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SheilaT

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8. 45 years ago it was a common meme that

Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:33 PM

Jul 2015

Social Security and Medicare wouldn't be here when we, my age mates, would retire. I'd argue with them then that if they persist in thinking that way, they'll only make it easy to take Social Security and Medicare away from us.

I'm now 66, on Medicare, not yet collecting Social Security, and it grieves me mightily that the youngsters persist in being willing to believe these things won't be there for them.

We all pay into it. We all deserve to benefit.

The problem with those who think we need to "reform" them is that they simply don't know anyone at all who actually depends on Social Security or Medicare, and they think it's really easy to do without them. They haven't a clue. They need to be required to live for at least a year on a minimum wage, in a public contact job. With no health insurance. A year, minimum.

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Elderly woman rips Jeb in townhall: "I paid into that for years - now you want to take it away? [View all] kpete Jul 2015 OP

The Bush sons are snotty rich kids who despise working people. Kingofalldems Jul 2015 #1

I couldn't agree more! City Lights Jul 2015 #11

at least W. could fool people, ericson00 Jul 2015 #36

Could W really fool people, though? merrily Jul 2015 #52

He had massive media support to bolster his credentials. Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #69

Yes, but did that fool many? Fooled no Democrats I know. merrily Jul 2015 #70

Not sure what more Gore could have done. Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #71

That is a different issue from whether Bush fooled anyone. merrily Jul 2015 #72

Never. But, I do believe it took a concerted behind the scenes effort to Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #74

+1000. HughBeaumont Jul 2015 #101

The ONLY people he fooled ... staggerleem Jul 2015 #109

...... merrily Jul 2015 #111

Capable staff? MyOwnPeace Jul 2015 #134

They assured us they were capable. Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #136

He did fool the people. RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #91

Were you duped? Did you buy what he was saying? merrily Jul 2015 #97

Yes/no he fooled people. I'd say many were fooled and others wanted exactly what he was... Moonwalk Jul 2015 #105

The lying murdering deserter w fooled NO ONE LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #150

Amen..... daleanime Jul 2015 #37

The Bushes Have Never Gotten It! Chasstev365 Jul 2015 #63

Lift the income cap that is subject to contributions TexasTowelie Jul 2015 #2

Exactly! n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #15

You are SO right....! nt Grey Jul 2015 #24

+1 Alkene Jul 2015 #50

Grover Norquist would not approve your solution. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #60

Is there a cap for Medicare deductions? nt JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2015 #88

No. TexasTowelie Jul 2015 #122

Excellent and informative post D Gary Grady Jul 2015 #153

Exactly paleotn Jul 2015 #137

bush wants privatized accounts so his corporate friends can steal all the $$ like 2008 nt msongs Jul 2015 #3

Bingo! ^ world wide wally Jul 2015 #16

Precisely! JDPriestly Jul 2015 #42

Give more money to Wall Street and less service/benefit to average people! stillwaiting Jul 2015 #57

wonder why nobody stole my retirement investments in 2008.... whatthehey Jul 2015 #67

You were fortunate with what happened to you during the 2008/2009 period then. haele Jul 2015 #107

Great response! DebJ Jul 2015 #139

Bush ain't too bright if he thinks he can cut medicare fadedrose Jul 2015 #4

They might succeed if they convince younger generations they won't get it anyway and older Dustlawyer Jul 2015 #20

Bernie wants to raise the caps fadedrose Jul 2015 #68

They ought to do away with caps altogether. Make them pay 100% like the rest of us. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #86

Yeah, they've been trying to convince the younger generations that there won't be SS for them. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #83

The whole system is hand-to-mouth, you know that, don't you? customerserviceguy Jul 2015 #152

I hate that word --entitlement!! good on that lady. riversedge Jul 2015 #5

�It�s not an entitlement,� BOOM! About fucking time someone said it. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #6

It's too bad the word got ruined because it actually means the opposite of what many people think. pnwmom Jul 2015 #12

I realize I didn't put any nuance into my reply but it's true. It Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2015 #14

The GOP is determined to STEAL our retirement to fund their lifestyle. freshwest Jul 2015 #17

Ask Bush to qualify it to be needing to reform UNEARNED entitlements! cascadiance Jul 2015 #133

Do you think Bush was actualy talking about Welfare? ieoeja Jul 2015 #157

Yes indeed!!! That word was LUNTZed before that turd Luntz appeared on the scene with his shitty MADem Jul 2015 #22

The word-conflation was strategic JHB Jul 2015 #61

Real definitions have no place in American Politics. Entitlement is used by all the GOP'rs harun Jul 2015 #96

you don't have to pay in for it to be an entitlement Hamlette Jul 2015 #141

I believe that the GOP is ... aggiesal Jul 2015 #23

If we are not entitled to Medicare and Social Security then they are not JDPriestly Jul 2015 #44

A technical quibble about trust funds D Gary Grady Jul 2015 #154

Taxes should be assessed on inheritances including all the loophole passing of money JDPriestly Jul 2015 #155

Please continue, JEB! vanlassie Jul 2015 #7

45 years ago it was a common meme that SheilaT Jul 2015 #8

I'm sick of having to choose between two very, very rich people when I vote. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #45

Yep. SheilaT Jul 2015 #46

I think saying you are "flat broke" is a Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #58

The Clintons were not born into wealth the way the Bush kids were LynneSin Jul 2015 #75

Good point! AwakeAtLast Jul 2015 #130

Clintons not born into wealth katmille Jul 2015 #156

The only reason why I believe SS won't be there for me (I'm 30)... strategery blunder Jul 2015 #80

What a coincidence: I starting paying into Social Security 45 years ago... KansDem Jul 2015 #85

Fuckin A, yessiree, Ma'am� we sure DID pay for it... MrMickeysMom Jul 2015 #9

......they don't call it the 3rd rail for nuttin, Jebbie. nc4bo Jul 2015 #10

Zzzzzaaappp.... Marie Marie Jul 2015 #13

Ha ha ha, the most reliable voting block! Azzhat he is. I'll bet Poppy is on Medicare! TheNutcracker Jul 2015 #18

Jeb should talk to his brother, the source of the problem..... CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #19

Your statement .. aggiesal Jul 2015 #26

Even worse... Kensan Jul 2015 #120

Every single senior needs to react like that. Chemisse Jul 2015 #21

What about the supplemental insurance? PADemD Jul 2015 #25

Those people have NEVER been able to explain their business model.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #33

BEAUTIFUL!!!! K&R X 1,000 PatrickforO Jul 2015 #27

Medicare is an earned benefit along with Social Security. Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #28

Video clip udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #29

He is so the spitting image of his father in that clip. closeupready Jul 2015 #84

Thank you for that! Enjoyed the clip. n/t SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #121

You are welcome. He's so smug n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #123

Thanks for the clip now I'm really banging my head against the wall........ DebJ Jul 2015 #140

They want to convert Social Security into a government run pension fund and then rip it off.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #30

Rich people need special rules placed on them Dr Rise Jul 2015 #31

"Entitlement" is what Jeb! inherited when he won the genetic lottery Warpy Jul 2015 #32

Republican Playbook Diremoon Jul 2015 #34

Bravo, lady! catrose Jul 2015 #35

Jeb is lying-Medicare is not failing Gothmog Jul 2015 #38

reform our entitlement system hibbing Jul 2015 #39

Yes,M'am oldandhappy Jul 2015 #40

Good for her! murielm99 Jul 2015 #41

Medicare and Social Security are not entitlements they are benefits earned StarzGuy Jul 2015 #43

repeating all this garbage often enough makes those who do not know history or yellowdogintexas Jul 2015 #147

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #47

k&r nt steve2470 Jul 2015 #48

I am entitled to it the same way I am entitled Generic Other Jul 2015 #49

Good for her. New Democrats also refer to "entitlements" merrily Jul 2015 #51

Looks like we're all doing it now. I mean referring to Jeb Bush by his first name only eridani Jul 2015 #53

True. Perhaps we can modify that... JHB Jul 2015 #62

Call him John - that's his first name - really throw him for a loop! Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #93

His name is John Ellis Bush. jeff47 Jul 2015 #103

It's funny how republicans roll the word entitlement off their tongues as if they don't understand B Calm Jul 2015 #54

Good for her. Follow up questions n2doc Jul 2015 #55

Pay back what you "A-holes "borrowed" from S.S. and it will be fine. bobGandolf Jul 2015 #56

All too rare that cause and effect happen so quickly Babel_17 Jul 2015 #59

What Wall St investors pay for, we all have to live with. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #64

�It�s not an entitlement,� the woman shot back. �I earned that.� Bravo, I am woman, hear me roar! yellowcanine Jul 2015 #65

He's right about one thing Fritz Walter Jul 2015 #66

Amen! And welcome to DU! classof56 Jul 2015 #77

Jeb is just another failed Presidency in the making! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #125

Isn't it amazing that the rich daybranch Jul 2015 #73

Meet the New Bush tblue Jul 2015 #76

Well said. avaistheone1 Jul 2015 #148

Bush is a lying piece of shit. Helen Borg Jul 2015 #78

Love me some threads where Bernie and Hillary supporters are all in agreement. eom navarth Jul 2015 #79

+1 JoePhilly Jul 2015 #99

+ 2 irisblue Jul 2015 #132

"ENTITLEMENT" - funny how that works packman Jul 2015 #81

Whoever this woman is, I'd like to give her a big hug! hamsterjill Jul 2015 #82

And therein lies part of the problem. blackspade Jul 2015 #87

Well you ARE "entitled" to it because you DID pay for it. Lex Jul 2015 #89

Exactly. blackspade Jul 2015 #98

Bush is going to rue the day he opened his big stupid mouth on this topic... steve2470 Jul 2015 #90

No shit, Gramma! Hepburn Jul 2015 #92

And I thought GW was stupid! LOL! EndElectoral Jul 2015 #94

�It�s not an entitlement,� the woman shot back. �I earned that.� Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #95

�It�s not an entitlement,� the woman shot back. �I earned that.� muntrv Jul 2015 #100

excellent call back. "It's not an entitlement, I earned that". Not only did she earn it, she paid still_one Jul 2015 #102

Go Granny Go! abakan Jul 2015 #104

It is not about stupidity or not getting it; chapdrum Jul 2015 #106

I almost always hear "entitlement" used in a negative way... C Moon Jul 2015 #108

Life or death Johnny2X2X Jul 2015 #110

He didn't learn anything being Governor of Florida? HockeyMom Jul 2015 #112

apparently not steve2470 Jul 2015 #115

what is amazing is Keep-Left Jul 2015 #113

Go, granny, go!! lark Jul 2015 #114

AFAIC, Jeb Bush is a DFW. Politically. DinahMoeHum Jul 2015 #116

I would love to call her my grandma! d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #117

Raise the cap on SS-taxable earnings (i.e., make the rich pay more�� snot Jul 2015 #118

Useful lesson from the past PATRICK Jul 2015 #119

He's not even gonna try with the "compassionate conservative" bullshit wolfie001 Jul 2015 #124

But see....they view it like "Health Insurance". glinda Jul 2015 #126

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #127

Jeb so going to lose. LuckyTheDog Jul 2015 #128

It IS an entitlement. That is not the issue. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #129

the political stratum sees us as greedy geezers and dependent deadbeat ballast MisterP Jul 2015 #131

GOOD FOR HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! eom LiberalElite Jul 2015 #135

Damn straight it's not an 'entitlement'... Gumboot Jul 2015 #138

K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Jul 2015 #142

Good for her. Vinca Jul 2015 #143

Jeb gets more desperate and idiotic by the minute. NaturalHigh Jul 2015 #144

This issue is DOA for the Monkey's Brother aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #145

All of them are doing this on purpose greymattermom Jul 2015 #146

k&r avaistheone1 Jul 2015 #149

She's absolutely right davidpdx Jul 2015 #151

Even after you retire, you continue to pay into Medicare based on your income LoisB Jul 2015 #158