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RainDog

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86. I'm not supplying anecdotes. I posted links to science
Fri May 18, 2012, 01:10 AM
May 2012

if you note, my post, above, links to research that looks at various studies and also to Roger Pertwee, who is the leading pharmacologist in Great Britain.

I was talking about others on this thread who you were complaining about and explaining why the initial reaction is "bullshit." There's a long history of lies to make such a claim. I didn't say the call of "bullshit' made the claim valid or not. I was just explaining why you see it. It's a bias - but it has a basis in reality. All the way back to the 1940s when Mayor La Guardia did a study that indicated the govt was lying to the American people.

Not many people know about that - but that's the truth - someone tried to catapult the propaganda, but the liars in govt. wouldn't have it.

Later, a professor did another study that indicated the govt was lying about cannabis. What did he get for his efforts? Harassment by the federal govt. He had to take legal means to stop them - all this is on record - it's not anecdotal. The guy started a drug research organization after he experienced the full weight of the federal govt's lies that cannabis is addictive.

The hostility you perceive is based upon 70 years of lies. Somehow that doesn't matter to you. Only your perceived slight is taken into account - which indicates bias on your part as well. But your bias has some basis too, because, yes, you hear the people who are responding to those 70 years of lies. The fault, iow, lies with those who have engaged in anti-cannabis propaganda for decades.

Here's a link to the full La Guardia Committee report: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/lag/lagmenu.htm

Here's a link to the story of how the federal govt. harassed Prof. Lindesmith: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/anslingerlindesmith.htm (originally posted in the peer reviewed Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology; Chicago; Winter 1998

The late Alfred Lindesmith was an Indiana University sociology professor who was a long-time advocate of medical treatment of addiction. We demonstrate below how the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) attempted to intimidate Lindesmith, stifle his research, and interfere with his publication of articles counter to FBN policies. In addition, we argue that the American banning of the 1946 Canadian film on drug addiction, Drug Addict, may have been a pivotal event in a pattern of censorship and disinformation carried on by the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN) under the leadership of its long-time Director, Harry Anslinger. The FBN's campaign to suppress information played a significant role in the emerging public ideology and mythology regarding drug addicts and drug addiction in the United States. Lindesmith's unsuccessful efforts against the ban, as illustrated by his personal papers, his FBN file recently released to the National Archives, Anslinger's papers in the National Archives, and those recently released under the Freedom of Information Act, demonstrate the nearly absolute control of information exercised by the FBN.


Here's a link that talks about the Heath study: http://voices.yahoo.com/does-marijuana-really-kill-brain-cells-4229143.html

In 1974, Dr. Robert G. Heath, a researcher at Tulane University in New Orleans, reported that he had found proof that marijuana caused brain damage while experimenting on monkeys. Heath reported that rhesus monkeys smoking an equivalent of 30 joints a day began to atrophy and die after just 90 days. Autopsies revealed that the monkeys who had been exposed to the marijuana smoke had more dead brain cells than the control monkeys, who had not been exposed.

How did Heath come up with these results? What were his procedures? For six years, no one knew. It took Playboy and NORML six years of requesting and suing under the Freedom of Information Act to finally receive an accurate accounting of the procedures Heath used.

The poor monkeys were being suffocated for five minutes at a time, on a daily basis, over a period of three months. After which they were killed so that their brains could be autopsied, and the dead brain cells caused by carbon monoxide poisoning were attributed to marijuana. This was Ronald Reagan's "reliable scientific" source.


Here's a link that talks about the repressed marijuana study related to cancer. Project Censored calls this one of the most important censored stories of the 20th Century. A link to the actual study is available on DU in the Drug Policy Forum

http://www.alternet.org/story/9257/

In 1974 researchers at the Medical College of Virginia, who had been funded by the National Institute of Health to find evidence that marijuana damages the immune system, found instead that THC slowed the growth of three kinds of cancer in mice -- lung and breast cancer, and a virus-induced leukemia.

The DEA quickly shut down the Virginia study and all further cannabis/tumor research, according to Jack Herer, who reports on the events in his book, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes." In 1976 President Gerald Ford put an end to all public cannabis research and granted exclusive research rights to major pharmaceutical companies, who set out -- unsuccessfully -- to develop synthetic forms of THC that would deliver all the medical benefits without the "high."


Additionally, the U.S. had a federal program, the Compassionate Investigational New Drug program, that supplied medical marijuana to patients because patients sued because the govt cannot deny people the right to health. The argument for use was "medical necessity." George H.W. Bush shut down the program because, basically, it demonstrates that the Federal Govt. is lying about the medical efficacy of cannabis. There are only four patients who were in the program who are still alive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compassionate_Investigational_New_Drug_program

U.S. v. Randall

http://www.marijuana-as-medicine.org/Alliance/legal.html#U.S.%20v.%20Randall

also info here:

Randall v. U.S.

In 1978, federal agencies, disquieted by Randall’s outspoken opposition to the medical prohibition, sought to silence him by disrupting his legal access to marijuana.

In response, Randall, represented pro bono publico by the law firm of Steptoe & Johnson, brought suit against FDA, DEA, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, the Department of Justice and the Department of Health, Education & Welfare.

Twenty-four hours after the suit was filed, federal agencies requested an out-of-court settlement. The resulting settlement provided Randall with prescriptive access to marijuana through a federal pharmacy located near his home.

The settlement in Randall v. U.S. became the legal basis for FDA’s Compassionate IND program. Initially, this program was limited to patients afflicted by marijuana-responsive disorders and some orphan drugs. In the mid-1980′s however, the Compassionate IND concept was expanded to include HIV-positive people seeking legal access to drugs which had not yet received final FDA marketing approval.

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Marijuana use connected to aggression [View all] True Earthling May 2012 OP
well this proves it Travon guilty!!!11 I owe a May 2012 #1
My experience is that people are more mellow when high on pot. Chemisse May 2012 #2
That is also my experience and I have been around pot smokers for many years. More likely to go jwirr May 2012 #35
Unless you happen to be bogue-ing the last of the Doritos HillWilliam May 2012 #141
LOL. They do tend to eat you out of house and home. jwirr May 2012 #142
Such bullshit! Webster Green May 2012 #3
Marijuana Use Linked to Risk of Psychotic Symptoms True Earthling May 2012 #19
Pantload. Webster Green May 2012 #31
Did you post this because Trayvon Martin had THC in his bloodstream? RainDog May 2012 #69
Plus here's this documentary with proof: REP May 2012 #136
It's because the good weed is GONE Politicalboi May 2012 #4
No it isn't. Webster Green May 2012 #8
Yes, so do I Politicalboi May 2012 #20
Visit N Cal. roody May 2012 #28
don't have bluedave May 2012 #104
or Vermont - the Green Mountain State, indeed! piratefish08 May 2012 #92
LOL.. dude, you gotta stop smoking dirt then.... dionysus May 2012 #41
Really? I wonder what it was I smoked with a friend last month then...... kestrel91316 May 2012 #46
it's a pro-prohibition website, aka self serving government propaganda.... mike_c May 2012 #5
I've known a LOT of smokers TroglodyteScholar May 2012 #6
there'll be people who are aggressive when high.. but they're douchebags who are dionysus May 2012 #42
The only thing I've ever seen a pot head aggressive about is food. vaberella May 2012 #49
I know a few people who completely lose their appetite when high waddirum May 2012 #129
Same here. Drunks and speed freaks yes hifiguy May 2012 #58
I can assure that this is not correct......... panader0 May 2012 #7
In other news: Masturbation makes you go blind bupkus May 2012 #9
"I'll quit when I need glasses!" LongTomH May 2012 #30
National Cannibis Prevention and Information Center??? longship May 2012 #10
National Cannibis Prevention and Information Center Webster Green May 2012 #17
Probably funded by big pharma and alcohol distributors. nt Comrade_McKenzie May 2012 #21
Actually, National == Australia longship May 2012 #43
Here's a German university study linking Marijuana to psychotic symptoms True Earthling May 2012 #23
Psychotic in this context JonLP24 May 2012 #94
Alternatively, aggressive people self-medicate with marijuana to make themselves less aggressive. nt Ian David May 2012 #11
That's possible loyalsister May 2012 #124
lol @ propaganda bullshit Go Vols May 2012 #12
lies fascisthunter May 2012 #13
This OP is almost comical. marmar May 2012 #14
Almost, if it weren't so incredibly disgusting. NT EOTE May 2012 #112
That website is NOT HONcode Certified. Ian David May 2012 #15
People, this statement is key... cynatnite May 2012 #16
I had a friend who reacted badly to his first fully stoned experience. tridim May 2012 #27
My choice is "Here, There, and Everywhere" waddirum May 2012 #130
It is a very common reaction; it is a "paranoid/self-conscious" not "paranoid/violent" type of thing inna May 2012 #138
Here's another unpicked cherry from one of the links... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #39
Good Catch ProfessorGAC May 2012 #93
In this case... I'll take anecdotal evidence over propaganda. nt Comrade_McKenzie May 2012 #18
Judging from personal experience, I don't trust this study. Jamaal510 May 2012 #22
I have an outburst right now Life Long Dem May 2012 #24
That doesn't prove cause and effect, IMO. Honeycombe8 May 2012 #25
That explains all the ax murders and what-not. JNelson6563 May 2012 #26
Marijuana use connected to aggression against Suzy Q's and Ding Dongs Autumn May 2012 #29
And Aggressive Giggling JimGinPA May 2012 #34
KNOW YOUR DOPE FIEND. YOUR LIFE MAY DEPEND ON IT! DefenseLawyer May 2012 #32
I would tear this OP up one side and down the other XemaSab May 2012 #33
This is ludicrous. MrSlayer May 2012 #36
Check out the facts in this important documentary!!1! pipoman May 2012 #37
bwahaahaahaha...Waiting for the link to the Onion! chiffon May 2012 #38
i can say with forty some years of personal experience this is utter horseshit. spanone May 2012 #40
LOL. If by aggressive, this means the menacing behavior of eating pizza and cookie dough myrna minx May 2012 #44
Hahahahahaha! Could have fooled me. the only aggression I kestrel91316 May 2012 #45
ROFL. I said the same thing. I have seen them seriously crazy about that. vaberella May 2012 #52
Go ahead: Show your naivete by arguing it ONLY makes you MELLOWWWW... cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #47
I don't understand your point at all. Even with the disclaimer. n/t vaberella May 2012 #50
The point is cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #54
ROFL. Are you suggesting that gang members are stoned when they commit their crimes? vaberella May 2012 #55
I don't need links. I grew up with vatos in Norwalk. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #61
Are you certain that it was the pot that makes them aggressive? Webster Green May 2012 #62
Doesn't make everyone think of cookie dough or pizza. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #72
Actually I don't. Hence the reason I asked for links and supporting evidence. vaberella May 2012 #66
Pulling out those teen years in 1970's Norwalk , eh? U4ikLefty May 2012 #118
Despite the people mocking you, I know what you say is true from experience Capt. Obvious May 2012 #132
You need to brush up on the concept of cause & effect. Webster Green May 2012 #59
"connected to" and "makes people aggressive" are two different things. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #75
Most of them stoned all the time? Chemisse May 2012 #91
There is a difference between weed and Sherm. MrSlayer May 2012 #133
Okay. By this post alone I realize you want to say Trayvon Martin deserved to die. vaberella May 2012 #48
+1 Starry Messenger May 2012 #90
After 45 years experience, Blue_In_AK May 2012 #51
Bwa-ha-ha! BULLLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT. Poll_Blind May 2012 #53
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^ Zorra May 2012 #68
No.1 thing I ascertained in this thread is that there are a lot of illegal drug users here. vaberella May 2012 #56
I could care less what they call us waddirum May 2012 #131
Oppressor!! Trying to take away my precious right to fry my brain however I choose! BlueIris May 2012 #57
some people don't need any help n/t RainDog May 2012 #67
You clearly fried yours long ago. EOTE May 2012 #114
Perhaps aggressive juvenile delinquents happen to use a lot of drugs cthulu2016 May 2012 #60
No doubt - some people should not use cannabis RainDog May 2012 #63
Correlation is not causation. HuckleB May 2012 #64
I think what you see here is the "boy who cried wolf" effect RainDog May 2012 #73
I don't buy it. HuckleB May 2012 #78
this post is not good science RainDog May 2012 #83
So, your anecdotes somehow overcome a decade of hostility and emotional rampage ... HuckleB May 2012 #84
I'm not supplying anecdotes. I posted links to science RainDog May 2012 #86
None of that has a thing to do with my response to the OP. HuckleB May 2012 #106
LOL. okay RainDog May 2012 #113
I think these studies ohheckyeah May 2012 #65
I only felt that once marlakay May 2012 #70
So Marijuana=Aggression=Okay to murder someone who smokes pot... ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #71
Low post count zimmerman apologists are a source of aggressive behavior on du. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #74
You might find one (or 25) in Meta. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #77
+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB May 2012 #79
Concern trolling at its best, and most passive aggressive. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #80
It was a good joke. HuckleB May 2012 #85
you realize screaming meemie is saying the OP is attacking Trayvon Martin, right? n/t RainDog May 2012 #88
Thanks RainDog. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #101
You realize that it's a joke, right? HuckleB May 2012 #105
Yes. Which is why I responded that he could find a study in H&M perhaps. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #100
Marijuana Use Connected To Munchies/Pink Floyd Concerts... WillyT May 2012 #76
pot made me paranoid and aggressive. provis99 May 2012 #81
You must be predisposed to support people like George Zimmerman then. cherokeeprogressive May 2012 #82
Nah, he's from the same hood in Norwalk as you. U4ikLefty May 2012 #121
True, if you run out of it. Rex May 2012 #87
It leads to irrational behavior, like drug warriors spending $60 Billion a year to keep it illegal. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #89
REEFER MADDNESS!!... Evasporque May 2012 #95
Well shit, Trayvon obviously was crazed and deranged and out for blood!1!! pinboy3niner May 2012 #96
Oh - Horseshit leftynyc May 2012 #97
Bullshit. 99Forever May 2012 #98
Only peacefreak May 2012 #99
and dumb ass blog posts are connected to gross, stupendous stupidity CatWoman May 2012 #102
Definitely! hobbit709 May 2012 #103
I voted to hide this crap. It violates *MY* community standards. Needed 2 more... nt Romulox May 2012 #107
Is this a "they drank milk, so that proves milk makes you violent" 2pooped2pop May 2012 #108
The bullshit is getting awfully thick around here. WilliamPitt May 2012 #109
Seriously. One of the most disgusting posts I've read on this subject. NT EOTE May 2012 #111
This is one of the most sickening and disgusting things I've ever seen posted on DU. EOTE May 2012 #110
More reefer madness RainDog May 2012 #115
Yeah, it's disgusting for multiple reasons. EOTE May 2012 #116
I notice this same person is all outraged about poor people taking illegal tax breaks RainDog May 2012 #119
Reminds me of that joke about teabaggers and the 1%. EOTE May 2012 #120
YOINK!!! U4ikLefty May 2012 #123
You're welcome to it, it's not mine :p NT EOTE May 2012 #126
You have to be pretty stupid to believe that shit. tabasco May 2012 #117
Hey, we'll see who's laughing when you or a loved one are killed in a Skittles related crime. EOTE May 2012 #122
Blatantly untrue, but even so... theaocp May 2012 #125
oh bullshit. one can find "studies" on any side of anything cali May 2012 #127
Yes, I agree Marijuana use can and does cause agression notadmblnd May 2012 #128
Teens & Pot otohara May 2012 #134
Just wait until you hit your 50's Oilwellian May 2012 #135
Lions & Tigers & Bears!!! H2O Man May 2012 #137
it is too strong for some people Beringia May 2012 #139
well my research was conducted over the entire decade of the 90s arely staircase May 2012 #140
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