015 #9

No probable cause is necessary to order a driver or passenger out of a car at a traffic stop... PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #19

... understood, why the escalation on his part.. that's been the question from the beginning... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #20

Why the escalation? Glassunion Jul 2015 #27

+1,... so she didn't put out a fuckin cigarette and another Blart Cop gets irate. Still what was the uponit7771 Jul 2015 #30

They said that she kicked one of them. Glassunion Jul 2015 #33

I know right? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #39

Are you serious?? Nt B2G Jul 2015 #47

Your meter may be broken if you think I am. Glassunion Jul 2015 #49

Thank you Jesus. Lol. Nt B2G Jul 2015 #52

Didn't he need to read her Miiranda rights to her? Does he? What about ALBliberal Jul 2015 #77

At some point here rights would need to be read Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #87

White cops pull these power trips on white people also oberliner Jul 2015 #105

"She is oddly irate right from the start. That seems like strange behavior to me, considering how Brickbat Jul 2015 #13

I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are in... luvspeas Jul 2015 #34

Really? Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #37

wow... so she pulled over to help him out and he pulls her over... wow... jus and now she dead... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #41

Imagination, much? Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #51

I agree 100% with you, my wow is a cali wow... I agree, she was NOT irate and things only got ... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #62

The difference in the two interactions was striking. Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #71

I said irate from the beginning Chemisse Jul 2015 #67

She was pretty calm about the cig too, she calmly said no... then he wanted her out of the car... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #68

Thanks for the clarification! Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #69

Irate from the start? Um, no. ecstatic Jul 2015 #76

I would surmise that merely being involved in Black Lives Matter would preclude being cheerful. Stardust Jul 2015 #78

She seems perfectly reasonable at the start to me fishwax Jul 2015 #85

The beginning of the video is STILL not shown!! What was his cause for opening her door and wanting uponit7771 Jul 2015 #10

I saw it riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #23

Yeap, my opinion too... why escalate?! Why was she handcuffed?! That would make me afraid too !! uponit7771 Jul 2015 #25

You really need to see the video in its entirety riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #26

Arrested for being rude? tia.... do you have a link to the whole vid? thx uponit7771 Jul 2015 #31

I watched it in the link in the OP nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #35

She seems quite under control, until he tells her to put out the cigarette. Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #43

You chose the word "annoyed" which I'm also perfectly fine with riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #50

No it is actually before the U-turn. She turns from the parking lot without a signal onto the road Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #60

Thanks. That's certainly more accurate nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #65

No. Watch it again. He specifically says he pulled her over for no signal at the "lane change" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #73

I'm a high school teacher and one important way to manage an irate student Chemisse Jul 2015 #70

Now lets see the video from the City Police dash cam. Downwinder Jul 2015 #18

He does not like when he is not obeyed immediately treestar Jul 2015 #42

That's a good point. She says it several times - can't wait for court. riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #53

"I'm going to drag you out of here. Get out of the car! I will light you up, get out!" uponit7771 Jul 2015 #54

I read somewhere that she was epileptic. NOLALady Jul 2015 #55

Sounds like she suffered a brain injury and died days later after her brain swell up. I don't beleiv uponit7771 Jul 2015 #57

An epileptic posted NOLALady Jul 2015 #66

In the other video you hear her yelling she has epilepsy Catherine Vincent Jul 2015 #72

Lynching by cop. JEB Jul 2015 #63

There are reports that NOLALady Jul 2015 #74

I haven't seen a cop use a turn signal for 45 years olddots Jul 2015 #75

I've spoken here about people taking a simple offense and making it worse Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #79

What crap. Don't apologize for the trooper. He was an ass. elias49 Jul 2015 #80

You know when you have no ground when you make a strawman Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #81

Arguing with a cop and being "difficult" are not capital crimes. Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #83

Of course not Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #84

Well were she not currently dead under extremely questionable circumstances Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #95

I disagree with politely and professionally JonLP24 Jul 2015 #89

The cigarette part was perfectly legitimate Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #90

He could have easily gave it to her and been on her way JonLP24 Jul 2015 #91

I thought he could have taken the chance to explain to her why treestar Jul 2015 #97

Hell, he was only giving her a warning Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #104

You're wrong, says USSC. beevul Jul 2015 #100

Nope Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #103

Sandra Bland Death: Texas to Look Into Alleged Edits of Dashcam Video Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #82

he actually gets out of the tow truck three times. 1st around 25:05, and then again fishwax Jul 2015 #86

"I will light you up!" JonLP24 Jul 2015 #88

Fascist criminal cop is responsible for this entire tragedy tabasco Jul 2015 #99

Everyone who says disobeying a lawful order makes it her fault makes me sick CBGLuthier Jul 2015 #101

This ^^^ lamp_shade Jul 2015 #102

Thank you, CBGLuthier!!! Peace Patriot Jul 2015 #106