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gobears10

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Fri Jul 24, 2015, 06:54 PM Jul 2015

Is our society too PC? This article says Seinfeld was racist, sexist, and homophobic at times... [View all]

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In your view, has our society become too sensitive? Many comedians feel that today, we are addicted to the rush of being offended. Comedians ranging from Chris Rock to Amy Schumer have asserted that excessive political correctness is undermining free speech, expression, and liberties. It is a form of "social censorship" in which in an attempt to shield marginalized groups from harm, the PC police is being counter-productive, going too far and killing comedy in the process. We can help combat genuine sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. that comes from a place of hate, without being the word police, PC police, the anti-humor police.

Comedians lamenting free speech include Chris Rock, Amy Schumer, Bill Maher, Jerry Seinfeld, John Cleese (of Monty Python), Russell Peters, Daniel Lawrence Whitney, Lisa Lampanelli, and various others. Comedians who have gotten in trouble for "politically incorrect statements" include Stephen Colbert (#CancelColbert), Jon Stewart, Trevor Noah, Joan Rivers, Seth MacFarlane. and others. In the past, we had liberal comedians like George Carlin and Bill Hicks critique excessive PC culture and oversensitivity.

I do think there is some truth to the notion that in some ways, our society is becoming too PC in some areas. I read this Salon article entitled, "10 'Seinfeld' episodes that are racist and sexist in retrospect." Here's a link: http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/10_seinfeld_episodes_that_are_racist_and_sexist_in_retrospect_partner/

In my view, this article misses the point of the show entirely. Seinfeld was to make fun of self-absorbed, privileged people and horrify us at their shallow, uncaring attitude. It punched up, mocking their constant negativity, never portraying the main cast as the "good guys." This was done intentionally, so we could see how a bunch of clownish idiots live, and from this the comedy was derived. 99% of the people who watched this show understood this intuitively. But apparently, we still need to explain it explicitly to the PC police who don't how to have any fun.

This article completely reinforces Jerry Seinfeld's recent comments about how society has become excessively PC, with people saying "that's racist," "that's sexist" without knowing what these words mean. The author's piece epitomizes the sort of hyper-critical, overly-sensitive assessments shutting down a lot of thoughtful comedians, social critics, and commentators. To me, this article is the "boy who cries wolf" versions sexism and racism: the author is going out of their way to find racist and sexist subtexts in the show about which to be offended. The show is tounge-and-cheek, not at all meant to be taken seriously; therefore, going out of your way to take it seriously is ridiculous to me. In my view, instead of wasting our time on such trivial issues, let's be productive and fight actual, marginalizing instances of sexism and racism.

My fear is that if some people are too sensitive about minor issues, people who would otherwise be socially progressive are turned off and won't support efforts to overturn actual sexist and racist policies. Of course, political correctness isn't just a thing on the left: if you make a joke about Israel, plenty of right-wingers will automatically label you "anti-Semitic."

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I agree olddots Jul 2015 #1
How would I know? LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #2
I loved Speedy Gonzalez when I was a young lad. hifiguy Jul 2015 #20
The writer of that piece is either clueless or deliberately stretching things. arcane1 Jul 2015 #3
EXACTLY gobears10 Jul 2015 #9
Being offended is becoming a national pastime. arcane1 Jul 2015 #11
+1 Hissyspit Jul 2015 #32
I think it's gone a bit overboard aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2015 #4
I recently watched Eddie murphy raw Egnever Jul 2015 #5
LOL I had that same experience last year! I actually sought it out... arcane1 Jul 2015 #6
To this day when camping Egnever Jul 2015 #8
That's going to be stuck in my head all day now arcane1 Jul 2015 #10
I posted about Eddie Murphy being homophobic and misogynistic and was Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #44
you can get away with anything, so long as it's funny geek tragedy Jul 2015 #7
You should check out Redd Foxx's comedy routines. X_Digger Jul 2015 #13
Redd did not cater to sensitive types. hifiguy Jul 2015 #19
Humor and standup comedy in the U,S., is gone, thanks to politcal correctness. I feel we may, demosincebirth Jul 2015 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #14
I'm tired of the HappyMe Jul 2015 #15
Hell's bells, it goes on here at DU all the time, hifiguy Jul 2015 #18
Ah yes, the angle of the picture and the ass.... HappyMe Jul 2015 #22
Even after literally DOZENS of Spider Man panels with Peter Parker hifiguy Jul 2015 #24
Is this the one? MicaelS Jul 2015 #28
That's it, and to quote the great Bette Davis hifiguy Jul 2015 #31
Night, not flight. :) DawgHouse Jul 2015 #51
I don't like Seinfeld. hunter Jul 2015 #16
Don't watch it. HappyMe Jul 2015 #23
I sat through a few episodes of Seinfeld as a guest, to be polite. hunter Jul 2015 #42
It is fortunate that none of these precious, delicate souls hifiguy Jul 2015 #17
Salon panders to the lowest common denominator nowadays LittleBlue Jul 2015 #21
Yep. 840high Jul 2015 #41
I think everyone just needs to sit down NobodyHere Jul 2015 #25
Thread winner! TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #26
Speaking of...... hifiguy Jul 2015 #33
Just throwing this out there (again) wheniwasincongress Jul 2015 #27
Back in the mid-90's I saw a woman who was a late night tv producer Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2015 #29
there was an article awhile back at one of the feminist sites about tv Doctor_J Jul 2015 #30
Heading for a karmacoma seveneyes Jul 2015 #34
The article nails it... Positrons Jul 2015 #35
Yes, I still long for the days when you could call people all sorts of names, and then tell them to Sheldon Cooper Jul 2015 #36
None of which ever came close to happening on Seinfeld. Strawman much? arcane1 Jul 2015 #38
Well, in case you missed it, I'm not the only one talking about our society Sheldon Cooper Jul 2015 #52
PCness is used by the RW as to tool shut down discussion of issues. nt valerief Jul 2015 #37
I agree... gobears10 Jul 2015 #39
What irrational leftists? You mean the RWers who disguise themselves as lefties? valerief Jul 2015 #47
There are plenty of irrational intolerant liberals too Democat Jul 2015 #50
Again, it's that agenda thing. If I was being paid to harass the left, that's how I'd do it. valerief Jul 2015 #56
as more and more communication is via the written word and less by human contact we have lost Hiraeth Jul 2015 #40
Yes, we have definitely become to PC. TM99 Jul 2015 #43
Tune in for Sola Agustsson's next article... Dr. Strange Jul 2015 #45
Word police scare me. Go Vols Jul 2015 #46
I hate the term PC. KentuckyWoman Jul 2015 #48
Everyone is racist, sexist, and homophobic at times... MattSh Jul 2015 #49
Mostly Seinfeld was boring and self-indulgent n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #53
^^^This^^^ truebrit71 Jul 2015 #55
It was an accurate reflection of our society Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #54
Anyone who thinks that the "George's black friend" episode "insinuates that you can't be racist Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #57
well, maybe KG Jul 2015 #58
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