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In reply to the discussion: Nudity, Art and Scandal in Paris! “Olympia” by Edouard Manet [View all]longship
(40,416 posts)46. I prefer Duke Ellington's recipe.
If the music sounds good, it is good.
Or as I wrote above when Samuel Clemens was quoted upon leaving the NY Met Opera House after a Wagner opus. "Wagner's music isn't as bad as it sounds."
Myself, I love Wagner's Ring. Especially the old recordings. Solti's is the best, IMHO.
When it comes to music, ones taste is within ones mouth.
I am a huge fan of 50's classical recordings. And of the di Sabata/Callas Tosca. Some may have done Tosca better, but there are few who had both Callas and Tito Gobbi as Scarpia.
Here's the deal. It is not about one individual performance, but how the ensemble works as a whole. There have been many Toscas, and quite a few have been better than Callas. However, her 1953 recording with de Sabata has the distinction of being one of the greatest of the opus because of the cast, orchestra, and conductor just simply work together.
It's like Giulini's Don Giovanni or Beecham's La Böheme with Jussi Björling and Victoria de Los Angeles.
Sometimes forces of nature come together to make a perfect storm.
One can pick at the edges but nobody can credibly claim that the whole is diminished in these iconic recordings.
Try Glenn Gould's 1955 Goldberg Variations, another iconic recording, just like Callas' Tosca, de Los Angeles and Björling's La Böheme. And like Solti's Ring cycle. And like Barbirolli's Elgar Cello concerto (with Jacqueline duPre) and Mahler Fifth.
There are many iconic recordings, performances which go far beyond individual performances but have a ensemble which just works well for a particular work or composer. My list of such things is quite long and goes back decades.
None is perfect. All one requires with music, or any art, is that one is moved by it. And one chooses their favorites.
My best to you.
Or as I wrote above when Samuel Clemens was quoted upon leaving the NY Met Opera House after a Wagner opus. "Wagner's music isn't as bad as it sounds."
Myself, I love Wagner's Ring. Especially the old recordings. Solti's is the best, IMHO.
When it comes to music, ones taste is within ones mouth.
I am a huge fan of 50's classical recordings. And of the di Sabata/Callas Tosca. Some may have done Tosca better, but there are few who had both Callas and Tito Gobbi as Scarpia.
Here's the deal. It is not about one individual performance, but how the ensemble works as a whole. There have been many Toscas, and quite a few have been better than Callas. However, her 1953 recording with de Sabata has the distinction of being one of the greatest of the opus because of the cast, orchestra, and conductor just simply work together.
It's like Giulini's Don Giovanni or Beecham's La Böheme with Jussi Björling and Victoria de Los Angeles.
Sometimes forces of nature come together to make a perfect storm.
One can pick at the edges but nobody can credibly claim that the whole is diminished in these iconic recordings.
Try Glenn Gould's 1955 Goldberg Variations, another iconic recording, just like Callas' Tosca, de Los Angeles and Björling's La Böheme. And like Solti's Ring cycle. And like Barbirolli's Elgar Cello concerto (with Jacqueline duPre) and Mahler Fifth.
There are many iconic recordings, performances which go far beyond individual performances but have a ensemble which just works well for a particular work or composer. My list of such things is quite long and goes back decades.
None is perfect. All one requires with music, or any art, is that one is moved by it. And one chooses their favorites.
My best to you.
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Totally useless? I don't think so! Bits of info like that are wonderful for impressing
1monster
Jul 2015
#21
It's all just art history...how this stuff developes from once era to another...
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#23
So very right. But I love the fact that she presents herself on her own terms...
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#10
In all my research on this painting I have never encountered that argument...but I
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#16
and I'm not sure how conscious that evolution is but it does happen often in art first...
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#72
Yes, I do get it. and thanks for that. I am remembering that in the earlier days of
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#24
Wonderful post. Ashcroft's "nude" curtaining & Mrs Cheney's NEA censorship of Maplethorpe
stuffmatters
Jul 2015
#20
Thank you, CTyankee! This is fascinating! And finally, something Mark Twain hates
pnwmom
Jul 2015
#22
Puccini is to die for...just lovely. I think I love Tosca best..."vissi d'arte, vissi amore..."
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#35
If you get to Florence, Italy try to take a side trip to Lucca, Puccini's birthplace.
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#47
I have another one ready for two weeks from now and am in the research process
CTyankee
Jul 2015
#50