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Yo_Mama

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38. There is no doubt that this was a religiously motivated deed.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:57 AM
Jul 2015

He was depressed, he was failing at living the life Allah commanded, and dying in combat for Allah earned him forgiveness for all his sins, and even being wounded in combat for Allah does in at least one verse.

That doesn't mean that other Muslims have to do or are commanded to do the same - believing and doing good deeds is the path to paradise in the Koran. Martyrdom is the path to a glorious afterlife. Most Muslims would interpret a large part of "jihad" as the struggle you fight with yourself to turn away from evil.

If you cannot live a right life, dying a right death in the cause of Allah gets you mercy and glory.

It's in the Koran. And the blog with two posts and the text form the "witness" part of martyrdom.

I wouldn't call this terrorism. I would call it religiously-induced mass murder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid
So yes, he did this because he was Muslim, but also because he was a despairing Muslim. Suicide is a great sin in Islam; dying in combat for the cause of the ummah is not.

There's a whole lot of hellfire in the Koran, and if you are depressed and struggling with your own behavior, I suppose it is relatively easy to focus on verses like:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=114839

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.
[4.75] And what reason have you that you should not fight in the way of Allah and of the weak among the men and the women and the children, (of) those who say: Our Lord! cause us to go forth from this town, whose people are oppressors, and give us from Thee a guardian and give us from Thee a helper.
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[4.77] Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; but when fighting is prescribed for them, lo! a party of them fear men as they ought to have feared Allah, or (even) with a greater fear, and say: Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us? Wherefore didst Thou not grant us a delay to a near end? Say: The provision of this world is short, and the hereafter is better for him who guards (against evil); and you shall not be wronged the husk of a date stone.


http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=282392
[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain; a promise which is binding on Him in the Taurat and the Injeel and the Quran; and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? Rejoice therefore in the pledge which you have made; and that is the mighty achievement.
[9.112] They who turn (to Allah), who serve (Him), who praise (Him), who fast, who bow down, who prostrate themselves, who enjoin what is good and forbid what is evil, and who keep the limits of Allah; and give good news to the believers.


http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=874756
61.2] O you who believe! why do you say that which you do not do?
[61.3] It is most hateful to Allah that you should say that which you do not do.
[61.4] Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way in ranks as if they were a firm and compact wall.
...
[61.10] O you who believe! shall I lead you to a merchandise which may deliver you from a painful chastisement?
[61.11] You shall believe in Allah and H,is Apostle, and struggle hard in Allah's way with your property and your lives; that is better for you, did you but know!
[61.12] He will forgive you your faults and cause you to enter into gardens, beneath which rivers flow, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetuity; that is the mighty achievement;
[61.13] And yet another (blessing) that you love: help from Allah and a victory near at hand; and give good news to the believers.


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So this may have been another suicide by cop Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #1
sorry, i don't get the "suicide by cop" reference. nt clarice Jul 2015 #2
Suicide by Cop occurs when people want to die but do not want to kill themselves. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #4
Thanks for the heads up. nt clarice Jul 2015 #12
no, it was murder 6chars Jul 2015 #3
Suicide by cop speaks to motive. It does not make him a victim. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #6
cause 6chars Jul 2015 #9
Yes, but in Islam martyrdom in jihad is the great ticket to heaven Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #34
So you're assuming that just by being a Muslim it must mean he's a terrorist? Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #35
There is no doubt that this was a religiously motivated deed. Yo_Mama Jul 2015 #38
But beging motivated by religon does not mean it is terrorism. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #41
i don't think anyone is saying that chenildieu Jul 2015 #42
No, a suicide by cop would have sought armed cops Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #5
I wonder if he is in heaven, now. Wilms Jul 2015 #7
Nothing in Islam would justify these acts, pushing this type giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #8
Horrible on who's part? nt clarice Jul 2015 #13
There's enough horror available for many to use. Need not be merely one sharing it. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #14
The media & anyone who reposts the bullshit as facts. giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #18
Why do you think it's BS? I pulled the link from ABC news. nt clarice Jul 2015 #19
Because the religion of Islam doesn't promote violence giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #20
Why are people so adamant about NEVER blaming religion for ANYTHING? Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #21
Arugula...don't get big headed or anything...lol... clarice Jul 2015 #23
Aww, thanks! Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #24
man-ette. lol clarice Jul 2015 #25
I have a problem when we condemn an entire group of giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #27
correct Skittles Jul 2015 #33
I am not saying don't blame religion for anything. giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #40
With all due respect, and I will not post it here..... clarice Jul 2015 #22
With all due respect my boyfriend is Muslim & their faith giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #26
"No True Scotsman" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #28
WTF, does that even mean? giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #29
Uhm respectfully suggest you google "no true Scotsman" theory and religion riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #30
Religious people who try to disavow themselves from fundy nuts..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2015 #31
you obviously have not read the Koran. Case closed. nt clarice Jul 2015 #39
You obviously don't know any practing Muslim's & giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #46
Whatever. nt clarice Jul 2015 #47
I get where you are coming from chenildieu Jul 2015 #44
Yes, his sister's date nor do they wear the traditional giftedgirl77 Jul 2015 #49
That is bullshit. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #32
Thousands of Islamic leaders throughout the world are promoting Jihad against the west aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #43
Excellent. nt clarice Jul 2015 #48
I'm sorry, what is deplorable? The act? or the fact that someone posted it? nt clarice Jul 2015 #17
Slightly, just a tad, more deplorable is that many Muslims disagree with you whatthehey Jul 2015 #36
Religion -- promoting nonsense and lunacy for thousands of years. Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #10
bingo. nt clarice Jul 2015 #11
Right up there with nationalism and economics. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #15
Yep,that's why we have the Belgian Keynesian Society carving out a brutal regressive caliphate. whatthehey Jul 2015 #37
LOL zing! chenildieu Jul 2015 #45
+1 Go Vols Jul 2015 #16
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