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chenildieu

(19 posts)
16. When I try to understand the POC viewpoint
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:57 PM
Jul 2015

I fall back on my own experiences as a woman. I imagine how I would feel if, instead of BLM charging into Netroots, it had been angry loud proud feminists demanding accountability for the murders, rapes, at-home beatings, fear, intimidation, ridicule, sexual harassment, and just plain disrespect females face every day.

What I come up with is: while I might, among feminist friends, criticize an angry disruptive demonstration as being nonproductive or making the cause look bad, I could never tolerate a male (other than a committed, proven women's activist) criticize a feminist protest. After a lifetime of being threatened, abducted, abused, and repeatedly "put in my place" by many of the non-females in my life, when I hear any male non-feminist criticize feminism I just wanna scream "WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW WE FEEL AND WHAT WE SUFFER? How dare you toss out your opinion about what we "should" do or how we "should" behave We are getting targeted for violence and humiliation every effing day - and you have no goddamn idea what it's like, so don't wag your goddamn finger at us!"

And it's funny, because that is exactly what a lot of DU black posters are saying when Bernie supporters say - probably with fine intentions - "I wish BLM had done things differently at Netroots."

So what's the moral? People in a downtrodden group don't want to hear any "Well, but, you people should... Blah blah blah" stuff from an outsider -- most especially from an outsider who comes from the dominant group (the group that has always sailed above the oppressed group's suffering enjoying their total safety without a second thought, and whose comrades have happily inflicted said suffering on the oppressed group).

I dunno, maybe if we all kept in mind that some groups bear open wounds, things would go more smoothly and respectfully? I am actually not a big fan of 'tiptoeing political correctness,' especially when it comes to ideologies and religions - But when it comes to understandable human emotions, it is pretty natural that people who have spent their lives being kicked around by People Like Me, don't want to hear me criticize their way of looking at things.

(Which, I admit, does make dialogue hard. I have no easy answers. Just tossing out my thoughts.)

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Nothing wrong with being "angry" about racist cops, Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #1
but some white people get more pissed off about the phrase "white privilege" or geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5
which is probably why it's a good idea to follow President Obama's example and avoid the term. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #6
but isn't a cruel irony that the first black president has to watch his words and watch geek tragedy Jul 2015 #7
In this case, I don't think so. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #10
white privlege is a state of mind and fact heaven05 Jul 2015 #19
So do you think President Obama has made a mistake by never uttering the phrase "white privilege" Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #20
I know how free heaven05 Jul 2015 #23
You're welcome! (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #24
I cringe when he walked back calling the arrest of a black professor at his own home "stupid' Scootaloo Jul 2015 #29
not only a cop, but a white cop. black president criticizing a white cop geek tragedy Jul 2015 #31
no shit. some white people believe discussing noiretextatique Jul 2015 #38
^^^This.....nt artislife Jul 2015 #13
Incredibly powerful ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #2
"Let me not be silent in the face of uncomfortable truths" sheshe2 Jul 2015 #3
GREAT point. calimary Jul 2015 #4
Okay sheshe2 Jul 2015 #12
Well, the only point I was trying to make, in how-ever clumsy a fashion, was that calimary Jul 2015 #21
Actually, the size of the photo is right. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #22
... ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #15
Going to read the link now. Thanks for posting. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #8
It's amazing freshwest. sheshe2 Jul 2015 #11
K&R Solly Mack Jul 2015 #9
K&R brer cat Jul 2015 #14
When I try to understand the POC viewpoint chenildieu Jul 2015 #16
What a great response. YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #33
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #17
profound and so very, very true heaven05 Jul 2015 #18
What happened to Bravenak? nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #25
got some OP's and responses hidden in quick succession heaven05 Jul 2015 #26
Assholes awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #32
yep heaven05 Jul 2015 #35
frankly, i don't get the problem with sanders noiretextatique Jul 2015 #39
It is shocking to find that kind of push-back here, though. MADem Jul 2015 #27
"The entire discussion of race in America centers around the protection of White feelings" sufrommich Jul 2015 #28
Yup ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #30
Very powerful and thoughtful YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #34
Sorry, I find this sort of thing very divisive and disingenuous. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #36
White liberal here, too...but I am not afraid or feel guilty to admit there's a "tribal identity" haele Jul 2015 #40
I agree with just about everything you wrote. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #41
And that dear friends is called white fragility. craigmatic Jul 2015 #37
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