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In reply to the discussion: H2O Man Survey #39 [View all]

F4lconF16

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14. I think there's quite a few reasons.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jul 2015

I don't really have the time tonight to assess which are the stronger factors, but a few thoughts ran through my head. Here they are, in no particular order:

--our economic and societal structure

The individualism inherent to and encouraged by capitalism pits people against each other on a daily basis. We fight each other for food, for jobs, for attention. We are scared to death of losing what little we have, and we are constantly on the defensive, looking for ways to. Our economy depends on growth, expansion, and exploitation. We are embroiled in constant war. And it is all done in order to consolidate power (which often means wealth and capital) for a select few that grow more select each year.

In short, we trivialize human life with the manner in which we run our society.

Colin Quinn did a bit in "Long Story Short" that I liked that described this conflict pretty well (start at 3:41, go to around 5:00--I can't get DU to do it automatically. The whole bit, starting at around 1:52, is worth watching.)



--sports

Tribalism. Extreme tribalism. I've had people threaten to hurt me for not liking their team, for not enjoying the sheer bloodthirstiness of much of American sports. The world in general has a lot of issues relating to sports, but America is particularly intense in the way it venerates sports, teams, and the individuals within them. This isn't to say sports are bad, but that we approach them in an all-too-often violent mindset. As with other things in this list, it may be a result rather than a cause, but also like many of those other things, it is self-perpetuating and feeds on itself.


--education system and authoritarianism

We teach a constant submissiveness to authority, with little attention to teaching empathy, understanding, and perspective. Our education system is often not about education, but control and societal norms.

--gender inequality

Gender inequality creates violence through the process of dehumanization. There's a lot, lot more to go into on this topic, but I'll just mention it for now.


--racial hatred

We can't escape history. Our treatment of PoC is beyond abhorrent. The causes of racial hatred are complex (not undefinable, though), but suffice it to say that violence rather easily stems from that history. I shouldn't have to dig too deeply into why for this audience.


--religion

I believe religion often helps to create violence by establishing an unchanging, unprovable "truth". Since it does not require evidence, we are free to create our own versions of that truth. Unfortunately, religion is such an ingrained and important part of our lives that to disagree with another's truth is an affront, and often is taken as an attack, resulting in often violent retaliation. I would guess most atheists understand this point to some extent. I'd also argue that religion prevents us from fully realizing our humanity and understanding our place in the universe, and in doing so, prevents us from empathy.


--biology and our environment

Due to many of these other factors, we do not sleep and eat enough. Stress kills; sadly, this takes on many literal meanings. There is also much else about living in crowded cities, limited water/resources, etc., that causes conflict.


On edit:

holy crap, I forgot to add the criminal justice system. What a fucking mess that is. If there is one thing that embodies the problems with violence in our country, it is that. Oppressive, dehumanizing, racially biased, strict gender roles, lack of physical and mental care--I could go on. It's absolutely insane, and perhaps the greatest cause of direct violence in the US. It may be a result of capitalism and our societal structure, but it is a cause in it's own right (as are some other things I've mentioned).

There are more, but I am tired and hungry. Hopefully this made some sense. I appreciated the question--I will be thinking on this in greater depth tonight and tomorrow. As usual, your words are welcome and well stated. Thank you.

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H2O Man Survey #39 [View all] H2O Man Jul 2015 OP
I feel strongly that acknowledging and changing the way this country feels about race, its culture Brickbat Jul 2015 #1
Great answer -- thanks! H2O Man Jul 2015 #3
Definitely lots of overlap -- which makes it hard, because so many people just want to focus on one Brickbat Jul 2015 #8
Very important points. H2O Man Jul 2015 #36
Cultural and very little Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #2
Interesting and well-said. H2O Man Jul 2015 #7
Too many people NV Whino Jul 2015 #10
there are far more densely populated places than here Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #37
I have been to countries far more dense and a lot less violent.in fact USA is wide open spaces Person 2713 Jul 2015 #53
I think it is lack of economic opportunity notadmblnd Jul 2015 #4
Huge. H2O Man Jul 2015 #9
Part of it is always demographics, part of it is likely environmental lead Warpy Jul 2015 #5
Interesting. H2O Man Jul 2015 #38
Yeah, imagine being a cop, belt loaded with gear to abuse your fellow citizens, Warpy Jul 2015 #41
Right. H2O Man Jul 2015 #45
I'll give it a go. There is a high level of stress in this country right from shraby Jul 2015 #6
Good answer! H2O Man Jul 2015 #39
Great questions! Its economics, with unregulated capitolism, IMHO. kydo Jul 2015 #11
Gun ownership is just too fucking simple in too many places... catnhatnh Jul 2015 #12
heck, the planet's actual murder capital feels sorry for us at this point MisterP Jul 2015 #13
I think there's quite a few reasons. F4lconF16 Jul 2015 #14
Funny and true routine, thanks! Warpy Jul 2015 #28
I have to fall back on Justice Louis Brandeis. Downwinder Jul 2015 #15
I found some interested statistics.... CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #16
Purest speculation, but I believe it is worth considering... Zorra Jul 2015 #17
Man is an adaptable creature... kentuck Jul 2015 #18
IMO part of it is the way we educate our young in today's United States. Tommymac Jul 2015 #19
Every man a king in his own right... ellisonz Jul 2015 #20
IMO, it's a genetic issue. We have a too varied genetic pool and our melting CK_John Jul 2015 #21
A lot of good replies in this thread Hydra Jul 2015 #22
Sometimes I hate you as much as I love you for what you make me address. herding cats Jul 2015 #23
Gun violence sets us apart from our cultural peers. hay rick Jul 2015 #24
Depends on who you consider our "cultural peers" Recursion Jul 2015 #31
I suggest we look first to Lord of the Flies... Thespian2 Jul 2015 #25
And A Brave New World awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #50
Good point Thespian2 Jul 2015 #51
We also have to look into police violence. Unknown Beatle Jul 2015 #26
Many other countries also have better health care outcomes (and for far less money). merrily Jul 2015 #27
Culturally, we're a nation of toddlers. blogslut Jul 2015 #29
We aren't particularly world standouts for violence rates Recursion Jul 2015 #30
What Brickbat said plus malaise Jul 2015 #32
We have a cottage industry of hate in this country. Vinca Jul 2015 #33
Many poignant and profound contributions PuraVidaDreamin Jul 2015 #34
A major problem: the existence of the Second Amendment. Nay Jul 2015 #35
I'm not sure about that CajunBlazer Jul 2015 #44
Lead JonLP24 Jul 2015 #40
don't know the primary causes G_j Jul 2015 #42
Inequality of Income and Depression of Citizen's Rights. KoKo Jul 2015 #43
Testosterone n/t Holly_Hobby Jul 2015 #46
Clever apes in complex systems Fairgo Jul 2015 #47
We have looked at the issue carefully nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #48
If a politician is receiving funds fadedrose Jul 2015 #49
The US has literally always been at war. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #52
America has been an aggressively violent country since day one MrScorpio Jul 2015 #54
I may be ridiculed for my comment but at least am honest! akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #55
I think it is, for the most part, a cultural problem. LWolf Jul 2015 #56
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