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JohnnyRingo

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165. As long as they don't take mine.

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:50 AM

Jul 2015

Although as a law abiding citizen there's little reason to do so, the fact that gun ownership has no single party affiliation will stymie any attempt to restrict the right to buy and own one.

While everyone agrees that criminals should not have the right buy one, the process for weeding out future acts of violence is less than perfect. Certainly, while I believe background checks and restrictions for mentally at risk individuals is a good idea, an across the board ban is unacceptable. That leaves handgun opponents with the onus of finding a way to stop criminals while preserving the rights of everyone else, including a good sized bloc of democratic voters, and that isn't as simple a task as a short DU post would imply.

I think Michael Moore said it best: "Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people". As a people, we're globally unique in our callousness and willingness to reach for a firearm to resolve issues. I believe it's more of a red, white, and blue social problem than a matter of sheer numbers of guns.

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Who else feels the same [View all] malaise Jul 2015 OP

Amen mainstreetonce Jul 2015 #1

Amen..... daleanime Jul 2015 #2

Me too. Hoyt Jul 2015 #3

I definitely feel the same Glorfindel Jul 2015 #4

Long overdue. johnp3907 Jul 2015 #5

Agree 100% MoonRiver Jul 2015 #6

With you 100% Chiquitita Jul 2015 #7

Agreed Stargazer09 Jul 2015 #8

Yes! SoapBox Jul 2015 #9

But...But....Spoons can be deadly too!!!! jeff47 Jul 2015 #10

Spoons don't kill people, people kill people. The best defense against a bad guy with a spoon... George II Jul 2015 #84

It's the same every time. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #11

and the teddy bears.. I'm sick of it too. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #12

I forgot the teddy bears malaise Jul 2015 #82

Me too, malaise. ENOUGH. calimary Jul 2015 #13

I fear that we are becoming too "used to" these events. femmocrat Jul 2015 #14

We're getting used to it because it happens every freaking month. Boomerproud Jul 2015 #127

I went to the movies the other day, and for the first time in my life I had it AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #15

in violent countries you internalize this behavior: everyone keeps a certain distance from MisterP Jul 2015 #42

R#36 & K for, wow did you ever read my mind and say it all!1 n/t UTUSN Jul 2015 #16

Agreed. onyourleft Jul 2015 #17

Arrgh and R'amen! n/t RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #18

NRA to malaise: why are you advancing policy while so emotional, that will not do! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #19

Add me to your 'amen corner'. I am tired of the NRA narrative and apologizing for its stupity.... marble falls Jul 2015 #20

my Tin Foil Hat keeps whispering to me: annabanana Jul 2015 #21

I think that's true politically sub.theory Jul 2015 #22

That's the difference between you and me. It's been shown that NRA annabanana Jul 2015 #23

I think we can agree that sub.theory Jul 2015 #24

Precisely. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #35

That's correct, and it's because ... staggerleem Jul 2015 #59

There's no need for murder. jeff47 Jul 2015 #29

That's true with liberal policies in general Nevernose Jul 2015 #40

Yep. tazkcmo Jul 2015 #102

I hear you! ananda Jul 2015 #25

But-but packman Jul 2015 #26

yes oldandhappy Jul 2015 #27

From 2012 & nothing's changed. CrispyQ Jul 2015 #28

Since the Brady Bill Gun Regulation has become the third rail of politics. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #30

That about covers it for me too nt fadedrose Jul 2015 #31

What you said. old guy Jul 2015 #32

K/R Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #33

Amen Jackilope Jul 2015 #34

I'm Sick Too! But It Seems Too Many OTHERS ChiciB1 Jul 2015 #36

Pretty sure Obama feels the same and says so here.... SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2015 #37

Thanks. A sane voice drowned out by propagandists. n/t freshwest Jul 2015 #43

I love how they turn around and blame him malaise Jul 2015 #86

Yes. riversedge Jul 2015 #177

All you fucking pussies have got this wrong! sgtbenobo Jul 2015 #38

The p-word will get your post deleted Nevernose Jul 2015 #41

The reason why we cover our children's ears... sgtbenobo Jul 2015 #45

You can make the same point Nevernose Jul 2015 #47

Really? sgtbenobo Jul 2015 #51

The p-word is now forbidden? -none Jul 2015 #93

Oh no. The resident Internet tough guy is going to lecture everyone Taitertots Jul 2015 #80

Resident Internet tough guy.... sgtbenobo Jul 2015 #149

Oh, N=1. Let me just disregard your trivial anecdote Taitertots Jul 2015 #156

No kidding. n/t Rhythm Jul 2015 #39

You know what would be interesting matt819 Jul 2015 #44

Maybe everyone who agrees with you should mention this to Bernie Sanders pnwmom Jul 2015 #46

Do mean when he voted for a universal background check? aikoaiko Jul 2015 #48

He voted for a law that wiped out liability laws in 50 states that held pnwmom Jul 2015 #49

You're overstating what PLCAA did. Dealers and manuf. can be sued for negligent actions. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #57

Does that mean you are for the PLCAA? Or are you just defending it because that's how Sanders voted? pnwmom Jul 2015 #62

Of course I'm for the PLCAA. It prevented cynical attempts to bankrupt smaller companies. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #66

Oh yes. It was so cynical of those grieving parents in Connecticut to go after pnwmom Jul 2015 #69

But that's the thing, the gun manufacturers didn't help Adam Lanza aikoaiko Jul 2015 #71

We don't know what the outcome would have been since that law prevented the parents from going forward pnwmom Jul 2015 #75

Fortunately, that won't go anywhere. And again, dealers and manuf. can be sued for negligence. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #78

Should i be able to sue Honda druidity33 Jul 2015 #121

You'll never get an answer to that question, from the people that support such things. beevul Jul 2015 #168

I knew the hillarians would blame this on Sanders Doctor_J Jul 2015 #130

Ban semi-automatic weapons. Doc_Technical Jul 2015 #50

Yeah, let's make it as hard to get a gun as it is to get bag of dope Taitertots Jul 2015 #77

Totally agree with you. gademocrat7 Jul 2015 #52

Don't call for any action - they will come after you with all those things liberal N proud Jul 2015 #53

I'm with you 100%! nt valerief Jul 2015 #54

I'm happily in favor of outright gun confiscation. SheilaT Jul 2015 #55

And when the police kick in YOUR door to make sure you don't have one? Taitertots Jul 2015 #79

Would they have probable cause to believe I have one or a warrant? stevenleser Jul 2015 #89

Considering current policing practices who is likely to get their door kicked in for guns? Fumesucker Jul 2015 #106

As I said, what is different from now? Do you think that would result in more doors being kicked in? stevenleser Jul 2015 #142

The liberals at least seem to be losing their enthusiasm for the Drug War Fumesucker Jul 2015 #144

Lol, You still think that matters.... How quaint. Taitertots Jul 2015 #114

And as I said, and what is different from now? You think it makes a difference to an unscrupulus stevenleser Jul 2015 #141

But of course, having SheilaT Jul 2015 #100

It's the most peaceful era in human history Taitertots Jul 2015 #108

how many gunsters have used their weapons to save themselves from the police? Doctor_J Jul 2015 #132

What?! That was a post about how innocent people would get hurt by forced confiscation Taitertots Jul 2015 #135

Agreed Gothmog Jul 2015 #56

It gives me no pleasure at all to say this but.... steve2470 Jul 2015 #58

I don't think any of the proposed legislation would have prevented that massacre. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #61

true but... steve2470 Jul 2015 #63

Fair enough. You're entitled to those frustrations. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #68

You left off two of the ones I'm sick of... Moonwalk Jul 2015 #60

An ironic Amen to your post d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #64

Amen. There is a god called Gun Hekate Jul 2015 #65

There is one other god that might beat your mighty god: Ineeda Jul 2015 #161

The one is the handmaiden of the other, for an enormous amount of money is made each year ... Hekate Jul 2015 #170

k & r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #67

MANDATOR MINIMUM for illegal gun posession Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #70

I'm not even reading about this latest shooting mcar Jul 2015 #72

Also sick of hearing about "good guy with a gun". lark Jul 2015 #73

Amen. I can only think of one solution now. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2015 #74

Agree! Feel the same! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2015 #76

IMHO we should deal with frigging ammo too. PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #81

Like I said before. I'm old enough to remember when we talked about banning handguns. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #83

Indeed. moondust Jul 2015 #85

I've long since given up on this. If Sandy Hook wasn't enough, I dont know what would be stevenleser Jul 2015 #87

Sandy Hook should have been the last straw malaise Jul 2015 #88

Gun ownership here is a large death cult at this point. It's a religion. Many enthusiasts are more stevenleser Jul 2015 #92

We clearly see it similarly: a death cult demanding daily human blood sacrifices. nt Hekate Jul 2015 #94

Perfect malaise Jul 2015 #136

The media priesthood PATRICK Jul 2015 #90

yup restorefreedom Jul 2015 #91

Seriously... Blanks Jul 2015 #96

completely agree restorefreedom Jul 2015 #97

Time to reform the 2nd amendment. We need to spell out what typexs of guns can and can't be owned. craigmatic Jul 2015 #95

Which should and shouldn't be able to be owned? N/T beevul Jul 2015 #107

Create a graded license system like we do for driving ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #112

I've seen this before... beevul Jul 2015 #119

So do NOTHING? Ineeda Jul 2015 #163

Well... beevul Jul 2015 #167

Right. Blah blah blah. I hear no proposal for an actual solution. Ineeda Jul 2015 #171

I don't see you proving me wrong. beevul Jul 2015 #172

Really? Show me where I said that. Ineeda Jul 2015 #173

I never claimed you said that. beevul Jul 2015 #174

Guns suck... Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #98

I feel exactly the same! whathehell Jul 2015 #99

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #101

The news needs to announce the number killed by guns tblue Jul 2015 #103

And I always ask, what is your solution? And if you say "collect all the guns" then you are not.... Logical Jul 2015 #104

Long ago I came to this place in life madokie Jul 2015 #105

Sadly, it's only one of MANY issues we need to focus on dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #109

License them all. Octafish Jul 2015 #110

Perhaps, Insure them all... sgtbenobo Jul 2015 #152

There is a reason a swimming pool or certain dogs will raise your home owners premium hack89 Jul 2015 #157

Your OP has an important bridge to the BLM protests. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #111

I want social justice as much as you malaise Jul 2015 #113

You missed my point. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #118

Got you malaise Jul 2015 #120

Cool ... and btw ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #123

LOL - that's how it should be malaise Jul 2015 #134

K & R n/t xocet Jul 2015 #115

Preach it bro,....nt N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2015 #116

Sister malaise Jul 2015 #117

Heartily agree. AngryOldDem Jul 2015 #122

+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #124

if i hear gov jindahl say one more time restorefreedom Jul 2015 #125

He disgusts me malaise Jul 2015 #128

amen. nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #129

I am��with you. blm Jul 2015 #126

The shooter was clearly embittered by events that befell him. He acted criminally on that HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #131

Remember though someone who did business with him said malaise Jul 2015 #133

And that usually included pouring concrete into sinks and toilets? HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #143

Yes I am ashamed for the people who won't ask the real question Leontius Jul 2015 #137

The problem is that when that is raised malaise Jul 2015 #138

This country was founded in violence -- genocide, in fact, Ineeda Jul 2015 #164

Okay have they thought this over? KrazyinKS Jul 2015 #139

I agree! DrewFlorida Jul 2015 #140

Thank you... Thespian2 Jul 2015 #145

k UTUSN Jul 2015 #146

I am sick of the maiming and killing. GeorgeGist Jul 2015 #147

Came back just to recommend this again :) Mira Jul 2015 #148

Prayers aren't going to stop bullets. Plain and simple Initech Jul 2015 #150

I'm With You But Would Add The Roux Comes First Jul 2015 #151

100% correct malaise Jul 2015 #154

GUNS DO KILL! C Moon Jul 2015 #153

Exactly. We play this same tune over and over and over again. Vinca Jul 2015 #155

Fuck the NRA sellitman Jul 2015 #158

K&R The only people with more blood on them are Wall St investors. nt raouldukelives Jul 2015 #159

My sentiments exactly. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #160

... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #162

As long as they don't take mine. JohnnyRingo Jul 2015 #165

Feeling the same. We should go back to the grammar of the 2nd Amendment and use proper English kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #166

If you go down that road, you wont like what you find. beevul Jul 2015 #169

amen. myrna minx Jul 2015 #175

You should be me... ileus Jul 2015 #176