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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
36. I'm not sure what you meant
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

Whether she committed suicide or not is entirely irrelevant to the fact that she shouldn't have been there in the first place.

But suicide is a leading cause of death. Because of social taboos around it, there is no family in the world that says, "Oh, yeah, no surprise that happened" when a family member commits suicide.

Other than terminal debilitating illness, in which case ending things before they are certain to get worse is more or less rational, there is no 'logic' or 'common sense' to suicide. People of all walks of life do it every day with zero warning whatsoever.

A common misconception is that someone gets really, really depressed and commits suicide. People who are deeply depressed are more often unmotivated to do much of anything. It's just when they start feeling and acting "better" that they commit suicide. Why? Because they aren't depressed anymore and can actually motivate themselves to do stuff - like committing suicide. (This, by the way, is the source of the accusations that anti-depressant medications make people commit suicide. They don't. But they do get depressed people up and around and doing stuff - like killing themselves.)

99% of what most people think about suicide is horseshit. And that, in itself, is why it remains a leading cause of death. We put a lot of effort into other "top ten" things like cancer and heart disease. You'd think "getting people not to kill themselves" is simpler than curing cancer but, year-in, year-out, suicide remains a leading killer. It's common. But, and yet again, because of the social nonsense about it, people don't even realize how common it is. It's 'impolite' to tell people that someone killed themselves.

Now, I have absolutely no idea how this woman died. A person under a lot of stress - and here was someone confined in a locked room over a traffic stop on her way to her new job, her new life - all of which got flushed down the toilet because she was going to stay there until someone came up with $5000 - might react in any of a number of ways. And nobody knows how they are going to react to something like that until it happens to them. Period.

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good old swift Texas justice! Now for a quick cremation!!!! n/t luvspeas Jul 2015 #1
Her body has already been returned to Illinois. WillowTree Jul 2015 #6
the family needs a Cyril Wecht (or similar) to repeat the autopsy and review all previous hlthe2b Jul 2015 #2
They said days ago that's what they'd be doing. Igel Jul 2015 #28
Now that is a- ruffburr Jul 2015 #3
That is very plausible for Arkansas and Texas. LiberalArkie Jul 2015 #4
Just heard that she was pretty tall, nearly 6 feet . . . brush Jul 2015 #5
It's possible to hang yourself with your feet on the ground mythology Jul 2015 #9
Sadly, some people "hang" themselves from the grab bars/hand rails in ada bathrooms. FSogol Jul 2015 #13
You think that's likely? brush Jul 2015 #19
"after all, how much trash is one prisoner generating?" jberryhill Jul 2015 #30
Likely? Igel Jul 2015 #32
My mom had a client successfully commit suicide with a pay phone cord. XemaSab Jul 2015 #49
Why was she in jail for three days for a minor traffic stop? Rex Jul 2015 #7
She was in jail for resisting arrest mythology Jul 2015 #12
What I find interesting about that sharp_stick Jul 2015 #14
that is a good point for our leadership to dig into 6chars Jul 2015 #37
What was she resisting arrest about? How can that be the only charge against a person? Rex Jul 2015 #16
That's muddled. Igel Jul 2015 #21
So why do they keep changing the story from 'resisting arrest' to 'assaulting an officer'. Rex Jul 2015 #24
Because she didn't make $5000 bail. Igel Jul 2015 #20
A 5000 dollar bail for a minor traffic violation? Rex Jul 2015 #25
Not for a minor traffic violation - resisting arrest and assaulting an officer nt COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #40
More like death by lynching malaise Jul 2015 #8
I heard her on the tape tell the cop she couldn't wait to sue his ass... luvspeas Jul 2015 #10
They didn't want another autopsy madville Jul 2015 #11
the family lawyer last night stated the state wanted another autopsy...live on lawrence o'donnell show spanone Jul 2015 #17
And the Waller County folk deny that they requested it. n/t Igel Jul 2015 #23
there ya go! spanone Jul 2015 #27
It's possible that she committed suicide sharp_stick Jul 2015 #15
If she was suffering from depression... Capn Sunshine Jul 2015 #48
One would expect evidence of a sexual assault to remain... Positrons Jul 2015 #51
The civil attorney said that not the prosecutor udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #18
well, that settles that. Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #22
30 cuts on her wrist? LittleBlue Jul 2015 #26
This part is suspicious to me. hamsterjill Jul 2015 #39
"so she wasn't trying to hide any cuts on her arms" jberryhill Jul 2015 #47
Respectfully, you've missed my meaning hamsterjill Jul 2015 #50
It makes your post clear jberryhill Jul 2015 #53
This better not end the investigation. PotatoChip Jul 2015 #29
"It's just common sense" jberryhill Jul 2015 #31
Ok, that was placed awkwardly within the paragraph. PotatoChip Jul 2015 #34
I'm not sure what you meant jberryhill Jul 2015 #36
When I practiced in Michigan I heard from COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #42
Maybe she thought the arrest would cost her the new job... Positrons Jul 2015 #52
Here is my question.. SummerSnow Jul 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author ghostsinthemachine Jul 2015 #35
Trash bags? IN a jail Cell? BWAAAAAAH! ghostsinthemachine Jul 2015 #38
Notice that is all being ignored by the cop apologists! Rex Jul 2015 #43
Cops know this too. ghostsinthemachine Jul 2015 #45
How come I'm not surprised? stage left Jul 2015 #41
If you imprison a diabetic, refuse him his medication, and only give him sugar to eat, KitSileya Jul 2015 #44
They also said they found her suffocated....wonder what really happened? n/t Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #46
Suicide is smoething many do not understand, myself included. There are those who are able to work Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #54
Still at Fault sub.theory Jul 2015 #55
First they said hanged, then suffocated, now back to hanged. RandySF Jul 2015 #56
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