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382. Language evolves whether you like it or not

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:49 PM

Jul 2015

it is not about being valid or not. It is how society uses language, and this one is changing in front of your very eyes. It does not happen often... nor this fast.

Given this particular original word gave you both the roots to the kamasutra (KAMA= desire) and this, why are you surprised? By the way, the ties to prostitution go to Rome. Linguists believe the first break into two major roots happened about 7,000 years ago.

Some of the roots give you the words for beloved in Old Irish.

You might want to explore the origin of language... it can be fascinating.

Regardless, this is a semantic shift that does not preclude other definitions or uses. It adds to it, and I expect these new uses to become increasingly common, and they are actually gender neutral... and take some of the ties to actual, honest to goodness prostitution, off it.

Will it become the primary supra definition of the term? Time will tell. I suspect it might, since American political language is getting more and more coarse due to hyper partisanship. DU has a small part in this coarsening of language by the way, since it is a partisan site.

Now you try to get rid of a word who's origins go back 15,000 years. I not just dare you, I triple dare you.

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On the evolution of language and the "W" word [View all] nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 OP

You shouldn't say it, and you know it. shenmue Jul 2015 #1

You do go and tell Gawker and NOW to stop using it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #2

Gawker is the new standard? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #10

Gawker and Urban Dictionary, apparently. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #15

I hope you are not too shocked when you see it in LA Times, NYT nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #16

so, if someone calls Elizabeth Warren a "stupid whore' we should shrug our shoulders geek tragedy Jul 2015 #18

I expect it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #21

do a google image search for the word. tell us how women are depicted in the results geek tragedy Jul 2015 #25

Words and their ussage do not evolve at the same speed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #29

"Words and their ussage do not evolve at the same speed" geek tragedy Jul 2015 #33

Yes, but that is not the context of usage nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #36

getting a new meaning doesn't mean it loses the old one. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #37

And exactly where did I say that? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #41

sure, new meaning doesn't mean primary or mainstream meaning, or that the new geek tragedy Jul 2015 #47

I would not bet on that nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #53

do you not understand the difference between reporting on the use of a word geek tragedy Jul 2015 #59

I understand it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #62

It means that words stay the same skepticscott Jul 2015 #165

a "stupid whore" would be the wrong usage, the one that should be avoided. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #140

But the two words would be descriptive per current usage. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #143

well, apparently at DU it's okay to call Hillary a straight up "whore" so that nuance geek tragedy Jul 2015 #144

Perhaps this is too hard to understand nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #148

The Vagina Monologues? That stuff maybe was cutting edge geek tragedy Jul 2015 #149

And it is still used nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #150

"Both" is a possibility, too, I think! MADem Jul 2015 #160

I prefer some riff on "corporate bootlicker" myself. hifiguy Jul 2015 #335

There are a few other terms used nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #343

I actually left DU a couple of years ago because I was so sick of the word policing hifiguy Jul 2015 #347

I left a year ago over overt antisemitism nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #349

Glad you came back to tell us how much you hate it at this "cesspool" as you called it. zappaman Jul 2015 #359

Thanks for the watch check nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #360

To Hell with watch checks, did you get your calendar fixed? Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #363

I find your keeping tabs on my posts nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #365

Mine too! zappaman Jul 2015 #370

Good I am glad nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #372

Nadine, Ive known a lot of semi-retired prostitutes, and a few politicians reddread Jul 2015 #380

Some pitty nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #381

Your point is you are trying to defend something that can't be defended William769 Jul 2015 #13

William this might be shocking to you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #17

Nothing you say is shocking. It's other things, but not shocking. William769 Jul 2015 #19

Whatever dude nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #23

Adding a new use of a word doesn't cancel out the age-old OLD use. George II Jul 2015 #107

You mean like the other Indo European root, for the word KAMA nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #125

True - but in the context and wording of that sentence from Saturday.... George II Jul 2015 #129

I suspect that the term with the word political attached to it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #131

Actually, "whoring" oneself to the highest bidder is an old use Warpy Jul 2015 #374

If I don't miss my cue it goes back to Shakespeare nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #375

One could make the case that sexist and racist words "internalize" rather than "evolve." ancianita Jul 2015 #185

Actually with the word Nigger, used these days by rappers regularly nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #186

And 'Yes.' ancianita Jul 2015 #195

My god, do you even know a thing about the origin of the word? Serious nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #196

I like the word. I love etymology. I'm an anti-censorship English teacher. Here, given the site's ancianita Jul 2015 #197

Then you are surredenring to the few folks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #198

I get that and am here to tell you I've never been one of that group. I don't support them, even ancianita Jul 2015 #199

Well I think it is time to push back on that group nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #200

I don't check that group, usually, so thanks for sharing. ancianita Jul 2015 #204

Neither do I, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #205

Then you might like this site, kentauros Jul 2015 #525

One of my favorite sites nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #533

Nice! Thanks! ancianita Jul 2015 #535

Jury results...... nc4bo Jul 2015 #201

Thanks not surprised it was alerted nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #203

actually I have known some old people using it too hfojvt Jul 2015 #385

You know that is a nice distinction of the language nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #388

or I'll smack your hands with a ruler! snooper2 Jul 2015 #55

Concur with nadin. nt edgineered Jul 2015 #3

Jury was unanimous tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #4

Thanks I expected this to be alerted nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #5

Oh of course, you can always count on a word jumper Warpy Jul 2015 #178

Well especially since I am speaking of language evolution nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #180

By the way, here is the definition nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #182

Doesn't the word just mean a willingness to do anything for money? craigmatic Jul 2015 #6

Yes, and the finer point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #7

Then why are people mad at the word? In the 2 most recent cases where I've seen it used it was craigmatic Jul 2015 #8

Because of the sexual context in nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #12

It's a college thing Warpy Jul 2015 #206

I took women's studies in college nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #364

Then there are the HOR submarine engines of WW II... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #269

See I learn something every day nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #367

Silent Victory, a book by Clay Blair, gives an account of the HOR engines... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #450

It likely did nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #452

Here a link to a book on this nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #371

Enjoyed the read! Thanks. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #462

You welcome nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #463

How is using a word meaning "selling oneself for money" to describe "selling oneself for money" NuclearDem Jul 2015 #9

It's semantic shift. Igel Jul 2015 #96

7-0 edbermac Jul 2015 #11

Sadly I expected the alert. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #14

Even more sadly, I expected the results. misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #27

Given that I am talking of language and how it evolves nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #30

"Word Evolution". Haa. Yup that's about how Fox News would misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #136

I guess it is time to treat you like a child nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #137

The thread shouldn't have been hidden, but... Adrahil Jul 2015 #20

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #24

Yeah, apparently not. Silly me. nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #72

And I suppose men too nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #34

The word can be applied to men, but... Adrahil Jul 2015 #74

Ergo why it is losing it's magic nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #80

Except is HASN'T lost it's power. Adrahil Jul 2015 #117

I guess we are still stuck in the original term used nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #120

It's more complicated than that. Igel Jul 2015 #113

And this is why I love me some DU nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #116

If enough people say it is offensive, then there should be no problem with not using it. randome Jul 2015 #22

This word has gone from OH MY GOD, to I hear it often nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #26

No. You should be polite and make your points intelligently. No one said you need to scold anyone. randome Jul 2015 #35

So reality is a strawman nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #39

"You guys" was not me. randome Jul 2015 #44

I love it when folks get personal nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #49

Now there's a strawman if I ever saw one. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #57

Here comes more nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #60

Bravo! MADem Jul 2015 #45

Another we cannot discuss langauge evolution nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #50

Maybe you missed the conversations. We've discussed it. It's a bonehead move to call a woman a MADem Jul 2015 #64

Call me back when you guys don't use this langauge with Republicans nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #66

What is this YOU GUYS shit? I don't know those people!! MADem Jul 2015 #69

Pointing out the hypocrisy nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #73

No you aren't--your goal was to make the casual skimmer think that I wrote that shit, MADem Jul 2015 #93

I am playing no games nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #100

No--I am telling it like it is. nt MADem Jul 2015 #163

Keep playing... because that is what you are doing nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #168

No, what's personal here is your conduct. MADem Jul 2015 #211

Mild personal attack nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #246

You continue to demonstrate that you're unclear on the meaning of the term. nt MADem Jul 2015 #265

Now a version of you are ignorant nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #298

Now you're trying to put words in my mouth--how disruptive! MADem Jul 2015 #300

Keep digging. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #301

What's "not civil" is making a case for the W word used towards women MADem Jul 2015 #302

So noting that the political press is using nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #304

Yes it is. This isn't a discussion, though. There's only one non-misogynist view on this topic MADem Jul 2015 #306

That is a strange definition nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #307

No, it's not. Calling women whores is wrong. And I have no desire to "amuse" YOU. nt MADem Jul 2015 #308

You insist on not trying to have a conversation nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #309

I am not insisting on anything. Calling women whores IS wrong. No "insisting" needed. MADem Jul 2015 #311

I am talking of a change nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #312

Yes. And I'm the King of England. nt MADem Jul 2015 #313

Nice way to deflect from the discussion nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #315

I am not interested in your literature recommendations. Why would I be? MADem Jul 2015 #325

Ah, you have no interest as to why for the normalization nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #326

I don't hate the language, but I have no respect for those who play cutesy games with it. MADem Jul 2015 #328

Jesus age, you still cannot understand that I am not ok with it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #330

Yeah, that's why you wrote an OP on it. And you've written hundreds of posts to keep your little MADem Jul 2015 #391

You mean an OP that deals with the fact that WOMEN nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #392

You are excusing/normalizing the use of the word. MADem Jul 2015 #393

Recognizing when things are happening nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #394

No. You are excusing/normalizing use of the word. Fail. MADem Jul 2015 #395

Hmm like CNN nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #396

You aren't the NYT or CNN. You are an anonymous poster on the internet writing bad words for shock MADem Jul 2015 #397

You mean the fact that the stories ran nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #398

It's not "sweet crow" when you rudely refuse to provide the links in the first place. MADem Jul 2015 #402

They are there nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #404

Your links are saying the WORD IS BAD. Your thesis is not that. You argued "evolution" --these MADem Jul 2015 #408

Now progress nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #410

No "progress." You had to delete your ugly, hateful post where you actually figured MADem Jul 2015 #412

Please do point out where I have said it is cool nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #417

That's the thesis of your thread. MADem Jul 2015 #418

Sadly it is not nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #425

That jumble of words just doesn't make any sense at all. MADem Jul 2015 #426

Ah yes, another pushing of buttons attempt and nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #433

You are pushing your own buttons, by repeatedly asking the same question, over and over and over MADem Jul 2015 #440

I did not realize classic british commedy was a nasty video nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #442

And THAT's why you quickly deleted it and offered a halfassed apology wrapped in insults. Yep! MADem Jul 2015 #470

You felt a classic John Cleese tape nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #472

Awww, look at YOU! You called me a LOONY with a bit of "classic comedy" and now--after you MADem Jul 2015 #474

Nah did not call you a loonie, but told you would be able to find the word easily, analogy nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #476

You called me a loony. That's why you deleted the video. MADem Jul 2015 #483

I did apologize nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #485

Tammy told you all about your "apology." MADem Jul 2015 #487

That is her interpretation, she is free to it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #488

No one is trying to "read your mind." Paranoid, much? She summarized your very words. MADem Jul 2015 #495

When you tell me I did not apologize when I did nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #497

Anyone can read your words, you know--unless you want to delete THAT post, too! MADem Jul 2015 #507

And people can read your constant nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #508

Only they aren't "personal attacks." But there you go, "mischaracterizing" yet again. MADem Jul 2015 #509

So a tape was considered offensive by you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #510

! Kali Jul 2015 #511

Ain't it, just! MADem Jul 2015 #513

I know you cannot recognize it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #516

I recognize "it" just fine. MADem Jul 2015 #517

Well I truly feel sorry for you at this point nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #518

Isn't that special. MADem Jul 2015 #519

Yup it is nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #521

Ah, more insults! Fix yourself before you give advice, there! MADem Jul 2015 #522

If you feel that is an insult nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #524

No. MADem Jul 2015 #530

Was Sgt Jay Polk there? zappaman Jul 2015 #526

Adorable nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #527

Especially when it comes with a lecture about how to use language zappaman Jul 2015 #514

I am sorry you feel that is a lecture, but trust me, that is your issue nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #523

I am sorry this is funny to you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #520

Yes, you should use google to figure out what Monty Python is! zappaman Jul 2015 #444

Nope, it is a fact nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #445

Since you like language... zappaman Jul 2015 #446

recomendation nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #448

At least spell it right if you are going to lecture. zappaman Jul 2015 #449

ah predictable nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #453

No, what's predictable is you lecturing on language and zappaman Jul 2015 #456

How cute nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #458

Adorable even! zappaman Jul 2015 #459

. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #461

Here your normalization nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #414

One more thing, telling people their sourced views nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #399

Below, not bellow. And you are anonymous to me, and you didn't provide links to prove your claims. MADem Jul 2015 #400

Yup, and people are seeing I am calling you out nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #401

You don't apparently know what "bully" means either. You are shopping serious errors of fact. MADem Jul 2015 #403

This message was self-deleted by its author nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #405

Now you're calling me a LOONY for pointing out that you made up that stuff about those MADem Jul 2015 #406

Nope, I am telling you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #407

You called me a loony and that's a direct personal insult. Further, you didn't tell the truth about MADem Jul 2015 #409

And I apologized and removed it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #411

You apologized? More like you realized you stepped way the fuck over the line, as you do. nt MADem Jul 2015 #413

Look if you cannot accept an apology nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #415

Yup. zappaman Jul 2015 #416

This isn't an apology tammywammy Jul 2015 #420

Thank you so much for that succinct deconstruction! You held the mirror up beautifully. nt MADem Jul 2015 #423

Trust me neither of you is Michelle Foucault nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #432

Yesk yes it is nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #430

What exact part of your apology "validates the feelings of others"? tammywammy Jul 2015 #434

Thanks, I expected it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #436

tilt. nt. dionysus Jul 2015 #529

come down from the cross, we could use the wood for something useful. dionysus Jul 2015 #528

This thread. randome Jul 2015 #51

Before the train left the station, too! MADem Jul 2015 #52

The wreck may have started inside the station but it concluded outside Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #172

A for effort. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #176

Well some here have done their best to derail it, that's abundantly clear! nt haikugal Jul 2015 #421

The word you are looking for is "its," no apostrophe. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #40

That is fine with me nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #43

The overloaded meaning of the word "whore" is a FEATURE, not a bug. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #75

Read 76 Joe nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #81

Outrage brigade? Please--you just stuck your foot in it. MADem Jul 2015 #28

It's the same o same o here on DU. William769 Jul 2015 #32

Never seen anything like it here--this is crazytime. MADem Jul 2015 #38

You nailed it! William769 Jul 2015 #42

Yes, outrage brigade nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #54

"You welcome?" Thought you were a writer! MADem Jul 2015 #68

None of you is going ever on ignore nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #70

That's not ME, either. Give it up!!! MADem Jul 2015 #82

If the site is not going to use those words nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #83

You are CALLING OUT individual DUers who are not participating in this thread with those links. MADem Jul 2015 #94

I am pointing out the language has been used nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #101

No--you're naming and shaming DUers who aren't even here to defend themselves. MADem Jul 2015 #158

So now pointing out that these words are liberally used nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #159

You found a few examples from WAAAAAY back in DU2--and you're calling that "liberally used?" MADem Jul 2015 #161

Hillary supporters seemed to find ONE case of a 160-post-count newbie using the word in the OP and AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #164

And I'm sure if Mrs. Sanders were called that vile word from a "160 post count newbie" the MADem Jul 2015 #166

I expect the term to be used with him too nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #169

You'll be the one using it, then--I don't think anyone who doesn't support him as their first choice MADem Jul 2015 #171

Why would I use it? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #174

Because YOU are in the minority here, CHAMPIONING the use of the word. MADem Jul 2015 #210

You should re-read that OP carefully nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #241

Jane Sanders isn't, to my knowledge, a politician. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #170

She wrote MRS... I missed that nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #177

That's because you don't read. MADem Jul 2015 #215

Public Figure != Politician. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #218

If you really do "cringe" at it, then why are you endorsing the use of it in this thread? MADem Jul 2015 #221

Let me stop you right at your bullshit subject line. Nowhere have I "endorsed it". Try again. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #224

It's not bullshit--everyone can read what you've written here--your words endorse--you don't have MADem Jul 2015 #226

I said I would ban. I said I alerted. (I did) If you can't understand that, then yes, let this AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #232

Nice personal attack nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #242

I'm supposed to know your personal history? MADem Jul 2015 #248

Well one starts by not telling people nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #258

When you don't -- clearly -- read the words on the post, that is not an untoward inference to make. MADem Jul 2015 #261

Yet you did it with me. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #262

You are the person affecting a dislike for a word while cheerleading a thesis that takes the MADem Jul 2015 #266

I didn't cheerlead the thesis. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #268

You're running more interference for it than a championship defensive line. MADem Jul 2015 #270

Wow, pro football must be super easy then. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #273

I don't understand why you came to this thread. MADem Jul 2015 #275

Keep at it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #286

Why? You seem to be doing JUST FINE all on your own. nt MADem Jul 2015 #287

You are doing just fine nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #290

Too bad you can't rec your own thread more than once, eh? MADem Jul 2015 #292

Do proceed nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #294

Go ahead and alert on it--I am simply pointing out that you rec your own thread-- MADem Jul 2015 #295

Please continue nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #297

No. Not blown. She's a woman in VERY public life--not a private citizen. MADem Jul 2015 #212

I missed the part where Public Person and Politician became interchangeable terms. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #217

Your parsing at this stage borders on ABSURD. MADem Jul 2015 #225

No, you seem determined to energetically misunderstand everything I say. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #228

I don't "seem" to be doing anything of the sort. Look, your words speak for you. MADem Jul 2015 #230

No, 'My Words' don't speak for me anymore after you've regurgitated them back through your misunders AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #233

I expect people to go to the source -- so give that "regurgitated" nonsense a rest. MADem Jul 2015 #253

Odd you don't know why, since I've stated it plainly. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #259

Perhaps since I was looking for the examples for the first time nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #167

You keep calling out DUERS who aren't participating in the conversation. MADem Jul 2015 #213

That seems like a bullshit argument. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #219

The term is NOT commonly used at DU. MADem Jul 2015 #220

I see plenty of it using the simple search built into DU. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #222

It's not "plenty" in recent years. Even the thread starter had to use the MADem Jul 2015 #227

I did not have to use the wayback machine. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #234

It was DU 's way back machine nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #235

You didn't say that, though--did you? Of course you didn't. MADem Jul 2015 #250

Since I wrote DU way back machine. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #252

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #236

Personally I would have banned that user with a 'lurk more' message, but i'm not going to make a AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #237

And they are nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #239

!!! "Here's another pro tip: .... Understand this--I don't give a shit." dionysus Jul 2015 #531

What you call 'nasty', I call 'context'. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #147

So, you approve of calling out DUers for words they said years ago, when they aren't MADem Jul 2015 #157

If it's relevant. Sure. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #162

Totally uninterested in spelunking your post history--that's Nadin's forte. MADem Jul 2015 #214

Years ago? How about weeks ago? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #238

You are not "all for changing the discourse." Your words in this thread belie that assertion. MADem Jul 2015 #251

I am cordial with the OP, because I read and understood the original post. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #257

Sure--whatever you say. MADem Jul 2015 #264

You assume too much. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #267

All I can say is this--you appear, to me, to be playing both sides of the street. MADem Jul 2015 #274

Technically I am. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #278

Your vigorous defense of the OP ensures that the word will survive here at DU MADem Jul 2015 #279

Bullshit. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #282

You don't give yourself enough credit, there. MADem Jul 2015 #284

I disagree but AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #285

I imagine if one is compelled to use it... LanternWaste Jul 2015 #31

So let me ask you also, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #46

Oh, snap! MADem Jul 2015 #48

Indeed. n/t JTFrog Jul 2015 #223

Obviously NOW is a rightwing, anti-feminist, group that wants to insult women. K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #56

Good one nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #58

The Huckleberry Finn defense. Lovely. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #61

Yep. And, it's true here too. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #67

Whoosh. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #86

Well if you are going to be consistent nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #89

I don't use that word, even for people I don't like. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #98

Will you call people here who do? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #99

I do, and I have. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #103

I will pay attention and complement you when I see it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #104

Nobody's telling you to stop doing your job. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #108

Actually it was quite implied nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #111

Is the predominate use of the allusion to the cross NuclearDem Jul 2015 #118

As I said, I will not stop you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #122

People have explained to you why "whore" is offensive. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #123

It is, and I also explained to you a "semantic shift" nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #124

"this is a term you do not understand." NuclearDem Jul 2015 #126

please proceed and do have a last word nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #127

Look up the word "context". It might help you. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #95

I do, because I know where the word comes from and what it means. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #102

Good for you. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #109

Sad that your standards of what's socially acceptable or not are locked centuries in the past. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #115

Do you think that other writers, modern writers, avoid the evil word? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #139

Oh steinbeck and Hemingway are so last century nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #141

I've read Steinbeck and Hemingway. I learned much from Steinbeck and Hemingway. randome Jul 2015 #151

Why the need for the personal attack? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #152

Not an attack. You presume to lecture the world on proper writing. randome Jul 2015 #153

But you are engaging in a nasty personal attack nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #155

I share your view. Basic spelling and grammar are not optional elements of even marginal writing. nt MADem Jul 2015 #229

Ah yes, another personal attack nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #317

That's not a personal attack. That is an accurate observation. MADem Jul 2015 #324

I know exactly what it means nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #327

Oh really? You don't say! MADem Jul 2015 #329

Yup, you are funny nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #331

Oh really? You don't say! MADem Jul 2015 #332

Please do continue nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #334

If you insist.... MADem Jul 2015 #340

I do, I do, by all means nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #344

OK. MADem Jul 2015 #351

. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #352

OK. MADem Jul 2015 #353

. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #354

- MADem Jul 2015 #355

. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #357

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I know that is what you wish nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #368

. MADem Jul 2015 #377

That's good news, glad to see that troll gone. n/t tammywammy Jul 2015 #373

Skinner came through for us. MADem Jul 2015 #376

Ok, but I am not directing the word at women nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #379

. MADem Jul 2015 #386

Yes, and nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #387

you bullying, personal attacker, you... dionysus Jul 2015 #532

I don't care how anyone else has used it in the past. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #63

I am just pointing out that it is being used nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #65

The overloaded meaning of the word is a FEATURE, not a bug. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #71

Sadly I am not talking about HRC nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #76

I'm not referring to your use of the term. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #84

Well I am sure somebody will use that term nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #85

You are playing with the abstract notion of the word. I'm not. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #90

I am referring to the here and now actually nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #97

I doubt we'll see rank antisemitism against Sanders here on DU ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #105

As soon as it makes it's undeniable appearance I am gone... not a threat, a promise. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #106

I'm purchasing the book on your recommendation, thanks! nt haikugal Jul 2015 #504

All this outrage seems to me making sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #77

Thanks I started going to the DU wayback machine nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #78

+1 PassingFair Jul 2015 #184

There is no question in my view that the meaning of "W" changed after George W Bush was president still_one Jul 2015 #79

But the word 'santorum' originated by intelligent design. randome Jul 2015 #88

Yes, and it is only 5000 years old still_one Jul 2015 #92

The Stuff Of Thought olddots Jul 2015 #87

Thanks for the reading recomendation nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #91

It's a "DU debate" Prism Jul 2015 #110

I do not consider DU serious activism nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #114

There are some gems Prism Jul 2015 #119

Humans are funnny creatures nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #121

logically Earth would have a universal language olddots Jul 2015 #112

Languages are disapearing faster than ever before in human history nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #128

Misogyny is especially useful BainsBane Jul 2015 #130

I am sure it will come as a shock to the former CIA director that nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #132

I guess because mercuryblues Jul 2015 #133

I guess you are into personal attacks instead of noticing that three of the people nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #134

I don't understand mercuryblues Jul 2015 #135

Nah what you are incapable of understanding is that the magical word nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #138

Well gee mercuryblues Jul 2015 #145

Because it's just more from Bull Shit Mountain. misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #146

"Word Evolutionists" would not be insulted by this, but rather it would become a misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #142

... ancianita Jul 2015 #202

How is this nadin's "umpteenth op supporting calling women whores"? Links please. kath Jul 2015 #190

It is not nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #194

reasons mercuryblues Jul 2015 #271

FAIL. You said this is nadin's "umpteenth op supporting calling women whore". NONE of your links are kath Jul 2015 #281

you fail at comprehension mercuryblues Jul 2015 #288

NO. of all the links, that is one of the very few (if not the only one)that was actually an*OP*, kath Jul 2015 #310

I read your two links nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #314

lol mercuryblues Jul 2015 #322

You can speak nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #323

oh yes, her defense of the word c**t tammywammy Jul 2015 #333

Not a shocker. zappaman Jul 2015 #337

And while it was never meant as an insult and I apoloogized to her nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #338

Ahh yes, the ol' "I didn't mean to insult her" excuse. tammywammy Jul 2015 #345

You know most adults do take apologies when offered nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #346

For some, when people question or correct you, it's "bullying". zappaman Jul 2015 #369

Well since it was not meant that way nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #378

the perrennial victim mercuryblues Jul 2015 #422

Wrong, the victim who is now finding the bullies rip roaring hilarious nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #468

Personally I am not surprised they nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #296

I suspect... quickesst Jul 2015 #154

I am just making an observation nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #156

like I said... quickesst Jul 2015 #173

Well I expect the clutch their pearls brigade to continue to fight a losing battle nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #175

I thought... quickesst Jul 2015 #187

Using that word would require you--if you weren't trying to "secret snark" -- to have confidence MADem Jul 2015 #272

Yes quickesst Jul 2015 #289

I agree with your "water it down" assessment and share your opinion. MADem Jul 2015 #291

Ha quickesst Jul 2015 #299

so a person who used the term got the reaction of Kali Jul 2015 #471

Given that now people use it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #475

um... Kali Jul 2015 #479

You do know the word goes back 15,000 years nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #481

for a writer, historian, reporter, mega-expert at everything, and gigantic intellect Kali Jul 2015 #484

And how predictably you go personal nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #486

Don't forget the "n word"! zappaman Jul 2015 #489

You do know that African American Rappers nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #490

You're gonna lecture us about rap now?!?! zappaman Jul 2015 #491

Nobody is lecturing you, except of course in your imagination nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #492

yeah, I see she is now an expert on rap and Black culture too. Kali Jul 2015 #493

A few. zappaman Jul 2015 #494

I see that you two are in a fine series of personal attacks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #498

Thanks for the lecture! zappaman Jul 2015 #179

Thanks for the kick nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #181

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #188

Ah yes, we can use the words to insult nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #189

Pffffftttt.... Little Star Jul 2015 #191

How mature nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #192

that hide kind of proves nadin wrong treestar Jul 2015 #207

Nadin wrong? zappaman Jul 2015 #208

Yeah, and she "didn't alert," either! MADem Jul 2015 #216

I know you will not believe it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #243

You are correct, I don't believe it. nt MADem Jul 2015 #245

Of course you don't nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #247

That's right. Based on your posting history, I've come to a conclusion. And you surmised it MADem Jul 2015 #249

GO on nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #254

There's nothing more to say. Go re-read what I wrote, if you didn't get it the first time. nt MADem Jul 2015 #276

I don't need to continue. The point was made, and clearly, too. MADem Jul 2015 #280

YOu really are into attacking people nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #316

Oh, look--a "personal attack." nt MADem Jul 2015 #389

. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #390

Sorta. That hide is a personal attack. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #240

When I authored this OP nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #244

well it is but nadin is arguing the word is not that bad treestar Jul 2015 #336

And I did not alert nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #339

nadin don't do "wrong" Kali Jul 2015 #496

Except that I did not alert nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #505

Context...it's not what you think it is. haikugal Jul 2015 #512

. Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #193

National Organization For Women. Brickbat Jul 2015 #183

Easy peachy! zappaman Jul 2015 #209

Language evolutions are always 100 percent valid, I guess... Brickbat Jul 2015 #231

Language evolves whether you like it or not nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #382

My comment was a snarky reference to your error, which I found ironic. Brickbat Jul 2015 #383

Well we at least seem to agree on something nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #384

I look forward to the day when I hear words that offend me Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #255

Absolutely nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #256

I was never a heavy poster from back in the day Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #263

This is partly the result of hyper partisanship nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #293

What refreshing remarks...thank you! haikugal Jul 2015 #515

The 'w' word? Wanker, wally, whore? truebrit71 Jul 2015 #260

"Willy" hifiguy Jul 2015 #341

They are few, they are proud nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #356

ever notice that calling someone a prick olddots Jul 2015 #277

Yeah I have nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #319

I can't be too offended unless ericson00 Jul 2015 #283

Which is part of the semanitic shift nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #318

That's because you are sensible. hifiguy Jul 2015 #342

For me the W word has evolved to mean this bad four letter word kydo Jul 2015 #303

Well there is that one too nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #305

I remember when the W word was in reference of Bush. . B Calm Jul 2015 #320

Yeah but these days, becuase of a small group of folks nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #321

Political correctness sometimes goes way too far. It can get so bad B Calm Jul 2015 #361

Yes nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #362

Does this mean I can't call Scott Walker or Chris Christie "Koch Whores"? backscatter712 Jul 2015 #348

According to the langauge police nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #350

you are making an analogy treestar Jul 2015 #358

This reminds me of Capt. Kirk arguing for war in front of the Organians. randome Jul 2015 #419

Perfect. zappaman Jul 2015 #424

in before the self-delete! Kali Jul 2015 #427

Why should I do that? To please the same group nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #428

why do you usually do it? Kali Jul 2015 #429

What? Try to have an actual adult discussion? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #431

Bonus points for telling us how much you hate DU again! zappaman Jul 2015 #435

I am glad you enjoy it nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #437

I do! zappaman Jul 2015 #438

I am glad you do nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #439

uh this subthread was about your potential self-delete, Kali Jul 2015 #441

Nah, it is just a few nattering nanies that I find disagreable nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #443

nanies? Kali Jul 2015 #447

Perhaps you should not avoid the not so hot posts nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #451

I am sure you think that makes sense, Kali Jul 2015 #464

Guess you don't know the language! zappaman Jul 2015 #465

. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #467

Why do you insist on asking a question? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #466

*sigh* Kali Jul 2015 #477

Should I point to other folks self deleting threads? Are you going to go harrass them too? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #478

You don't hate? zappaman Jul 2015 #454

Nope I don't hate nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #455

Yes, because saying you don't care if DUers you have on ignore die... zappaman Jul 2015 #457

Still laughing at you nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #460

Laughing about DUers dying? zappaman Jul 2015 #469

Nah specifically laughing AT YOU nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #473

I don't think DUers dying is a laughing matter. zappaman Jul 2015 #480

Since I am laughing at YOU nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #482

LOL! Funny! Texasgal Jul 2015 #500

I did? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #502

You are the bully. Texasgal Jul 2015 #503

Yup you are correct nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #506

oh no! Kali Jul 2015 #534

Hysteria is a great example of word evolution. It once refereed to a condition that affected women Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #499

That is an excellent example nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #501