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Chemisse

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70. I'm a high school teacher and one important way to manage an irate student

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 09:42 PM

Jul 2015

Is to let the student have some room to back out of the situation gracefully. For example, in a situation like this (even though I don't understand why she had to put out the cigarette, frankly), I would break the tension with a conciliatory comment that shows I understand where that kid's feelings are coming from, then approach giving the directive in a softer tone, perhaps with more than one option on how to comply with it. The student can then cooperate without a loss of dignity. If I couldn't do that, my students would be in trouble a lot, and I would be considered a bad teacher for not handling discipline in the classroom.

Cops never have to learn how to de-escalate; if things escalate, they arrest, taze, shoot. They WILL have control. Nobody gets upset with them if they arrest rather than solve problems in a low-key manner. There is no motive to learn how to work with people cooperatively. I don't think they have those skills and I don't think they want them, generally speaking. Did you notice he pulled a gun on her to get her out of the car? Not good people skills!

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Sandra Bland dash cam video just released. [View all] lamp_shade Jul 2015 OP

So she wanted to make a phone call and an hour later was found dead. Rex Jul 2015 #1

"I will light you up" JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #2

When was that said? Chemisse Jul 2015 #6

There's another video of the full event, 52min further down in the page uponit7771 Jul 2015 #58

Fucking racist fucking pig. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #3

Wasn't a lane change. Downwinder Jul 2015 #11

She says she changed lanes to get out of his way. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #28

At least thirty cars made lane changes Downwinder Jul 2015 #32

More reason for her to be scared, which is how she sounded to me uponit7771 Jul 2015 #36

I thought she had a lot spunk treestar Jul 2015 #48

My point is only that you asserted she did not change lanes, Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #38

Agree with you Ms Toad. She clearly changes lanes and admits it riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #44

I was just going by the hash marks. They don't Downwinder Jul 2015 #46

Yes and that's why she's irritated, she clearly states. riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #40

She failed to signal when she entered the road from the parking lot. Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #61

He's the one who escalated this!! What bullshit! riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #4

EXACTLY!!! This is the common theme with these people, escalate then kill a black person !!! uponit7771 Jul 2015 #14

She was already cuffed. Downwinder Jul 2015 #15

Good catch ... and the cop seemed to be out of control hollering and shit. uponit7771 Jul 2015 #16

This video really alters my thoughts about this case. Chemisse Jul 2015 #5

Per a US Supreme Court decision a police officer can order you out of your car at a traffic stop. n/ PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #7

with no probable cause to do such?! ... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #12

"officer safety". The passenger as well... PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #17

Big chunks of this story still missing and the cop being near irate doesn't fit the narrative that.. uponit7771 Jul 2015 #22

...wonder why that didn't apply to the car before Bland? Seems like she didn't put out the square uponit7771 Jul 2015 #64

They don't need it Glassunion Jul 2015 #21

Understood, they can ask but opening the door after asking? Also, why was she under arrest after... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #24

Psssssst. Glassunion Jul 2015 #29

Yes, she was asking what she was arrested for treestar Jul 2015 #45

Afraid not. Glassunion Jul 2015 #59

They have to press charges at some point treestar Jul 2015 #92

Yes, they do have to press charges or let you go at some point. Glassunion Jul 2015 #94

ok thanks treestar Jul 2015 #96

From what I read, she was charged with assault. Glassunion Jul 2015 #98

Generally, yes Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #56

Hopefully the average person knows that treestar Jul 2015 #93

jesus! ibegurpard Jul 2015 #8

There has to be probable cause to ask her to get out of the car and BLM is not only about not killin uponit7771 Jul 2015 #9

No probable cause is necessary to order a driver or passenger out of a car at a traffic stop... PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #19

... understood, why the escalation on his part.. that's been the question from the beginning... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #20

Why the escalation? Glassunion Jul 2015 #27

+1,... so she didn't put out a fuckin cigarette and another Blart Cop gets irate. Still what was the uponit7771 Jul 2015 #30

They said that she kicked one of them. Glassunion Jul 2015 #33

I know right? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #39

Are you serious?? Nt B2G Jul 2015 #47

Your meter may be broken if you think I am. Glassunion Jul 2015 #49

Thank you Jesus. Lol. Nt B2G Jul 2015 #52

Didn't he need to read her Miiranda rights to her? Does he? What about ALBliberal Jul 2015 #77

At some point here rights would need to be read Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #87

White cops pull these power trips on white people also oberliner Jul 2015 #105

"She is oddly irate right from the start. That seems like strange behavior to me, considering how Brickbat Jul 2015 #13

I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are in... luvspeas Jul 2015 #34

Really? Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #37

wow... so she pulled over to help him out and he pulls her over... wow... jus and now she dead... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #41

Imagination, much? Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #51

I agree 100% with you, my wow is a cali wow... I agree, she was NOT irate and things only got ... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #62

The difference in the two interactions was striking. Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #71

I said irate from the beginning Chemisse Jul 2015 #67

She was pretty calm about the cig too, she calmly said no... then he wanted her out of the car... uponit7771 Jul 2015 #68

Thanks for the clarification! Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #69

Irate from the start? Um, no. ecstatic Jul 2015 #76

I would surmise that merely being involved in Black Lives Matter would preclude being cheerful. Stardust Jul 2015 #78

She seems perfectly reasonable at the start to me fishwax Jul 2015 #85

The beginning of the video is STILL not shown!! What was his cause for opening her door and wanting uponit7771 Jul 2015 #10

I saw it riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #23

Yeap, my opinion too... why escalate?! Why was she handcuffed?! That would make me afraid too !! uponit7771 Jul 2015 #25

You really need to see the video in its entirety riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #26

Arrested for being rude? tia.... do you have a link to the whole vid? thx uponit7771 Jul 2015 #31

I watched it in the link in the OP nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #35

She seems quite under control, until he tells her to put out the cigarette. Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #43

You chose the word "annoyed" which I'm also perfectly fine with riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #50

No it is actually before the U-turn. She turns from the parking lot without a signal onto the road Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #60

Thanks. That's certainly more accurate nt riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #65

No. Watch it again. He specifically says he pulled her over for no signal at the "lane change" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #73

I'm a high school teacher and one important way to manage an irate student Chemisse Jul 2015 #70

Now lets see the video from the City Police dash cam. Downwinder Jul 2015 #18

He does not like when he is not obeyed immediately treestar Jul 2015 #42

That's a good point. She says it several times - can't wait for court. riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #53

"I'm going to drag you out of here. Get out of the car! I will light you up, get out!" uponit7771 Jul 2015 #54

I read somewhere that she was epileptic. NOLALady Jul 2015 #55

Sounds like she suffered a brain injury and died days later after her brain swell up. I don't beleiv uponit7771 Jul 2015 #57

An epileptic posted NOLALady Jul 2015 #66

In the other video you hear her yelling she has epilepsy Catherine Vincent Jul 2015 #72

Lynching by cop. JEB Jul 2015 #63

There are reports that NOLALady Jul 2015 #74

I haven't seen a cop use a turn signal for 45 years olddots Jul 2015 #75

I've spoken here about people taking a simple offense and making it worse Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #79

What crap. Don't apologize for the trooper. He was an ass. elias49 Jul 2015 #80

You know when you have no ground when you make a strawman Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #81

Arguing with a cop and being "difficult" are not capital crimes. Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #83

Of course not Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #84

Well were she not currently dead under extremely questionable circumstances Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #95

I disagree with politely and professionally JonLP24 Jul 2015 #89

The cigarette part was perfectly legitimate Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #90

He could have easily gave it to her and been on her way JonLP24 Jul 2015 #91

I thought he could have taken the chance to explain to her why treestar Jul 2015 #97

Hell, he was only giving her a warning Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #104

You're wrong, says USSC. beevul Jul 2015 #100

Nope Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #103

Sandra Bland Death: Texas to Look Into Alleged Edits of Dashcam Video Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #82

he actually gets out of the tow truck three times. 1st around 25:05, and then again fishwax Jul 2015 #86

"I will light you up!" JonLP24 Jul 2015 #88

Fascist criminal cop is responsible for this entire tragedy tabasco Jul 2015 #99

Everyone who says disobeying a lawful order makes it her fault makes me sick CBGLuthier Jul 2015 #101

This ^^^ lamp_shade Jul 2015 #102

Thank you, CBGLuthier!!! Peace Patriot Jul 2015 #106