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Fred Sanders

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3. Article in OP yesterday said the permit conditions are strong and Shell may stop the exploration??

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:38 AM

Jul 2015

A permit condition requires the presence of a standby emergency ship capable of capping a leak within 24 hours....the ship is in repair in Seattle.

Another condition, similar to a previous years condition, does not permit drilling beyond a certain sedimentary layer that will severely restrict the depth....and only two drills are allowed.

This article passed over much of that and just says "environmentalists consider the permit conditions weak".

Why skip over those conditions with a generic term?

No problem with the protesting, but please be honest about it. Give credit where credit is due.

Obama is a climate change warrior, you are getting mad at the wrong guy.

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Cries of Betrayal, Calls to Organize as Obama Approves Arctic Drilling [View all] RiverLover Jul 2015 OP

k&r nt bananas Jul 2015 #1

Better yet, boycott Shell until they relent and any other company that thinks about going there. Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #2

Article in OP yesterday said the permit conditions are strong and Shell may stop the exploration?? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #3

May be a warrior, Jakes Progress Jul 2015 #8

That was highly illogical and unfactual. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #10

Great post. RiverLover Jul 2015 #16

Not a warrior, an enabler. Any drilling there, under any "conditions" is reckless. RiverLover Jul 2015 #13

A long and bumpy road is ahead for Big Oil, has Obama not made it clear he does not have a Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #22

A Stand By ship capable of "capping all leaks" does not exist. bvar22 Jul 2015 #36

Your rationalizations are sad for our environment. BP had great restrictions BUT NO ONE rhett o rick Jul 2015 #40

What in the actual fuck? MynameisBlarney Jul 2015 #4

Baloney. RiverLover Jul 2015 #18

I wish I could tell you how bad an idea this. roguevalley Jul 2015 #20

LOL Skittles Jul 2015 #25

Obama delivers for his "base" (again!!!!) nt Romulox Jul 2015 #5

Shell restricted from drilling into any oil-bearing rock layers - for now Divernan Jul 2015 #6

Good info. Thanks. RiverLover Jul 2015 #19

"Shell�s �capping stack� is on board an icebreaker.... bvar22 Jul 2015 #38

Nobody knows where the "oil bearing rock layers are. bvar22 Jul 2015 #61

I think Obama just put the car in reverse. jalan48 Jul 2015 #7

Not very impressive argument ya got there. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #11

Climate change warrior? Really? jalan48 Jul 2015 #23

What utter nonsense. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #28

How else to explain a 'climate warrior' allowing drilling in the pristine Arctic? jalan48 Jul 2015 #31

How are they spending it to get what they want? NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #32

Why do you think a climate warrior would allow drilling in that area? jalan48 Jul 2015 #33

G'head. NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #35

Wasn't "Drill, Baby, Drill" a campaign slogan for the Republicans in 2008? bvar22 Jul 2015 #39

Exactly. He's a lame duck President, there is no need for him to do this. Why is the question? jalan48 Jul 2015 #43

LOL jalan48 Jul 2015 #42

Just the kind of hard-hitting evidence ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #44

Maybe you can give me your theory on why he did this. jalan48 Jul 2015 #45

You state that Obama ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #46

True Believer I see. jalan48 Jul 2015 #47

Just someone who can't be bothered ... NanceGreggs Jul 2015 #48

Who gives a damn what the rationale is and what does being black have to do with anything? TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author Jakes Progress Jul 2015 #9

Perhaps Thespian2 Jul 2015 #12

His financial benefactors cashing in their chit's during his final time in office. NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #14

Nonsense. Not a shred of evidence or logic being used for an "argument" can makes one appear rather silly and shrill. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #49

presidents cant always do what the base would like, cut him some slack frankieallen Jul 2015 #15

ha! Well that's one lesson Obama has taught us over & over & over RiverLover Jul 2015 #17

no. he won't get any from me roguevalley Jul 2015 #21

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #41

alright then, what are the consequences if he doesn't push this? what DIRE NEED is he filling? MisterP Jul 2015 #24

Personally, I have already "cut him" lots of slack. ladjf Jul 2015 #56

Lived through one oil spill, Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #26

Betrayal? What are you talking about? Maedhros Jul 2015 #27

Heartbreaking to f up a pristine place chenildieu Jul 2015 #29

Drill baby drill MFrohike Jul 2015 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #34

"My policies are republican from the '80s"- Barack Obama nationalize the fed Jul 2015 #37

"Reagan is my hero." MoonRiver Jul 2015 #51

That statement disappointed me greatly. ladjf Jul 2015 #55

I really don't understand where he was coming from. MoonRiver Jul 2015 #57

In my opinion, many of the initiatives he has supported were more Republican ladjf Jul 2015 #59

Bingo. We can't call it betrayal, he is a 1980s Republican LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #52

The President is back to his old Republican tricks again. Too bad. ladjf Jul 2015 #53

Hope And Change - A Perpetual Betrayal cantbeserious Jul 2015 #54

Shell oil is a criminal organization WDIM Jul 2015 #58

Oh No fadedrose Jul 2015 #60