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craigmatic

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15. The reason the republicans stopped winning so many electoral votes is because
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:30 AM
Jul 2015

the GI generation started dying off along with the silents. Now the only generations voting are Boomers, Xers, and Millennials. Only the Xers lean republican. Obama's win in 2008 was more of a realignment than 1992. Realigning elections are characterized by one party becoming so dominant that its ideas get co-opted by the other party.Think FDR running against the republicans in 1936 when the repubs said they'd run the new deal better and cheaper. The realignment sets the tone for the other party when they finally win power like Eisenhower refusing to dismantle the social safety net and going along with many of the domestic policies of FDR and Truman or like Nixon going along with many of LBJ's great society ideas. Clinton's wins and his resulting behavior in office seems more like how Eisenhower and Nixon co-opted the new deal. Clinton was following Reagan's lead whether he wanted to or not. He couldn't get healthcare done but he reformed welfare which was a republican idea. He got rid of Glass-stegall, pushed 3 strikes laws, and cut taxes. Compare that with President Obama and the results speak for themselves- Obamacare, Cash for clunkers, the stimulus, negotiations with Iran, Cuban diplomacy, gays serving openly in the military, killing Bin Laden, etc. Obama has had more impact and he hasn't had to bow down to republicans the way Clinton did. Look at Obama's coalition compared to Clinton's. Obama damn near had a movement behind him or minorities, gays, urban, young people, and labor. They were all engaged and active. Clinton in 1992 was more white and rural by comparison. Obama won decisively, had coattails , and used his power in a way Clinton couldn't. If we win next year it'll be proof of what I'm saying because Obama added NM, VA, NV and CO to the coastal blue wall and that'll make more of a difference than the rural states Clinton won.

People forget that Perot's support had dwindled to a trickle by election time. Chemisse Jul 2015 #1
his support didn't "seem" to come from both sides, ericson00 Jul 2015 #3
Clinton did not win a majority in 1996 either. former9thward Jul 2015 #2
How many elections in the last 125 years have a different popular vote & electoral vote winner? ericson00 Jul 2015 #5
Intersting you use "125 years" former9thward Jul 2015 #7
did you read the post? ericson00 Jul 2015 #8
Current System is Precarious mvymvy Jul 2015 #20
pork-barrel spending will never allow a national popular vote ericson00 Jul 2015 #21
Only 7 Swing States Expected in 2016 mvymvy Jul 2015 #35
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service friendly_iconoclast Jul 2015 #11
GOP talking points are disruptive ericson00 Jul 2015 #12
Still sore about it, huh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #23
Its not different than "I am not a scientist" ericson00 Jul 2015 #25
Republicans can shut their f'ing mouths ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #27
its amazing how on progressive blogs the myth is almost as popular ericson00 Jul 2015 #28
You hate election facts. former9thward Jul 2015 #32
also he did win a majority, a "relative majority", a synonym for plurality ericson00 Jul 2015 #37
Nice try but i don't buy that 1992 was a realigning election for a minute. craigmatic Jul 2015 #4
you sound like a Republican ericson00 Jul 2015 #6
1994? 1939 Jul 2015 #9
I'm talking about Presidential elections here ericson00 Jul 2015 #10
1800, 1828, 1932, 1980, 2008 those were realigning elections. If Clinton changed the electorate so craigmatic Jul 2015 #13
you can't win 'em all. And Gore was a media unsavvy gaffe machine. ericson00 Jul 2015 #14
The reason the republicans stopped winning so many electoral votes is because craigmatic Jul 2015 #15
Your definition of realignment leaves out 1968 ericson00 Jul 2015 #16
Most people don't consider 1968 realigning because policy didn't really change neither did craigmatic Jul 2015 #17
"most people?" ericson00 Jul 2015 #18
We'll just never agree on Clinton's importance. craigmatic Jul 2015 #22
Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #24
The electoral votes of CA, DE, MD, IL, ME, NH, VT, PA, MI, NJ, CT, ericson00 Jul 2015 #26
SCOTUS justices are the bare minimum of what we expect of a democratic president. craigmatic Jul 2015 #33
and so ought to be electoral votes. The guy who fought ericson00 Jul 2015 #34
EVs are important but so are coalitions and more importantly policy. craigmatic Jul 2015 #36
Also, if you, like me, are offended by the smear against the facts the Clintons, ericson00 Jul 2015 #19
If anyone has a WSJ account, ericson00 Jul 2015 #29
Rachel covered this tonight Gothmog Jul 2015 #30
I know! She was epic ericson00 Jul 2015 #31
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