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Igel

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27. No, it's more like "play the game," as linguists would say.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jul 2015

You construct a conversation. There are something very much like rules.

If you break them, you're indicating ill will and hostility. Thing is, the other person may not even be fully aware of this and but will react in kind. Once he's reacting in kind, you perceive the hostility, may think you intend none so where did *that* come from, and react with greater hostility.

Wonderful. You've now taken what amounts to a neutral business transaction and moved it into a situation in which both people are working on the assumption that the other person is not just potentially hostile, but actually hostile. What could possibly go wrong? As soon as you assume hostility, the rules of the conversation game change.

Not helping matters are slightly different cultural assumptions about what, exactly the rules of the game are and how to play them--with some of the rules not allowed for both parties, a fact one side takes advantage of.

Take Bland and Encinia. I've seen that kind of interaction. I've been *in* that kind of interaction. One side is resisting; that's part of the game, resistance which, if challenged, is entirely non-resistance. You pretend to play by the rules but don't. And you have to know exactly how the rules are being violated to deal with it all consciously.

If you want to see a good example of hostile conversation, look at any deposition or cross-examination in court. The conversation's very hostile. It's assumed the witness is not held to tell the truth, what's relevant, or abide by the usual rules. No chance is given for "repair," for fixing misunderstandings. If something can be misconstrued, it will be.

Most traffic stops aren't like that. Usually listening to the cop's intonation tells you when the conversation's shifted. Same with listening to a motorist's or a student's intonation.

Take a classic example of ill-will in conversation. You go to a fast food place with a coworker. You're short $2. "Do you have $2?" The guy answers no. Five minutes later he pays for his $8 meal with a $20 bill. "I thought you didn't have $2?" "I didn't. I had a single $20."

Did he lie? The immediate reaction is to think he lied. He didn't, and proudly accuses you of slandering him.But he ignored the purpose of your question. Bam: He's tricked you and tried to make a fool out of you. A lot of people think that's funny--and then, the intellectual midgets they aren't, can't figure out why you don't trust them. He had relevant information and decided to not share it. It corrodes social trust. Conversation is built cooperatively.

Another dodge is to answer a question with a question or a request. "What are you doing?" "What am I supposed to be doing? That's your job, telling me what I'm supposed to be doing." That can work if the guy's not doing what you said, or if he's doing something he knows is inappropriate. Again, a lot of people think it's funny. Then they're shocked when you think they're hostile. They're passively uncooperative in a context where cooperation is expected. That makes for frustration; it gums up the works--often the goal--and makes them feel superior while they try to humiliate you. It's power and manipulation through conversation. Again, it corrodes social trust. (And then, in the classroom, some researchers wonder why people from different groups get treated differently. Unaware of how conversation works, they're oblivious to crucial data--but what they don't know doesn't exist. That's arrogant. It's not, however, uppity.)

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Know Your Rights With The Police [View all] damnedifIknow Jul 2015 OP
This is extremely bad advice oberliner Jul 2015 #1
Good points... ret5hd Jul 2015 #3
Yes, I was taught the same oberliner Jul 2015 #4
We have rights in this country damnedifIknow Jul 2015 #8
Indeed we do oberliner Jul 2015 #11
They're not "reasonable questions;" they're a fishing expedition. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #30
He is also Profiling for Evasive Answers One_Life_To_Give Jul 2015 #46
I agree. cwydro Jul 2015 #42
Same here. 840high Jul 2015 #13
Don't be a tool unnecessarily is excellent advice... Positrons Jul 2015 #19
No, it's more like "play the game," as linguists would say. Igel Jul 2015 #27
You're right. Usually the only good reason not to answer COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #6
If they are that hostile you are pretty much guaranteed to get a hostile reaction anyway Major Nikon Jul 2015 #7
Good point oberliner Jul 2015 #12
I think it would have gone better Major Nikon Jul 2015 #18
You have the right to remain silent. More people should exercise it. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #31
Fuck the police. nt MrScorpio Jul 2015 #22
Where are the "rights?" Downwinder Jul 2015 #2
if it's just you and the cop on the side of the road, you have no rights since he has a gun geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5
I never knew I wasn't supposed to get out of the car. TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #9
If a cop asks me a question I ask them to repeat it gwheezie Jul 2015 #10
Has that ever led to a hostile response? oberliner Jul 2015 #14
I'm an old white woman gwheezie Jul 2015 #21
I was stopped up here the other day, it was the weirdest damn thing. polly7 Jul 2015 #15
I was pulled over just outside a small town in Utah. . . Journeyman Jul 2015 #26
I live 17 minutes from that town .... much of my family lives there. polly7 Jul 2015 #28
Just writing off their assholery as being human is really not a good excuse Major Nikon Jul 2015 #35
I recommend information from Flex Your Rights as a good starting place... Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #16
Thanks for posting this oberliner Jul 2015 #23
I agree damnedifIknow Jul 2015 #32
Good video. cwydro Jul 2015 #44
My cousin actually got off without a ticket with his response. Hoppy Jul 2015 #17
LOL kydo Jul 2015 #20
i've dealt with this a bit before. beevul Jul 2015 #24
When I was in aerospace MurrayDelph Jul 2015 #34
Don't talk to the police. truebluegreen Jul 2015 #25
Being officious and defensive isn't a great thing. Igel Jul 2015 #29
Cops are no different than doctors, the receptionist at your local spa, the bartender polly7 Jul 2015 #36
cops don't get to have a "bad day" Spacemom Jul 2015 #39
So true. polly7 Jul 2015 #41
What a pant load. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #37
The last time I was stopped, I refused a search. X_Digger Jul 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jul 2015 #38
Unfortunately, none of that applies... pinboy3niner Jul 2015 #40
Quite some time ago, a highway patroll officer tried to extort me HeiressofBickworth Jul 2015 #43
Depends if I want to go on with my day Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #45
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