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Glassunion

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101. I'm no expert, however here is my advice.

Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:19 PM

Jul 2015

Not to butt into the conversation here, however there is some bad information flying around this thread, that I'm afraid may give the wrong ideas over rights to folks.

At a traffic stop, or being stopped on the street, or anywhere for that matter, an officer ordering you (or your passengers) out of a vehicle requires no legal justification. The officer can ask (order) you to step out of the vehicle because they are concerned for your safety, concerned for their safety, or because they are controlling shit-heads who are looking to escalate the situation so they can drum up some probable cause to arrest you. The reason will not be questioned in court.

In PA vs. Mimms, the US Supreme Court ruled that it was not a violation of constitutional protections that an officer may order someone who he has stopped for a traffic violation to get out of the car. Thus, you do not have a choice in the matter since it is a lawful order. If you disobey that order, the officer has probable cause for an arrest that can turn into a disorderly or obstruction type of charges being leveled against you.

So. If you are stopped, and the officer asks or orders you to step out of the vehicle, you must get out of the car. You do not have a right to know why.

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It was racial profiling. Sandra Bland made that lane change to let the cop who was tailing her pass. [View all] pnwmom Jul 2015 OP

Why Don't They Come Out And Say It AnnieBW Jul 2015 #1

Nothing new, Michael Brown did the same thing I suspect, talked back randys1 Jul 2015 #78

This whole matter seems unreal and Sandra Bland who was headed Iliyah Jul 2015 #2

He'll probably get a job on fox news. Kevin from WI Jul 2015 #5

I just can't. nc4bo Jul 2015 #3

Sandra Bland was pig-murdered in prison after being arrested for nothing. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #4

He baited her into responding negatively so that he could arrest her. jalan48 Jul 2015 #6

The fix was in early. nc4bo Jul 2015 #7

Oh I agree there, its why I dont blame her for being pissed because I probably would have cstanleytech Jul 2015 #10

Motives? racism and fear of a civil rights lawsuit? JDPriestly Jul 2015 #15

It's all guesswork on my part DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #20

Racist or not hes still an asshole and hopefully a fired asshole. nt cstanleytech Jul 2015 #24

I had the same thought. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #31

If you stop. You Die. If you run. You Die. If you fight. You Die. 951-Riverside Jul 2015 #8

Well there are two things people can do actually. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #12

Local electioins matter. Too many people only vote every four years. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #17

Yup, I have said repeatedly that people are making a mistake by focusing only on the cstanleytech Jul 2015 #23

Sadly, it is also the fault of racism in the voting population lostnfound Jul 2015 #33

"Some voters are apathetic" In this case thats a huge understatement. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #41

Be obsequious to white males Nevernose Jul 2015 #21

Yes. They don't like assertive women of any race, but whathehell Jul 2015 #29

Sit still , dont move, dont speak. And if you do that they will kill you for being randys1 Jul 2015 #80

Following her on a public road is 100% legal though OP doesnt matter for how long. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #9

Racial profiling isn't legal. I want to hear his explanation about why, after he passed her pnwmom Jul 2015 #14

No its not legal but you have to prove it happened still and turning around and going cstanleytech Jul 2015 #22

It certainly seems suspicious as hell, though, especially whathehell Jul 2015 #26

I agree with you 100% there. nt cstanleytech Jul 2015 #39

She is dead, like Michael Brown, cant prove much now. In Brown's case all the cop had randys1 Jul 2015 #81

Out of state license plate, probably. JimDandy Jul 2015 #32

I imagine it rattles the nerves to have a cop follow you for long lostnfound Jul 2015 #34

Hell it rattles *my nerves* when I get one behind me because cstanleytech Jul 2015 #40

Sadly, he does not need justification. Glassunion Jul 2015 #87

I still think he should be fired as it appeared to me that he deliberately antagonized her not that cstanleytech Jul 2015 #124

Out of state tags, lone black female, in HBCU territory. Familiar profile. kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #11

Another possibility about her death pnwmom Jul 2015 #13

Another possibility is depression Lurker Deluxe Jul 2015 #35

No, I doubt it. She had faith. I wish I'd had a chance to know her. She's good people. freshwest Jul 2015 #52

She used the terms anecdotally. msrizzo Jul 2015 #53

No, not possible randys1 Jul 2015 #82

"She was too feisty to have a mind set for suicide." JDPriestly Jul 2015 #19

The cops had time to discover Bland was with the BLM movement. oasis Jul 2015 #30

As I said in another post, we are living in a police state and black people are on the front lines. jalan48 Jul 2015 #16

That video made me ill. It was patently obvious that she was vanlassie Jul 2015 #18

I think just about any sane person would have been angry and or scared. nt cstanleytech Jul 2015 #25

You said it -- it was obvious she was baited from the get-go. stranger81 Jul 2015 #28

"Are you done?" SalviaBlue Jul 2015 #71

That cop gotta go. No police union on Earth can defend his lying ass.: oasis Jul 2015 #27

Don't you believe that. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #128

Do you know that he should not have been driving a op car malaise Jul 2015 #36

So much wrong with this assessment Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #37

He might had no right to insist she leave her car, let alone drag her out whathehell Jul 2015 #44

Incorrect Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #45

Police ask people to exit the car when they perceive a danger. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #50

Text from the Mimms decision. Glassunion Jul 2015 #106

She was trying to sign it when Trooper Dick ordered her to extinguish her cigarette. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #51

From being a cop, being trained, doing stops Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #54

So, as a trained cop, what he did was just fine Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #67

I would have Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #73

Holy shit. You're part of the problem too. nt Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #75

So are tou Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #79

This-- Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #86

Then learn the law Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #89

The "law" is exactly what is wrong. The "law" is what lets Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #90

The law is what the politicians and courts say it is Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #92

Of course he didn't goad her one bit, did he? Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #93

Right. I try not to loathe all cops because of this Texas cop, Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #95

Victim blaming. nt Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #94

So when someone tells you they have epilepsy Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #122

"escalating"...not even the pretense that you're enforcing a law CreekDog Jul 2015 #129

Why was he goading her? Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #96

Oh he wasn't. She was "not following the law." Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #97

Learn the law and realize that if you are not observant enough JimDandy Jul 2015 #125

Good catch. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #130

Bullshit BULLSHIT, your post angers me, makes me sick. BULLSHIT randys1 Jul 2015 #126

Why should she put out her cigarette? Why was this even an instruction? kwassa Jul 2015 #131

So again, why is he now on desk duty? Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #68

She seems to be studiously avoiding that question, doesn't she. nt Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #91

"Not sure who or what you saw" whathehell Jul 2015 #99

Thanks for you "expert" opinion. Links? Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #48

I'm no expert, however here is my advice. Glassunion Jul 2015 #101

Mimms was also carrying a firearm. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #108

See post #106. The firearm is irrelavent. Glassunion Jul 2015 #109

The Feds better put a stop to this. Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #38

She told the cop she had epilepsy StarlightGold Jul 2015 #42

The initial failure to signal Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #43

He didn't say that. And if that were true, he should have stopped her much sooner than he did. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #56

it's in the video Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #57

I think the color of her skin piqued his interest the most. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #58

could be Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #59

That's what he said. Have you seen the paper written that way? n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #61

I wasn't on US Hwy 290 in Waller County that day. Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #62

He flashed a paper at her knowing she couldn't see what it said. He also said pnwmom Jul 2015 #64

agreed Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #65

Excellent analysis. A few other points: Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #46

In most states in the Union, one does NOT have to signal to change lanes. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #47

But she didn't use her turn signal, so! He's in the clear! kcr Jul 2015 #49

"Several times, Sandra Bland asserts her rights as a citizen COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #55

Thank you. I've been trying to explain this here Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #66

You've explained nothing. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #70

And btw, this cops rally-around-a-cop is exactly why Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #72

Asking questions is normal procedure Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #76

I'm all too aware that the cops know exactly how to Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #98

It's also a fishing expedition to seek probable cause for some other offense. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #111

On asking how long you've been in the state.... tammywammy Jul 2015 #83

And he was so concerned about that, that he said absolutely Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #100

So why is the cop on desk duty? Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #74

Don't know Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #77

Some just don't want to let little technicalities COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #112

Link for cigarette? nt Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #69

I'm not aware that an Officer ordering a person who COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #107

He he might burn himself when he's slapping her around. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #117

The point is that there is no legal reason for him COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #118

Yes, I know the point. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #120

Then why bother asking for a cite for the COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #121

I just want to say artislife Jul 2015 #60

Probably racial profiling, maybe out-of-state plates profiling. But Sandra Bland made mistakes. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #63

sigh randys1 Jul 2015 #84

It looked like she rolled a stop sign without a turn signal before the cop even did a Uturn Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #85

She was turning right. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #104

I would assume the law in all states requires a complete stop Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #105

I got a warning on my motorcycle for rolling a stop... Glassunion Jul 2015 #110

Foot on the ground seems like a dumb reason Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #115

I stopped the motorcycle, but it's light and I can blance it fairly well. Glassunion Jul 2015 #116

Yet, oddly, he didn't cite her for that. nt Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #119

My daughter's first ticket was for a rolling stop B2G Jul 2015 #123

kick Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #88

I watched coverage of this on Fox "News", and was shocked! ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2015 #102

If his lights weren't flashing she shouldn't have pulled over, that just gave him an excuse Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #103

You're welcome, Uncle Joe. Thanks for participating. pnwmom Jul 2015 #113

Peace to you, pnwmom. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #114

The cops voice betrays a white man like the one in "In The Heat Of The Night" randys1 Jul 2015 #127