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karynnj

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9. Frustrating and missused as it is, going to 50 votes plus VP will eliminate minority say on
Fri May 18, 2012, 07:46 AM
May 2012

everything. That's the way it is in the House. The Senate was suppose to be a brake on the House. That said, I think that 60 is too high, but the real problem is that the Republicans are unwilling to work with Democrats in finding the type of compromises that used to get 60 or even more votes. It really is not Democrats forcing party loyalty and putting up highly ideological bills.

In 2009, we briefly - for about 4 months - had a super majority, the Presidency and the House. From the Republican point of view, this led to us passing highly partisan bills that Republicans had no say in. This was not true - as witness the fact that the Senate lost about 3 months with the committee of 6 working to get a bill that could have Republican support.

Eliminating the filibuster - which the Republicans terrified Democrats with in 2005, when we did not have the Presidency, the Senate, or the House would benefit the Republicans more than us. The reason is that we want to build government programs, which is very hard and takes a huge amount of effort to get something that enough people want. They want to repeal Democratic programs - which is conceptually easy - just schedule a vote. (If they have the Presidency, the House and the Senate - and there is no filibuster, which they can enact, how long does the ACA last? After all McConnell was recently honest in saying they really were less interested in replacing it.

Then consider that they will cut taxes - while arguing the deficit needs to be cut and the military needs more money. Result - serious shredding of the already weak safety net. The filibuster is the only real tool the minority has. Hard as it is when we are in power, maybe it SHOULD take at least 60% of the Senate to make major policy change. (Maybe they could find a way to prohib its use on routine - always going to pass votes where it is used just to obstruct.)

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Who favours ending the filibuster? [View all] Prophet 451 May 2012 OP
derp again I owe a May 2012 #1
Don't allow it to be abused madokie May 2012 #2
Here is my proposal. RDANGELO May 2012 #3
End it OmahaBlueDog May 2012 #4
Go back to Filibuster Classic NoPasaran May 2012 #5
Should have included that option Prophet 451 May 2012 #8
+1 denverbill May 2012 #11
Agreed! Xyzse May 2012 #16
Yep. GoCubsGo May 2012 #18
I support this aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #22
I agree Johonny May 2012 #26
Yep, that's all that is needed. nt raouldukelives May 2012 #25
Exactly the right answer. ManiacJoe May 2012 #27
+1000 ellisonz May 2012 #28
Allow a filibuster to be ended by a simple majority. 99Forever May 2012 #6
The Senate can already stop a filibuster at any time with a simple 51 vote majority. Zorra May 2012 #12
You mean that our Democratic apologists have been lying to us? 99Forever May 2012 #15
Hmmm. I'd call it, Zorra May 2012 #19
I can't count how many times... 99Forever May 2012 #21
I hear ya. It's a "mystery". nt Zorra May 2012 #29
It's becoming the default, end it get the red out May 2012 #7
Frustrating and missused as it is, going to 50 votes plus VP will eliminate minority say on karynnj May 2012 #9
Tier the filibuster. Arkana May 2012 #10
no such thing as "the" filibuster unblock May 2012 #13
Other. End it, but restore it if and when the Republicans become the majority party (nt) Nye Bevan May 2012 #14
That sounds ideal :) Prophet 451 May 2012 #17
How would you accomplish that? Llewlladdwr May 2012 #20
+1, the filibuster is an important tool to protect the minority party hughee99 May 2012 #23
It's time. mmonk May 2012 #24
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