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ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
17. You must have missed this part of my post:
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jul 2015

"Yes the deception was bad, and Greece's (conservative) government was complicit. Big time."

Also, Greece's leftist Syriza government has made structural changes. It has not done enough, but they have made real changes. But the real question is why all the benefits accrue to the monied elites while the punishments must be on the shoulders of the peons.

And the answer is, disaster capitalism. The deceptive deal was engineered by Goldman Sachs whether you would like to admit that or not. Why is there no hue and cry to go after them to recover their ill-gotten gains? The ONLY issue that seems to be important to some people, is that the banks must be made whole. Just like in our own 2007-2008 crash.

Do people really think that the banks making loans to Greece had no idea of the risk they were taking? Was there no one in the EU and the IMF who was able to ascertain what was going on there before Greece was admitted? Did they really take a critical look at Greece's books, or were they also overeager?

Regardless of what came before, the fact is they CANNOT pay the debt. The IMF has acknowledged this. How would you suggest the EU squeeze blood from this particular turnip? The new loan goes DIRECTLY to the banks, NOT to the people of Greece. Therefore, their economy will see NO benefit and will continue to spiral downward, making them LESS able to pay back a LARGER loan. How is that going to work out again?

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Greece has lied to EU about its finances since the year 2000. DetlefK Jul 2015 #1
Those poor, lying Greeks. Have you no sense of compassion?? randome Jul 2015 #2
Oh here we go again... ljm2002 Jul 2015 #3
1. I have no idea why they chose austerity as a strategy. DetlefK Jul 2015 #6
Again: Any debt that CANNOT be paid... ljm2002 Jul 2015 #7
It was Greece that asked Goldman Sachs for help! DetlefK Jul 2015 #9
First idea: ljm2002 Jul 2015 #10
The exchange is pointless because you aren't willing to admit that the Greek people caused this mythology Jul 2015 #13
I don't believe for an INSTANT that the "Greek people" caused this... anymore than "I" caused OUR PassingFair Jul 2015 #16
. ctsnowman Jul 2015 #19
Because saying something was widespread means literally all? mythology Jul 2015 #27
You must have missed this part of my post: ljm2002 Jul 2015 #17
Second idea: Don't give Greece any f**king money. DetlefK Jul 2015 #15
And yet... ljm2002 Jul 2015 #18
So, which German bank do you work for? KamaAina Jul 2015 #24
The big shadowy one with an island lair shaped like a skull. DetlefK Jul 2015 #28
Oh, that's just too good! randome Jul 2015 #30
That doesn't narrow it down a whole lot. KamaAina Jul 2015 #32
Another principle of finance: cemaphonic Jul 2015 #22
Apparently we're supposed to either forget that part or assume that mythology Jul 2015 #12
You mean, "The Greek elites wanted a lifestyle... ljm2002 Jul 2015 #20
Greek pensions started earlier than other countries mythology Jul 2015 #26
I get it. ljm2002 Jul 2015 #29
Comparing nations to your friends is a great indication that you should be ignored Taitertots Jul 2015 #4
But the EU still has to work with the numbers Greece provides to them. DetlefK Jul 2015 #5
"Trust"? The pseudo-moralist position has no basis in reality. Taitertots Jul 2015 #8
Why help Greece in any way if you can't trust it? DetlefK Jul 2015 #14
Were the numbers falsified? ljm2002 Jul 2015 #21
Oh, they were falsified before Goldman Sachs ever entered the stage. DetlefK Jul 2015 #23
The Greeks upheld austerity when they refuse to reign in corruption and their tax evaders. kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #11
Unbalanced? Selfish? randome Jul 2015 #25
I'll throw in some naive questions/observations... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #31
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