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brett_jv

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27. The fact that if all the oil dried up overnight that probably 4-5 BILLION people ...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jul 2015

Would be dead within a year or two ... doesn't seem to register to most people here on DU.

Unless you're living completely self-sufficient and off the grid, using seeds from your own previous crops, tilling your fields w/draft animals (that you also feed with your own crops), with your own dam providing you with hydro-power ... with no plastics, asphalt, purchased fertilizers, etc, used in your life ... then you're in some way dependent on oil. How many people live like that in the USA today? A few hundred, maybe? And there's absolutely NO WAY that 'everyone' ... could.

Look, I'm 100% firmly in favor of MOVING away from fossil fuels to the extent that it's possible. But getting completely off them, without a HUGE drop in the standard of living of the average person is not something that we're even remotely close to being able to do. So until such time as we ARE ... we're going to need to get the oil from somewhere.

But drilling in the Arctic is a TERRIBLE option. And isn't the fact that the whole reason we can even consider it is BECAUSE we've polluted the atmosphere with so much CO2 FROM burning fossil fuels ... enough reason to give everybody serious PAUSE about the wisdom of such a maneuver?

Cause it damn sure ought to be. The 'warning bells' should REALLY be going off at this point. But some people only see $$$ signs and that's all that matters to them ... Very, very sad to see.

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Nope Hydra Jul 2015 #1
The corporations DEMANDED it. immoderate Jul 2015 #2
no Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #3
I HEAR you on the wolf issue!! G_j Jul 2015 #5
This is an infuriating one. rwsanders Jul 2015 #16
thank you G_j Jul 2015 #45
NO. Nor the TPP. Triana Jul 2015 #4
No! Nor TPP! haikugal Jul 2015 #6
This is yet another example... Oilwellian Jul 2015 #7
You think Jeb/Scott wouldn't do even more drilling? lark Jul 2015 #13
Maybe it is time for the 3rd way folks to cave and admit it isn't working. Bernie could coast to rwsanders Jul 2015 #18
Absolutely not, Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #8
Hmm. Crickets from the usual fans. nt truebluegreen Jul 2015 #9
Oh gosh, I hate to spoil your stereotype. I don't approve. Hekate Jul 2015 #10
Lead by example: crickets Ned Flanders Jul 2015 #28
Oh gosh, I'm way ahead of you truebluegreen Jul 2015 #37
Why is the question for me. He's a lame duck, he doesn't need poitical capital at this point. jalan48 Jul 2015 #11
Getting his take. lark Jul 2015 #14
I had the same feeling though a fellow DUer was quite offended when I voiced it the other day. jalan48 Jul 2015 #15
It's exactly *because* he's a lame duck. Marr Jul 2015 #25
because he's a corporate conservative? Doctor_J Jul 2015 #35
LOL-well, I was hoping he would be an environmentally friendly one. jalan48 Jul 2015 #36
Not here. lark Jul 2015 #12
Not me. City Lights Jul 2015 #17
Hows this? A Simple Game Jul 2015 #19
No and I'm heartsick. eom. Cleita Jul 2015 #20
Oh please, what is the point even discussing it? Sen. Walter Sobchak Jul 2015 #21
The fact that if all the oil dried up overnight that probably 4-5 BILLION people ... brett_jv Jul 2015 #27
They are committing to delaying the use of multiple alternatives. dougolat Jul 2015 #32
That's because fossil fuels ARE Bad! Oil is BAD! truebluegreen Jul 2015 #38
No. Nae. Never. hifiguy Jul 2015 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #23
I FOUGHT HARD against the "Moderate Republicans" policies back in the 80s. bvar22 Jul 2015 #34
Whose State Department former Presidential candidate head was responsible for initializing this? marble falls Jul 2015 #24
Clearly, this is Bush's fault... hughee99 Jul 2015 #26
Arctic drilling is a really BAD idea. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #29
To play the devil's advocate, here, how many of the people opposed don't drive a car? Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #30
Unless everything in your home was personally acquired by hand and produced by hand, MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #39
Still, the larger problem is fossil fuels in general. And as long as we're all using them, they need Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #41
I was using your/you in the collective... MerryBlooms Jul 2015 #43
I know this one! A troll paid by Exxon/Mobil. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #31
No, because it's a monumentally stupid idea. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #33
What could possibly go wrong drilling in the harshest environment on Earth? neverforget Jul 2015 #40
I'll pass, it's indefensible. CanonRay Jul 2015 #42
No AuntPatsy Jul 2015 #44
Not publicly. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #46
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