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Moostache

(10,958 posts)
34. I am a Missouri resident...
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:57 AM
Jul 2015

I hate it here in East Kansas, but that's another point entirely.

I was stopped by Highway Patrol in the St. Louis are in June for a speeding citation. I have no doubt whatsoever that I was guilty, but the flow of traffic and where I was (far left lane of a 4-lane interstate) made it very difficult to pick me out aside from the make and model of car I was driving (a convertible roadster with tinted windows that make it very difficult to determine the race of the driver).

I am Caucasian, Eastern-European heritage, 4th generation American. In other words, I'm pretty much lily-white.
Once the officer raced up to pull me over, and I merged over across 4 lanes of traffic to pull over on the side of the interstate, he took my license and registration and disappeared back to his squad car.

When he returned to the car, ticket in hand, he informed me that "I am not going arrest you today" as a formal greeting.
I was shocked, so I said "Why would you arrest me for a speeding ticket?" (It was 78 in a 60...not even the threshold of 20mph over the posted that can get you a reckless driving charge added on...)

He then said, "You have a warrant for your arrest."
Now, I was totally stunned...I don't have any warrants I thought...what the hell is this?

So I said, "A WARRANT??? For what???", truly quite dismayed at this point.

He then said, "Well, since the whole Ferguson 'thing', we don't arrest drivers for minor offenses any more."
He actually sounded disappointed, like he lost out on a chance to arrest someone - though he certainly did not seem to have any intention of that 'someone' being me.

I found that to be an extraordinary statement.
And it got me to thinking about the entire stop in a different light.

The officer was on the shoulder of a major interstate highway, during the late-morning rush hour. There were numerous other cars "speeding" at that time, including me. My car just happens to be a bit flashier than some others, and was an easy target. I don't know what this officer's thought process was when he made the decision to hop into his car, slam on the gas, whip out across 4 lanes of traffic and pull me over...maybe he really did think I was an imminent threat to public safety (amongst the dozen or so other cars doing between 75 and 80 in the left lanes)? Maybe he thought it was his public duty to make such a risky traffic stop?

But his "Ferguson thing" comment made me think there might have been other motivations. Like I said, the windows on my car are tinted (to the legal limits), but its possible that anyone looking at the car from the side would be unable to tell the race of the driver beyond making assumptions and stereotype decisions. His disappointment in informing me that he would no arrest me "this time" was palpable.

The whole thing was strange; but I noticed that he made a hyper-aggressive drive to pull me over, then became almost disappointed when he discovered I was white and that even though I had a warrant for my arrest, he was not going to do anything about that either.

Turns out that the "warrant" was for an unpaid license issue, not an actual citation or moving violation and that a clerical error in the county courthouse was what led to that not being expunged from the records.

The kicker in all of this?
I later went to the online fine collection center to find out my fine and pay the ticket. The system reported an error and said that I would need to use the automated phone line instead...

So I called the number and waited on hold for 45 minutes, then the phone system told me there was an error and that I would need to contact an operator for assistance. After another 45 minutes on hold, the operator told me they had no record of the citation number I was holding.

That ticket (to date, and now 45 days+ later) has never been turned in.

There's a lot of ground in this story to make assumptions. Right or wrong, nefarious or not. I am just having a hard time believing that if I were black, driving the same car in the same situation that the outcome would NOT (*edit) have been something far, far different.

Equal justice under the law. THAT is my over-riding principle. The law is the law for everyone or it is not a law worth regarding. Rich or poor. White or Non-white. Or any distinctions you can think of...if the law does not apply evenly and fairly for all, then justice is a myth and the law is mechanism of control.

Its harder and harder to see our laws as being just any longer when they CLEARLY have disparate application depending on the race of the people involved.

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There is something very wrong in America when while simply ladjf Jul 2015 #1
Sudden movements (including raising your unarmed hands) ecstatic Jul 2015 #29
If you can, while cop is approaching place wallet and registration on dash. Sit with hands on wheel. ieoeja Jul 2015 #33
NO,NO,NO,NO!!....Do NOT reach into your pocket or glove box for documents!!!! louis-t Jul 2015 #43
Partly OK! Have your registration and insurance card easily accessible. Place on dash with license. TheBlackAdder Jul 2015 #46
You don't want an approaching cop to see you COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #52
They are already expecting something. Finish your collection and minimize movement after contact. TheBlackAdder Jul 2015 #64
That's why I said you should FIRST inform the officer COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #65
That's why you tell him where you are reaching, what you are doing. louis-t Jul 2015 #72
A Standard Police M.O. - She was going to get pulled over regardless. TheBlackAdder Jul 2015 #42
good insight. yurbud Jul 2015 #50
Just put your hands, clasped, on top of the wheel nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #69
Not to mention he whipped his car around once he got a good look at her BEFORE ... Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2015 #2
Yeah, not only whip his car around but he immediately sufrommich Jul 2015 #4
The behavior he engaged in was reprehensible and IMO criminal... kristopher Jul 2015 #14
If suddenly I see a policeman who turned around ahead of me Mira Jul 2015 #16
You would mouth off to a cop? CANDO Jul 2015 #80
Police speed up on cars for the sole purpose of intimidating the driver into making a mistake. nt TheBlackAdder Jul 2015 #48
You are so right. It was not routine. That cop was heading the other way . . . brush Jul 2015 #3
Yup. truebrit71 Jul 2015 #6
By that logic there are no routine stops mythology Jul 2015 #5
But you'd expect to be pulled over for speeding or running a red light kcr Jul 2015 #7
I do know several people who have, in fact, gotten tickets for that precise thing. niyad Jul 2015 #35
Yeah, I should clarify. I don't know anyone who simply got a ticket for that as a matter of course kcr Jul 2015 #59
I was pulled over for that once in Suburban Chicago. Ace Rothstein Jul 2015 #36
And if there is no traffic and it is safe treestar Jul 2015 #8
If you watch the very beginning of the 52 min video... blackspade Jul 2015 #24
He was inappropriate with the first driver as well, IMO ecstatic Jul 2015 #57
+1 Lilith Rising Jul 2015 #60
True though that could also be friendly chat treestar Jul 2015 #74
She was a sophomore. Igel Jul 2015 #76
My hearing isn't good enough to disern her ethnicity. blackspade Jul 2015 #77
Umm- it was a routine stop Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #9
Except his attitude changed immediately on the second stop. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #45
It was a bs stop and you know it. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #53
Texas has a new law that went into effect Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #10
it's a fucked up reason to get pulled over but we all signal when we know a cop is nearby because Demonaut Jul 2015 #11
I know if you are a truck driver it would be a routine traffic stop. I can't count how many times B Calm Jul 2015 #12
I know a number of cops... Whiskeytide Jul 2015 #13
It's routine if you have out of state plates. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #15
That's why there numbers are in the toilet bigdarryl Jul 2015 #17
Follow a cop for 2 minutes. Guarantee you'll see a lane change without signal. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #18
They also think it's okay for them to travel at very high speeds in the left lane. Many B Calm Jul 2015 #19
Seriously, I don't know about that state, but here in WA there is no exemption to the speed limit AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #27
Welcome to Texas maindawg Jul 2015 #20
She was profiled and harrassed. Because she didn't play, "Yes sir, no sir" it escalated. jalan48 Jul 2015 #21
Yep! She knew her rights. brush Jul 2015 #25
Unfortunately, knowing her rights probably got her killed. It's Amerika. jalan48 Jul 2015 #26
Putting out a cigarette is a lawful command when detained for a traffic stop Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #30
Show us evidence of that in legal code. brush Jul 2015 #32
Here is some reading for you Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #38
As was the request to leave the vehicle. Indydem Jul 2015 #40
Tell me where is the part about not violating the 4th Amendment . . . brush Jul 2015 #41
If the cop did nothing wrong, why is he on desk duty? Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #47
Mr policeman, do you signal every time you change lanes? Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #49
I'm not a man, thank you Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #51
kick samsingh Jul 2015 #22
Her arrest should have never happened. blackspade Jul 2015 #23
The cop was a testy unprofessional. Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #28
No one signals in Texas when they change lanes Gothmog Jul 2015 #31
the first thing I put in my alternative driving manual for texas was, "turn signals are optional niyad Jul 2015 #37
It is dangerous to show any weakness on the highway Gothmog Jul 2015 #54
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2015 #75
It fucking drives me crazy. I do, and I expect others to do so. X_Digger Jul 2015 #79
I am a Missouri resident... Moostache Jul 2015 #34
I was stopped for speeding recently Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #39
What I used to tell my clients all the time. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #55
I agree with you, BUT MH1 Jul 2015 #58
I understand what you are saying, but one problem I see with it is the inherent reinforcement niyad Jul 2015 #61
No. The idea is that the Supreme Court has made it clear COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #66
wonderful reinforcement of submitting unquestioningly to authority. niyad Jul 2015 #67
So far as I know, the Supreme Court is the law of the land. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #70
and it is always the peasants who face the consequences of their actions. the jackboots niyad Jul 2015 #78
Highly rhetorical but not really very relevant COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #82
I didn't say "always" Ms. Yertle Jul 2015 #73
Good people can snap sometimes, even when every neuron ecstatic Jul 2015 #63
The cop had to know she was changing lanes to get out of his way. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #44
Routine for African-Americans malaise Jul 2015 #56
The entire premise of this discussion is way wrong. Glassunion Jul 2015 #62
No, it is not Lurker Deluxe Jul 2015 #68
Cops kill a black person about once every 40 hours. Glassunion Jul 2015 #71
In NYC, not signaling between lanes is a huge no-no Reter Jul 2015 #81
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