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In reply to the discussion: To End Racism and Police Brutality, End Capitalism! [View all]Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)50. There are free wage laborers in this picture
Probably most of these white dudes.

Certainly the slave drivers, the overseers, alot of them were wage laborers.
I understand the slave trade took place in sort of a pre-capitalist period, the terms are debatable, we shouldn't bog down in terminology.
Mercantilism didn't really break down it just evolved into something slightly different.
Slavery didn't really break down either. The chains were cut, but the system of domination and exploitation continued in a slightly less brutal form.
Slavery by Another Name
"To most Americans, slavery ended with the Empancipation Proclamation. Slavery by Another Name gives voice to the largely forgotten victims and perpetrators of forced labor."
This 90-minute documentary challenges one of Americans' most cherished assumptions: the belief that slavery in this country ended with the Emancipation Proclamation. As chattel slavery came to an end in 1865, thousands of African Americans were pulled back into forced labor with shocking force and brutality. It was a system in which men, often guilty of no crime at all, werw coerced to do the bidding of masters. Tolerated by both the North and the South, forced labor lasted well into the 20th century.
http://www.pbs.org/black-culture/shows/list/slavery-by-another-name/
"To most Americans, slavery ended with the Empancipation Proclamation. Slavery by Another Name gives voice to the largely forgotten victims and perpetrators of forced labor."
This 90-minute documentary challenges one of Americans' most cherished assumptions: the belief that slavery in this country ended with the Emancipation Proclamation. As chattel slavery came to an end in 1865, thousands of African Americans were pulled back into forced labor with shocking force and brutality. It was a system in which men, often guilty of no crime at all, werw coerced to do the bidding of masters. Tolerated by both the North and the South, forced labor lasted well into the 20th century.
We still have slavery today in prisons, and cops are still policing black people like they were runaway slaves.
Even with non-slave labor I question how free people really are when debts and the need for work keep them begging for jobs and not always feeling so free. The capitalist class continues to benefit enormously from America's racial caste system. The system still uses white privilege to keep the descendants of slaves on the bottom, so there is huge supply of bodies to exploit for profit, either in jobs that pay crap or by locking in prison.
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Who said anything about Cuba? I thought we were talking about ending capitalism?
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#10
can you give examples where it has happened and racism or other bigotry went away ?
JI7
Jul 2015
#14
So you're talking about the psychology problem, like what makes people have hate in their heart ?
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#29
it's cultural also, the racist cops and others don't always benefit financially themselves
JI7
Jul 2015
#32
If we debate definitions we will not have time to discuss the heart of the issue
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#61
Worker owned cooperatives and banks, democratic workplaces, living wages, etc.
Dont call me Shirley
Jul 2015
#74
If you think racism in Cuba is bad you should take a look at the United States, it's 100 times worse
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#22
Are you talking about psychology, like what makes people have hate in their heart ?
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#25
I think you are confusing slave mode of production with slave as commodity in capitalist system.
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#44
I think you are confusing slave mode of production with slave as commodity in capitalist system.
Cheese Sandwich
Jul 2015
#41
The problem is that Marx never talked of Slavery as more than just a primitive form
nadinbrzezinski
Jul 2015
#198
what is the historical reality which shows end of capitalism resulted in end of racism
JI7
Jul 2015
#16
End capitalism? AS IF we are still a nation that practices capitalism! Not even close.
Rex
Jul 2015
#60
It's not 'red-baiting' when you started a thread proclaiming the superiority of Marxist ideas
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2015
#107
Yes Syriza is a shining example of what your New Economy will look like Nadin Imao....
AOR
Jul 2015
#183
So modern day American marxists have also given up on being at the forefront of the strugle
nadinbrzezinski
Jul 2015
#185
"Show me a successful Marxist country" is not a question that has any relevance....."
EX500rider
Jul 2015
#120
So no Mom & Pop stores. No technology. No furniture that you don't build yourself.
randome
Jul 2015
#70
Which people? Because the collective will never come to true consensus on anything specific.
FrodosPet
Jul 2015
#178
Bigotry and racism have existed always, there were ethnic purges and pogroms in ancient times.
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2015
#71
Bigotry against different culture probably...institutionlized racism... not even close.
AOR
Jul 2015
#81
Living in the U.S.S.R., wasn't too pleasant. They got rid of capitalism and their system collapsed.
demosincebirth
Jul 2015
#163