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In reply to the discussion: Nudity, Art and Scandal in Paris! “Olympia” by Edouard Manet [View all]eppur_se_muova
(41,685 posts)17. Mark Twain was being sarcastic, as usual.
He proposed that "it was painted for a bagnio, and it was probably refused because it was a trifle too strong", adding humorously that "in truth, it is a trifle too strong for any place but a public art gallery".
As for Mark Twains reaction after having entered the Uffizi Gallery and laid his eyes upon Venus of Urbino, his words are taken terribly out of context. Internet articles quote him constantly as proof of the paintings offensiveness, but they are missing the larger point. The entire passage needs to be read. Like the humorist and social commentator that he was, Twains expression of moral outrage was not literal but feigned to make a point about artistic incarnation.
Twain writes:
If I ventured to describe that attitude there would be a fine howl but there the Venus lies for anybody to gloat over that wants to and there she has a right to lie, for she is a work of art, and art has its privileges. I saw a young girl stealing furtive glances at her; I saw young men gazing long and absorbedly at her, I saw aged infirm men hang upon her charms with a pathetic interest. How I should like to describe her just to see what a holy indignation I could stir up in the world yet the world is willing to let its sons and its daughters and itself look at Titians beast, but wont stand a description of it in words.
Twain is making the rather astute observation that a written description of such a scene a woman touching herself would prompt horror and discomfort, and probably cause the author to be run out of town. But a visual depiction which carries beautiful, decorative qualities of technique and composition along with the scene makes a sexy, lascivious painting tolerable, even acceptable, for it is still a glorious, timeless expression of nudity and sexuality despite pushing the boundaries of social mores. It is still celebrated, still embraced. Twain believes that he would never get away with it if he described it in writing and that painters are given more latitude. I think he has a point, dont you? Processing words is a different mental exercise than processing images. Could it be that one of them makes us squirm more than the other?
https://artmodel.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/mark-twain-looks-at-titians-venu/
Twain writes:
If I ventured to describe that attitude there would be a fine howl but there the Venus lies for anybody to gloat over that wants to and there she has a right to lie, for she is a work of art, and art has its privileges. I saw a young girl stealing furtive glances at her; I saw young men gazing long and absorbedly at her, I saw aged infirm men hang upon her charms with a pathetic interest. How I should like to describe her just to see what a holy indignation I could stir up in the world yet the world is willing to let its sons and its daughters and itself look at Titians beast, but wont stand a description of it in words.
Twain is making the rather astute observation that a written description of such a scene a woman touching herself would prompt horror and discomfort, and probably cause the author to be run out of town. But a visual depiction which carries beautiful, decorative qualities of technique and composition along with the scene makes a sexy, lascivious painting tolerable, even acceptable, for it is still a glorious, timeless expression of nudity and sexuality despite pushing the boundaries of social mores. It is still celebrated, still embraced. Twain believes that he would never get away with it if he described it in writing and that painters are given more latitude. I think he has a point, dont you? Processing words is a different mental exercise than processing images. Could it be that one of them makes us squirm more than the other?
https://artmodel.wordpress.com/2010/07/02/mark-twain-looks-at-titians-venu/
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Totally useless? I don't think so! Bits of info like that are wonderful for impressing
1monster
Jul 2015
#21
It's all just art history...how this stuff developes from once era to another...
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#23
So very right. But I love the fact that she presents herself on her own terms...
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#10
In all my research on this painting I have never encountered that argument...but I
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#16
and I'm not sure how conscious that evolution is but it does happen often in art first...
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#72
Yes, I do get it. and thanks for that. I am remembering that in the earlier days of
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#24
Wonderful post. Ashcroft's "nude" curtaining & Mrs Cheney's NEA censorship of Maplethorpe
stuffmatters
Jul 2015
#20
Thank you, CTyankee! This is fascinating! And finally, something Mark Twain hates
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#22
Puccini is to die for...just lovely. I think I love Tosca best..."vissi d'arte, vissi amore..."
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#35
If you get to Florence, Italy try to take a side trip to Lucca, Puccini's birthplace.
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#47
I have another one ready for two weeks from now and am in the research process
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#50