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107. The Q is- why should they have to act meek and comply with abuse!

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Should citizens always be submissive to law enforcement officers? [View all] higherarkies Jul 2015 OP

Until we fire EVERY single one of them and replace them with new standards and training randys1 Jul 2015 #1

I'm an elderly white woman and frankly I wouldn't cross them. Cleita Jul 2015 #4

Same with me. I'm a white male with long hair jakedsname Jul 2015 #7

I agree. It's safer to be cooperative, no matter who you are. Chemisse Jul 2015 #8

Yep. RiverLover Jul 2015 #98

I'm the same demographic as you and I wouldn't either. nt raccoon Jul 2015 #125

I ran into a female officer that exuded authoritarianism to the point that I was haikugal Jul 2015 #133

I had a run-in with a female cop during which she got out of her car yelling! Chemisse Jul 2015 #168

Yep! They're out of control...full of themselves and dangerous...they drip aggression. nt haikugal Jul 2015 #169

I do everything I am told during a police stop. No question. yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #48

She didnt and she is now dead. randys1 Jul 2015 #115

serious question... do you listen to the drew and mark radio show? Takket Jul 2015 #2

Glad you aksed. I hope the people that say just be nice to cops read this. bravenak Jul 2015 #3

a man with a gun dragging a woman out of her car. would you hire this man for anything? nt msongs Jul 2015 #6

Hell no. bravenak Jul 2015 #13

It seems like it would be a choice LWolf Jul 2015 #16

He is in JAIL now, but I know some of his victims. bravenak Jul 2015 #18

I'm glad he's in jail; LWolf Jul 2015 #21

Grew up in Iowa in white country - the entire police force was arrested for raping girls they pulled jwirr Jul 2015 #179

It's interesting you brought that up Oilwellian Jul 2015 #95

Yep. I still don't know the right answer. bravenak Jul 2015 #97

There is no one right answer to that Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #106

That is a good idea. Never let them move you. bravenak Jul 2015 #109

I wouldn't use the term 'submssive,' elleng Jul 2015 #5

I'm a senior - the 2 or 3 times I was 840high Jul 2015 #52

Yes it is, elleng Jul 2015 #55

That's exactly why you should double down on the politeness and humility Cleita Jul 2015 #134

It pays well to play their game. It's just really the smart way out of a ticket. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #9

"It works for everyone" BALONEY! BillZBubb Jul 2015 #12

Do you have any evidence TeddyR Jul 2015 #20

Start listening to black people. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #28

Yeah TeddyR Jul 2015 #36

WTF are you blathering on about. U4ikLefty Jul 2015 #51

seriously! the denial is ridiculous Solomon Jul 2015 #75

Yup. beevul Jul 2015 #78

Maybe You Are More RobinA Jul 2015 #82

now see, this is why I shouldn't have said anything. Solomon Jul 2015 #124

I imagine a lot of German citizens said the same kind of things in 1936. Maedhros Jul 2015 #130

"They Thought They Were Free" : tblue37 Jul 2015 #152

Odd that-- I'm getting that same precise sense in regards to your sincerity. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #175

And this happens to you, what, once in a blue moon? Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #60

You appear to be confusing submissiveness with simply being polite... LanternWaste Jul 2015 #174

Anyone resisting arrest (except very rare cases) either wants trouble seveneyes Jul 2015 #10

This CANDO Jul 2015 #45

...^ that 840high Jul 2015 #53

"Submissive" has a H2O Man Jul 2015 #11

Submissive is what is required when dealing with many of these police goons. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #14

Sometimes polite and respectful only prompts the officer to push harder. Maedhros Jul 2015 #131

Agreed. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #138

True. H2O Man Jul 2015 #157

Oh, I agree. Maedhros Jul 2015 #159

Respectful, yes. "Submissive"? Hmmm. MH1 Jul 2015 #15

A "Yessa Massa" may or may not get you beat or killed. nc4bo Jul 2015 #17

Should they instead fight the guy with a gun, a taser, and backup en route? NightWatcher Jul 2015 #19

There's a pretty big gap between dropping to your knees and giving a blow job pnwmom Jul 2015 #22

I'm not sure that Bland's responses to the police stopping her ever rose to the level of back-talk. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #176

Getting into a pissing contest with a cop is a losing proposition 99.9% of the time Lurks Often Jul 2015 #23

You should know the law, and do whats legally required. Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #24

The whole point of the stop was to catch her in something Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #25

Whether you like it or not TeddyR Jul 2015 #26

That has nothing to do with what I posted. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #27

Agreed TeddyR Jul 2015 #37

It's much worse than jaywalking Reter Jul 2015 #41

Same here. What the heck do people 840high Jul 2015 #54

I Thought RobinA Jul 2015 #83

And whether you like it or not, she was baited into doing so. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #177

Actually written warnings serve a purpose over verbal Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #33

Except he had to start some shit with her before handing Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #34

Both of them got agitated. 840high Jul 2015 #67

"Incorrect." beevul Jul 2015 #65

It's case law, well stablished Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #71

I'll believe it when I see it. beevul Jul 2015 #72

You couldn't be more wrong Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #74

I was thinking more of a turn signal violation. beevul Jul 2015 #77

FWIW Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #85

Try making that argument... beevul Jul 2015 #136

The pen is needed as part of the stop Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #156

Under the exact circumstances of the Bland stop? I very much doubt it. beevul Jul 2015 #158

If you rufuse and I feel its detrimental to me conducting the stop Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #164

Right. In other words... beevul Jul 2015 #166

Graham v. Connor, Michigan v. Summers, Muehler v. Mena aquamarina Jul 2015 #180

Keep in mind in may vary according to state law Lurks Often Jul 2015 #79

Of that I have no doubt. beevul Jul 2015 #80

all I know is what I would do Skittles Jul 2015 #29

There are several dynamics that come into play. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #30

Good post. hamsterjill Jul 2015 #120

There is a cop in Oklahoma who raped dozens of women who followed his orders CBGLuthier Jul 2015 #31

Agreed TeddyR Jul 2015 #38

Because the QUESTION was should you always follow LEO's orders CBGLuthier Jul 2015 #39

How do you know he killed her? Reter Jul 2015 #42

I must have missed that he killed her. 840high Jul 2015 #57

No, ot depends on dynamics involved, it's situational, AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #32

HELL NO!!! It's better to KNOW YOUR RIGHTS and you can use them against a jackboot! n/t Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #35

No. Sandra should have never exited her car. 7wo7rees Jul 2015 #40

Very bad advice. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #47

Terrible advice. 840high Jul 2015 #58

Sorry you two, I am not wrong. Call your attorney. 7wo7rees Jul 2015 #62

Yes I have an attorney. I also 840high Jul 2015 #66

Police experts say they have the right to ask you to get out of your car... Phentex Jul 2015 #94

There have been 2 US Supreme Court decisions affirming the right of police PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #96

Yes. I am one. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #102

Wow - I'm sorry, but that is worst legal advice I've seen in some time. Call an attourney??! Good jonno99 Jul 2015 #113

Refusing to exit your car is a crime. You can be arrested for that alone. Xithras Jul 2015 #144

Is that the law firm of mythology Jul 2015 #149

thank you, 7wo7rees. She knew her rights, but should have requested a chief soon as cop started his Sunlei Jul 2015 #129

If they want to live to see another day curlyred Jul 2015 #43

How not to get your ass kicked by the police Reter Jul 2015 #44

Rock on 840high Jul 2015 #59

Classic. KentuckyWoman Jul 2015 #70

LOLOL!! "If you have to give a friend a ride, get a white friend" LOLOLOL Sunlei Jul 2015 #114

Sooner or later somewhere incensed people are going to start seeking person revenge against kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #46

I'm pretty sure it ends somewhere short of a fucking blow job. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #49

blowjob? hyperbole much? but to answer your question, In general, yes. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #50

Substitute the words "submissive to" with "cooperative with". WillowTree Jul 2015 #56

No. Lint Head Jul 2015 #61

Submissive? No. beevul Jul 2015 #63

Agree 100% RobinA Jul 2015 #117

When pulled over, every cop I've ever met has asked one of two questions; lumberjack_jeff Jul 2015 #127

I completely agree with this post and particularly: Quayblue Jul 2015 #160

Bite it clean off and let the fucker explain to the judge how this happened Zorra Jul 2015 #64

Yes. Do what the cop wants, and file a complaint later, if appropriate. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #68

Wrong fight. KentuckyWoman Jul 2015 #69

I mirror their behavior. If they're nice, I'm the nicest guy in the world. Taitertots Jul 2015 #73

no, police are not allowed to even open your car door! Sunlei Jul 2015 #76

Per a Supreme Court decision a police officer can order you out of your car at a traffic stop. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #84

they have to give a reason to detain a person beyond the traffic stop. , a charge. Sunlei Jul 2015 #86

The traffic stop is the reason and is a detention Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #88

the traffic stop is over after the police officer runs every computer check to see if their 'catch' Sunlei Jul 2015 #91

Yes- the stop is over once the officer has concluded it Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #92

Thank you,so legal and polite. OR I"LL LIGHT YOU UP !!!! Sunlei Jul 2015 #132

"Since that had not happened yet, the stop was not over and she was still detained." beevul Jul 2015 #137

No Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #155

really stupid of police to ask why someone is upset! It's because a cop stopped them, duh! Sunlei Jul 2015 #167

No. The traffic stop itself is enough to lawfully order a person out of the car. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #90

nope, that police officer violated the womans civil rights,trumped up a punishment felony charge to Sunlei Jul 2015 #93

And you're basing this categorical assertion COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #104

everything he did to her violated her rights, including the profiling to stop in the first place. Sunlei Jul 2015 #111

It Didn't Look Like RobinA Jul 2015 #116

they can run the plate before they even stop 'some' people. a police car was behind her, before she Sunlei Jul 2015 #118

It Looked To Me RobinA Jul 2015 #122

I used to live in Bellaire, texas and see their police make the 'cheap stops' all day long right Sunlei Jul 2015 #126

You're just making a series of conclusory and legally COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #141

"his actions in orderering her out of the car and to extinguish her cigarette are all perfectly..." beevul Jul 2015 #147

It's like a cop telling you "stand up by the car, OK?" COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #150

It should be. beevul Jul 2015 #151

Unfortunately, the average person's idea of how the law and COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #153

White Middle-Aged RobinA Jul 2015 #81

It's all a matter of respect... kentuck Jul 2015 #87

I might be stepping out on this one, but, nilesobek Jul 2015 #89

Wow! What a story! kentuck Jul 2015 #103

That was Idaho and I was underage at the time. nilesobek Jul 2015 #170

When they brought me to court, finally, 3 weeks later, nilesobek Jul 2015 #172

Yes, your life will depend on it. Even then, there is no promise that you will keep breathing. Rex Jul 2015 #99

I know. I think I would rather be out in the open where someone might see me Phentex Jul 2015 #100

Me too. I would be very careful and slow to move an inch. Rex Jul 2015 #101

Always? Well, if I know I was in the wrong (speeding, not full-stopping, etc.), why would I jonno99 Jul 2015 #105

Why ask to put out a cig, it is her car and he pulled her over. Rex Jul 2015 #110

Agreed - he over-reacted. But common courtesy informs that you put out your cig...nt jonno99 Jul 2015 #112

I Don't Think RobinA Jul 2015 #121

Thanks - you make sense. nt jonno99 Jul 2015 #123

I think you are spot on. Rex Jul 2015 #145

That argument falls flat on its face. beevul Jul 2015 #148

There is an interesting thread now in GD, suggesting the officer made unlawful orders Rex Jul 2015 #143

The Q is- why should they have to act meek and comply with abuse! bettyellen Jul 2015 #107

I follow guidlines such as those from Flex Your Rights, a group that seeks to expand the Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #108

I know these guys. This is great information. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #119

an aquaintence in law enforecement shared these tips with me HFRN Jul 2015 #128

All of that is excellent advice and should be taken COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #146

Thank you. higherarkies Jul 2015 #135

Being Dead Right isn't much of a victory. One_Life_To_Give Jul 2015 #139

I told my kids "never argue with a man who uses a gun" mikehiggins Jul 2015 #140

No. Iggo Jul 2015 #142

Sandra Bland's only mistake was treating Encinia like an adult BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #154

Furthermore, she didn't refuse to put it out maxsolomon Jul 2015 #162

She was extremely reasonable BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #165

I mentor a group of young, (mostly) Black, males ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #161

Yes. It's very galling, but you don't win fighting cops on the street. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #171

I think that may be the biggest misunderstanding of LEO's? kentuck Jul 2015 #173

No, and record the whole interaction realFedUp Jul 2015 #163

Be polite and respectful, yes. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #178

check out this link: cloudythescribbler Jul 2015 #181

I gave them shit when I was younger Go Vols Jul 2015 #182

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