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passiveporcupine

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53. It doesn't matter

Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:12 PM

Jul 2015

He did not have his lights on, so she should not have panicked to the point that she had to change lanes so fast that she forgot to signal. She admitted she didn't think she deserved being pulled over for it, as if she didn't know it was a requirement. I know a lot of people are saying a ticket or warning for not signalling a lane change is a bullshit harassment maneuver, but I disagree. It is a requirement by law that you signal a lane change'; and it is especially needed for safety, if other cars are present. If you were alone on the road, I doubt you'd get pulled over for it, even by a hidden cop. We don't get to decide it's OK to break a law "because".

Also, in response to some who are concerned about why he asked her if she was OK. If you watch the full video on youtube, the first car he was dealing with when it started, before he stopped Sandra, he asked her "Are you OK?" He had pulled her over for speeding and still just gave her a warning.

I don't think he asked that of Sandra to provoke her. It was just his style to show concern for the person who is upset for being pulled over.

I actually thought he was pretty decent to her, up until the moment he over-reacted to her questioning why she had to put out her cigarette. Then he lost it. I don't know why he lost it and can only assume it was because she was black and resisting him ...or he too was having a bad day. We may never know. He did ask her in the very beginning..."YOU OK?" when he was still on the sidewalk talking to her through the passenger window...before he went back to his car to report in. So she was obviously visibly upset when he first talked to her, and I wonder if maybe she was upset before he even pulled her over. Maybe she was upset about having to leave Chicago? Who knows what was going on in her life at that time?

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Sandra Bland Was Murdered [View all] Sunlei Jul 2015 OP

Yes. No matter what the actual cause of death is, Sandra was murdered by the System. n/t djean111 Jul 2015 #1

While I don't agree with some of what the author says... Calista241 Jul 2015 #2

+1, Americans are not more criminal than the rest of the world uponit7771 Jul 2015 #3

Yes, laws are very often over-broad. Igel Jul 2015 #8

Bland was on her way to a new job at Prairie A&M university when she was pulled over for failing to Sunlei Jul 2015 #4

And she changed lanes because he came up tblue Jul 2015 #9

I didn't know that. Damn it! Glimmer of Hope Jul 2015 #44

The complete video shows him turning around and speeding like mad to catch up to her. DhhD Jul 2015 #102

The incident happened on US Hwy 290 Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #112

she didn't signal and rolled a stop sign before that. Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #79

this is correct Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author cstanleytech Jul 2015 #14

"I" use my signals when changing lanes. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #16

Goody for you. But if someday you somehow neglected to do so, The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #52

No I would not expect that to happen because the odds of that are statistically low. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #62

Do you think it was OK for her to have been arrested and jailed The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #63

If that the the sole reason she was arrested, No. Was that the sole reason she was arrested? No. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #73

If Bland was "arrested for resisting arrest" then the arrest came first or there Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #93

She didnt have sit for 3 days if she bonded out which makes me wonder why her parents did cstanleytech Jul 2015 #96

I know she suffered from epilepsy and was taking the drug Keppra Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #97

Oh I agree its a travesty, hopefully the cop wont be a cop after this though. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #98

On top of that, they didn't monitor her as often as they were supposed to Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #99

I know, either way they are guilty of negligence imo. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #101

As I understand it, she was prone to depression and then left alone in a cell for JDPriestly Jul 2015 #67

"Excessive force and an unwarranted arrest. That's my opinion." I agree there. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #74

On a practical level, you are right, but actually, she did not resist a lawful arrest. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #85

Not disagreeing you with but the proper place to argue about isnt when the cop has you pulled over cstanleytech Jul 2015 #88

I watched the video. She didn't argue with him until he really got nasty. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #92

Yes I know I saw the video as well but it doesnt matter cstanleytech Jul 2015 #95

I really hate to think of whatever your point is here. Dare you explain it? nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #86

Was responding to part where sun posted cstanleytech Jul 2015 #87

"We'd call it murder if a kidnapping victim died of fright during the job... Faryn Balyncd Jul 2015 #5

My thoughts exactly. marble falls Jul 2015 #11

I wonder if she was raped in jail. Ilsa Jul 2015 #6

I've been wondering that as well. /nt alcina Jul 2015 #7

You would think that the medical examiner would have checked for that. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #17

Maybe it had been several days and there wasn't Ilsa Jul 2015 #46

She was in jail for 3 days I think. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #49

A rape doesn't necessarily mean there is torn tissue. Ilsa Jul 2015 #64

Was there another examination? rainy Jul 2015 #61

The family got someone else to do an examination I read, who cstanleytech Jul 2015 #72

This is the discussion. Apparently you see a rape kit when they go to pick up the body. vaberella Jul 2015 #60

One would have thought that one of the women in nearby cells would have heard that. WillowTree Jul 2015 #90

I strongly suspect a jail cell execution for being uppity and as such less trouble dead than alive. TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #10

anyone know if that particular jail has the rule, no laying on the bed during day hours? Sunlei Jul 2015 #15

Recipe as follows cstanleytech Jul 2015 #23

Failure to use a turn signal? Smoking whilst in your vehicle? "Smart mouth"? TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #36

I agree, it should have ended at most with a citation. nt cstanleytech Jul 2015 #43

they are even claiming she might have smoked weed...IN JAIL!!!! noiretextatique Jul 2015 #109

"no one is innocent"...... marble falls Jul 2015 #12

Interesting and informative post. Thanks! nt Ilsa Jul 2015 #47

"...using the word "sir" as a strategy to avoid beatings and killings. " BumRushDaShow Jul 2015 #13

True. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #19

SO accurate and true curious_citizen Jul 2015 #21

K & R ctsnowman Jul 2015 #18

I don't think it can be called murder unless more evidence supports it. randome Jul 2015 #20

Excellent OPed in the NYTImes this morning TBF Jul 2015 #22

I don't quite agree with this passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #31

She quickly changed lanes to get out of his way. Ilsa Jul 2015 #48

It doesn't matter passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #53

How was Sandra Bland "resisting him"? Your whole logic train falls off the rails right at that spot. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #54

I was trying to come up with a better word, and that was a poor choice passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #56

Same spot, same train wreck a second time. The cop had no "legal right" to "ask" Bland to put out a smoke. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #58

During a traffic stop Indydem Jul 2015 #77

Please allow me to explain a third time: Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #83

Were you there? 840high Jul 2015 #68

Completely agree... MinM Jul 2015 #70

That was the second time she didn't signal Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #80

Nonsense. Deflective. The cop was loaded for bear, loaded for teaching an uppity black woman how Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #84

Totally agree with every word and paragraph of Roxane Gay's blog post at NYT, from the experience of a black person. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #51

I don't know how people cannot understand this - TBF Jul 2015 #55

What is an AA person, and, no offence, please stop using the shortcut. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #57

AA=African American. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2015 #59

The traffic stop is ... zentrum Jul 2015 #24

I agree, not to mention passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #34

Sandra Bland was illegally detained and held captive. She died in captivity. It is murder and it is Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #25

they will not be charged. but the settlement will cost the county taxpayers elehhhhna Jul 2015 #33

Civil consequence are not enough, because black lives matter, because it will be white lives next. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #37

it's already white lives too. elehhhhna Jul 2015 #45

Suicide or not gollygee Jul 2015 #40

No need to particularize the issue so finely, because kidnappers are legally 100% liable for any harm. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #41

I've been in prisons with trash bags Travis_0004 Jul 2015 #81

Yes, that is exactly what happened Tumbulu Jul 2015 #89

Great article karynnj Jul 2015 #26

Both sides did things wrong madville Jul 2015 #30

Absolutely true karynnj Jul 2015 #35

Nonsense, that is a distortion of the plain reality of the video evidence - one too many Uppitys. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #38

the salient fact is this: the only illegal thing she did noiretextatique Jul 2015 #110

She may have had issues bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #27

Nonsense, that is a deflection from the stark video reality of a cop loaded for bear on a uppity Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #39

Depends on how one views it bucolic_frolic Jul 2015 #50

This guy didn't have to get out of his car or get lit up. livingonearth Jul 2015 #82

She was justifiably feisty Geronimoe Jul 2015 #28

This is a form of indoctrination sorefeet Jul 2015 #29

A few more generations can worry about it then, but the worry is now. The solution is better law. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #42

VIDEO: Raw interview with Sandra Bland's co-inmate udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #32

Adrienne Shelly MinM Jul 2015 #65

another tragedy noiretextatique Jul 2015 #69

I am agreeing with you, could this be one of the signs of the apocalypse? nt cstanleytech Jul 2015 #76

LOL noiretextatique Jul 2015 #113

Thats possible cstanleytech Jul 2015 #114

every day...hopefully eom noiretextatique Jul 2015 #115

Sandra Bland Not a Fan Jul 2015 #66

I agree unequivocally! Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #71

That's so horrible. BeanMusical Jul 2015 #75

Sandra Bland and family, this was an injustice. saidsimplesimon Jul 2015 #78

The Video I Saw Showed A Lightly Traveled Street DallasNE Jul 2015 #91

"There was no reason whatsoever for that cop to pull her over" Its more accurate to say that cstanleytech Jul 2015 #100

Please inform yourself of the detailed FACTS of the arrest, they are important to comprehension. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #103

Ok Fred lets keep it simple, did she signal to change lanes? Yes or no? cstanleytech Jul 2015 #104

Inform YOURSELF of the facts. I just said that. Why do I have to keep repeating myself around here? Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #105

If you mean watch video I did, it didnt look she turned on signal to me then again I am on cstanleytech Jul 2015 #106

You are getting warmer.... Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #107

Thats not answer fred. cstanleytech Jul 2015 #108

K&R It is insanity and it must be stopped. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #94