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oberliner

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19. I know there are a lot of articles and studies espousing this view

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 08:36 AM

Jul 2015

I am specifically taking issue, though, with the characterization used by the author of the OP.

She is claiming that a person who professes not "not see color" is, in doing so, ignoring or erasing a person's culture sand heritage. She goes ever further to associate this "pretending my blackness isn’t there in order to see my full humanity" - which she says makes someone definitely a racist.

I think this is a misreading of the "colorblind" idea. I think that people who say they try not to see color are not taking this approach because they can't see a person's full humanity without pretending their blackness isn't there, but rather they are attempting to live a life where they actively try not to make assumptions or judgments about a person based on their race.

I have observed people of different races taking this approach and believe it to be perfectly reasonable and does not make someone "definitely a racist".

I appreciate all the links - even though I don't necessarily agree with some of the conclusions. It's an interesting topic and I think it's worth discussing and contemplating, that's for sure.

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4 Things You Should Teach Your Kids About Racism Right Now [View all] gollygee Jul 2015 OP

If you can still find it, safeinOhio Jul 2015 #1

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You need to read the section about not being "color blind." n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #3

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Experts in anti-racism disagree gollygee Jul 2015 #14

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I agree with you Telcontar Jul 2015 #17

There are articles linked gollygee Jul 2015 #18

Welcome to DU by the way el_bryanto Jul 2015 #21

My kids have friends of several races and really don't give a shit about their skin color. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #4

There's a great deal written about why it's important to talk to kids about race gollygee Jul 2015 #6

They don't but the society they live in does. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #8

Yep. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #9

There is a meaning to "colorblind". qwlauren35 Jul 2015 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author RobertEarl Jul 2015 #5

Completely disagree with her on #3 oberliner Jul 2015 #7

They might be saying that but that's not the reality, and MLK was not "color blind" gollygee Jul 2015 #16

I know there are a lot of articles and studies espousing this view oberliner Jul 2015 #19

I do think it's something well intended people do gollygee Jul 2015 #20

I think it could be an improvement oberliner Jul 2015 #22

It hasn't made an improvement gollygee Jul 2015 #23

It definitely has oberliner Jul 2015 #24

Studies have confirmed that it hasn't gollygee Jul 2015 #25

Studies have confirmed that it has oberliner Jul 2015 #76

like I said, only 're interracial marriage gollygee Jul 2015 #77

That's a pretty illustrative example oberliner Jul 2015 #78

So you didn't read the other questions. gollygee Jul 2015 #82

There's no need for a comment like that oberliner Jul 2015 #83

Oh yeah Oberliner. School 'em with Martin. That'll do the trick! Scootaloo Jul 2015 #56

I don't understand what you mean oberliner Jul 2015 #75

I'll give you my thoughts on this d_r Jul 2015 #79

Colorblind Myth Solly Mack Jul 2015 #10

curious about #1 hfojvt Jul 2015 #11

Our society teaches them these things even if you don't gollygee Jul 2015 #12

our society did NOT teach me those things back in the 1970s hfojvt Jul 2015 #34

There was active anti-racism work going on in the 1970s. gollygee Jul 2015 #36

small areas are part of the nation as a whole hfojvt Jul 2015 #80

I'm basing things on what I've read from people of color, not just my experience gollygee Jul 2015 #81

reading something is not the same as experiencing it hfojvt Jul 2015 #84

and 5 'follow this advice, until someone hands you a new article on the same topic' HFRN Jul 2015 #26

#4 ' if a person of color calls a white person a mean name (cracker, mayo, etc), that isn�t racism.' HFRN Jul 2015 #27

It says exactly that gollygee Jul 2015 #29

because an AA has never been president? nt HFRN Jul 2015 #30

One person with high achievement does not negate the overall level of racism in the US. n/t gollygee Jul 2015 #31

maybe he should have appointed an AA Attourney General then HFRN Jul 2015 #32

Same for 2 people. There are millions of people in the US gollygee Jul 2015 #33

you're facing a paradox here HFRN Jul 2015 #35

What? gollygee Jul 2015 #37

OMG! You don't know what "paradox" means, either. cyberswede Jul 2015 #48

another allegation, without evidence HFRN Jul 2015 #50

The "evidence" is your complete misuse of the word. cyberswede Jul 2015 #51

that's actually a circular arguement HFRN Jul 2015 #53

You misused the word "paradox" and I pointed it out. cyberswede Jul 2015 #58

no, all it means HFRN Jul 2015 #59

Except neither gollygee's nor Orrex's argument contained a logical fallacy. cyberswede Jul 2015 #61

that's your opinion nt HFRN Jul 2015 #63

LOL - if you say so. cyberswede Jul 2015 #65

'Their posts are here for everyone to read' -> yes, they are HFRN Jul 2015 #67

LOL - gollygee and Orrex actually have that honor. cyberswede Jul 2015 #70

the level of nasty and disrepectful calling out by Republicans should have clued you in. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #54

yup, first president in history to be disrespected HFRN Jul 2015 #55

Hmm...neither of those examples shows someone being disrespected due to their race. cyberswede Jul 2015 #60

yes, i guess we could say that when W was compared to a monkey, it wasn't because of his race HFRN Jul 2015 #62

Jesus christ - do some research cyberswede Jul 2015 #64

i noticed you side-stepped the fact, that the exact same thing was done to the previous president nt HFRN Jul 2015 #66

Ok: GWB was compared to a monkey because he is STUPID. cyberswede Jul 2015 #68

you've just made the arguement I've been trying to make, thank you HFRN Jul 2015 #69

Do you actually think people compared GWB to a monkey becasue he's white? cyberswede Jul 2015 #72

i'm going to let the audience think of their own answers to that HFRN Jul 2015 #73

There are several kinds of racism. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #71

Here's an easy way to think of it. Orrex Jul 2015 #38

but you have a straw man arguement HFRN Jul 2015 #39

You need to look up the definition of "strawman" cyberswede Jul 2015 #40

I have, and it was, a straw man HFRN Jul 2015 #42

Reading and pasting is clearly not the same as understanding cyberswede Jul 2015 #43

reading is more than you're doing HFRN Jul 2015 #44

Ouch! cyberswede Jul 2015 #45

a conspicuous lack of evidence in you allegations HFRN Jul 2015 #47

um, what? cyberswede Jul 2015 #49

Digging that hole deeper, eh? zappaman Jul 2015 #46

That wasn't a straw man, and you didn't address any of my points. Orrex Jul 2015 #41

That is a good example virtualobserver Jul 2015 #57

I have a partial answer to your interesting question Orrex Jul 2015 #74

My teen white daughter is dating a black male Sheepshank Jul 2015 #52