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nadinbrzezinski

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128. This is what I wrote in another post and I think it is relevant here

Tue Jul 21, 2015, 10:18 PM

Jul 2015

Myself... I know it is an emergency

Trust me, I do... and people are getting angry at the usual, but you have two minutes at city council

(Locally the Brown Act drives some folks nuts, including me.)

What I have seen locally though has been very effective. When they tried (take into account I report on this) full disruption, the council meeting came to a halt, soft cuffs appeared from nowhere. and I waded into what looked like it was going to get billy club time...but photos were needed. So... me and the Channel 10 cameraman waded in hoping none used pepper spray, or tear gas... enclosed space, it sucks even more.

When local activists held a very silent protest at the inauguration of that city council, which I have LOTS of photos off, and handed demand letters to members of the city council, one of the few, actually let me clarify, the only media who got that money shot, they are actually getting somewhere.

Is it as fast as I would like to see? Nope. Is this moving as fast as the activists want to see? NOPE. We also have a bunch of intersection going on, between BLM, and Occupy (it is not dead yet). I wish the enviro guys and gals joined up, because all this is connected, but I cover this crap, I don't give suggestions.

What happened at NN15, it will be weeks, even maybe months, before we know the real effect... for good or bad.

You cover social movements, and you learn quickly that what might look like a disaster, is not, and what does not look like a disaster is.

I am going over and over and over on how to write an analysis piece of what happened there because of this. My first impulse from what I have seen in person... it will be negative in the short term, but positive in the long haul. It truly depends on both the pols (who already are changing messages) and movement leaders... it is complicated.

And I hope this is not going too much into the dynamics of this.

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‘None of this looks good': Cenk Uygur rips #BlackLivesMatter protest against Sanders and O’Malley [View all] still_one Jul 2015 OP

Cenk is correct. earthside Jul 2015 #1

an attempt by a Trotskyite-type cadre to cause trouble? oberliner Jul 2015 #6

It is a real possibility. earthside Jul 2015 #15

Wow oberliner Jul 2015 #17

Right-wingers and 3rd-Wayers are the big winners in this instance Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #20

It's handing them a hammer hifiguy Jul 2015 #74

Interesting. You can see the effect here for sure. ananda Jul 2015 #25

And the co-op wars in 1970s Minneapolis and St. Paul geardaddy Jul 2015 #40

This has come up before with BLM. earthside Jul 2015 #66

Yep. If this keeps happening hifiguy Jul 2015 #76

I know nothing about blm leadership PowerToThePeople Jul 2015 #109

Your theory makes sense, why did they attack their best hope(s) for President? A Simple Game Jul 2015 #50

Taking your comments at face value the thing I can't wrap my head around is -- Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #58

Taking my comments at face value ... earthside Jul 2015 #68

Maybe I'm just not radical enough. They seem more nihilistic than revolutionary. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #78

No, no heaven05 Jul 2015 #75

I am usually a big fan of Cenk but in this case he is wrong, as you say. randys1 Jul 2015 #80

Oh boy. (nt) Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #10

" a Trotskyite-type cadre to cause trouble, chaos" We've seen this script before geek tragedy Jul 2015 #29

Except that was Hoover being a provocateur. earthside Jul 2015 #38

I find your red-baiting of African-American activsits to be reprehensible nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #39

Don't be naive. earthside Jul 2015 #46

Don't play the stupid-ass "divisive" card after accusing black activists of being Communists nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #47

You damn sure heaven05 Jul 2015 #82

geez heaven05 Jul 2015 #79

ALL republicans make the most of the free publicity started with a few protesters heckling Sunlei Jul 2015 #37

I agree and wonder why the people running Netroots didn't try to transform the confrontation to a karynnj Jul 2015 #54

We should be wary of BLM? Seriously? Lol. bettyellen Jul 2015 #69

Those damned commies! TBF Jul 2015 #81

LOL. I wouldn't go that far. mmonk Jul 2015 #89

I think the money of Hillary's campaign has to be taken into account daredtowork Jul 2015 #124

Well and we have been told on DU that BLM will protest Hillary Clinton as well davidpdx Jul 2015 #148

and it won't be on the same Netroots Nation playing field as Bernie and Malcolm O'Malley.nt daredtowork Jul 2015 #152

Cenk is right on this one. It alienated people who can help. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #2

The one thing you can definitely count on is that the Kochs are giggling or maybe celebrating this GoneFishin Jul 2015 #19

candidates need to provide the Department of Justice info so everyone treated badly by police, can Sunlei Jul 2015 #42

That DOJ reporting method is a great idea. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #72

I think our candidates need to learn how to work with protesters, who may disrupt future events. Sunlei Jul 2015 #87

Was this instigated by repugs somehow nt newfie11 Jul 2015 #3

I doubt it. Most like an expression of frustration, but anyone who watched the video of the net still_one Jul 2015 #4

Frayed knot. immoderate Jul 2015 #5

The BLM protest reminded me of Tea Party tactics, and PADemD Jul 2015 #8

So they are children heaven05 Jul 2015 #11

even the use of the 'BLM' is wrong. Black Lives Matter. spell it out always! Sunlei Jul 2015 #43

The abbreviation BLM was used five other times on this thread. PADemD Jul 2015 #90

no I just posted here. What I meant is "Black Lives Matter" is such an important movement. Sunlei Jul 2015 #91

Bureau of land management newfie11 Jul 2015 #141

For whom did this debacle look good? lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #61

Nope. Maybe the Turd Way types hifiguy Jul 2015 #94

Sadly I believe Cenk is correct.... it's the GOP debates that should be disrupted groundloop Jul 2015 #7

if the americans "slip up" heaven05 Jul 2015 #18

Too true. blackspade Jul 2015 #31

His opinion on this doesn't matter heaven05 Jul 2015 #9

No question that BLM was expressing their frustration at the lack of action that has been getting still_one Jul 2015 #12

creepublicans could give a damn less heaven05 Jul 2015 #16

So hurting one of the front running candidates will help anyone in the long run? And jwirr Jul 2015 #56

that question of economic issues heaven05 Jul 2015 #65

Thank you. That at least lets me understand where you are coming from. If we do not get this jwirr Jul 2015 #67

BLM protests at republican events angel123 Jul 2015 #22

TYT are THE ONLY ones in media that have exposed what the cops are doing to the black community. Dawgs Jul 2015 #13

yeah, yeah heaven05 Jul 2015 #14

For real? You obviously did not watch it. Dawgs Jul 2015 #52

#Black Lives Matter should not heaven05 Jul 2015 #77

I don't know anyone on left that would disagree, including Cenk. n/t Dawgs Jul 2015 #85

Business as usual crowd - neither the Selma event not NN are known for their business as jwirr Jul 2015 #120

Cenk is a person of color LittleBlue Jul 2015 #33

i don't know about the POC claim heaven05 Jul 2015 #140

I think your anger at Cenk is misplaced. blackspade Jul 2015 #36

yeah heaven05 Jul 2015 #139

The senseless killing has to stop. blackspade Jul 2015 #142

I still don't agree completely heaven05 Jul 2015 #146

This is what I wrote in another post and I think it is relevant here nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #128

Thanks heaven05 Jul 2015 #145

I cover these things. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #150

He's just telling them to watch their tone and put them in their place Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #21

No. Dawgs Jul 2015 #53

you're kidding right? heaven05 Jul 2015 #156

Is BLM doing this to Obama? SoapBox Jul 2015 #23

Yes, they have. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #30

I seem to have missed that. Link? jwirr Jul 2015 #60

here ya go: geek tragedy Jul 2015 #63

I was there. NOLALady Jul 2015 #113

I don't have to watch that I remember it when it happened. They were not especially accepted jwirr Jul 2015 #119

“Your vote is your voice! Get registered!” WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #130

You are presuming that the demonstrators don't vote? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #131

I don't have stats on young AA voter turnout handy. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #132

Obviously they have tried and haven't had an acceptable response. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #149

It is unfortunate, but we still have to do whatever we can to get the cops under control. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #24

I'll say Cenk is wrong. Jayar is right. It was a good conversation though. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #26

But why pick a relatively obscure event like Netroots Nation Maedhros Jul 2015 #45

Why are you making shit up like pretending that BLM has "completely ignored" Obama? geek tragedy Jul 2015 #48

These protests pop up at O'Malley events a lot because of his policing record as mayor of Baltimore Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #49

Indeed. Maedhros Jul 2015 #55

I haven't seen any of these at Hillary events. Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #59

So here we have it. Indydem Jul 2015 #123

I agree that this has to continue. They issue is too important. jwirr Jul 2015 #64

And here we go once again shooting ourselves in the foot PFunk Jul 2015 #27

and as labor did when propelling Reagan to victory against Carter still_one Jul 2015 #34

ok, but my point still stands PFunk Jul 2015 #41

I was not contradicting it, The example I used was comparable because still_one Jul 2015 #44

Cenk has always told the uncomfortable truth, which is why his show Cleita Jul 2015 #28

Watching the video in it's entirety is very important for context. /nt think Jul 2015 #32

Spot on as usual LittleBlue Jul 2015 #35

Cenk Is Correct cantbeserious Jul 2015 #51

k & r architect359 Jul 2015 #57

How many people in this thread agreed with Cenk & Crew when this happened? If so, you're Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #62

Interesting. bettyellen Jul 2015 #70

Cenk: The biggest hypocrite on the internet. Black folk know we're not equal in the eyes of some... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #71

Yup. Fuck Cenk. PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #73

Yeah, that's a brilliantly thought-out, cerebral critique of Cenk n/t brentspeak Jul 2015 #133

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #134

Well, to answer your question: brentspeak Jul 2015 #136

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #137

If I were black I would be helluva offended by having upper middle class white folks telling me... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #83

They don't seem to get that they are no better than the GOP on issues of race. They're so... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #84

Do you realize that Cenk is THE ONLY PERSON IN MEDIA that talks about the issues of BLM. Dawgs Jul 2015 #93

F**k Cenk. And I'll pass on your link, but thanks anyhoo. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #95

Can you explain why you don't like him? Dawgs Jul 2015 #96

You're going to have wait for answer brentspeak Jul 2015 #135

Still voting GOP through GWB. And haven't learned much since. Yet they lecture... n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #129

These recovering Repukes are the new "liberal" thought leaders, doncha know? Go figure. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #138

Did you watch the video? Honestly? Dawgs Jul 2015 #86

It certainly doesn't seem so, but T_D theaocp Jul 2015 #92

Cenk is an idiot.. Netroots Nation stands behind the Protesters.. and bernie and his fans can Cha Jul 2015 #97

Yeah. Like BLM ever needed advice from the GOP "convert". Cenk is an a**hole, and I'll venture.... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #100

Right.. fucking hypocrite.. he's dense as a doorknob. Cha Jul 2015 #104

There was a major difference between these two incidents. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #102

However Netroots Nation Stands Behind the Protesters of #BlackLivesMatter and so do I Cha Jul 2015 #105

Your own post has a major qualifier in it wherein Black Lives Matter agree with Cenk's point of view Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #107

More time, yeah.. but NRN stands with the Protesters there from #BlackLivesMatter and bernie lit out Cha Jul 2015 #112

So his response was to cancel the meeting? Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #117

You hadn't heard that?.. yeah, and they were not impressed. Cha Jul 2015 #118

I had heard it, but the poster who told me was taken to task, so I wasn't sure. Tsk...Tsk. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #121

Of course.. they don't want that exposed.. too bad. Cha Jul 2015 #122

Blah....Blah...&...Blah. My initial observation of Cenk's rightwing ass stands. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #106

The only Democratic candidate that was perhaps helped by this Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #108

For someone with only 2% AA support & 3% support from Latinos, BS showed that he's not ready... Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #111

I disagree, compassion and respect are called for here felix_numinous Jul 2015 #88

Another tone deaf brogressive wags his condescending finger.nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #98

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jul 2015 #101

Lol @ "brogressive" PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #110

Without doubt .... my question: etherealtruth Jul 2015 #116

+2 Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #147

Poor little cenk.. "none of it looks good.." to him. Netroots Nation Stands behind the Protesters.. Cha Jul 2015 #99

Good post. Those who benefit from the status quo have to work hard to keep it... Just sayin' n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #127

After watching Cenk's deathrind Jul 2015 #103

He says it well here. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2015 #114

I'm with Cenk on this one. Paladin Jul 2015 #115

Re: "you’re gonna alienate people. You don’t want to alienate people" 951-Riverside Jul 2015 #125

Lots of people slinging shit at Cenk. Juicy_Bellows Jul 2015 #126

Amazing, isn't it. Dawgs Jul 2015 #143

Whose bankrolling these people anyway? madokie Jul 2015 #144

The argument being made is by saying "All lives matter", diminishes the fact that African American still_one Jul 2015 #151

that person gets it, they just don't like black folks geek tragedy Jul 2015 #155

"all lives matter and that's that" said the white person who dislikes it geek tragedy Jul 2015 #154

"DON'T GENERALIZE THIS SHIT." LWolf Jul 2015 #153