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Hot water kills half of Columbia River sockeye salmon [View all] n2doc Jul 2015 OP

Son of a.... Xolodno Jul 2015 #1

It is a large-scale extinction event unfolding. nt silvershadow Jul 2015 #15

Are thee any Nuke Power Plants on the Colombia River? bvar22 Jul 2015 #2

from the article...Experts said drought and record heat this summer are behind the high water temper spanone Jul 2015 #3

Yes, I read the article, bvar22 Jul 2015 #6

No they don't raise them a bunch dbackjon Jul 2015 #13

...and "maybe" it is a combination. bvar22 Jul 2015 #19

Heat from the Columbia Generating Station is dissipated into the air Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #26

Nothing EVER "dissipates". bvar22 Jul 2015 #57

But the point is, CGS uses the atmosphere as its ultimate heat sink, not the river. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #58

I disagree. bvar22 Jul 2015 #61

Watt for watt, they do not. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #67

So you admit that NUke Plants run hotter. bvar22 Jul 2015 #69

No, watt for watt they are similar. You don't obviate a watt for watt replacement by AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #76

And heat is never radiated into space Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #64

Some is radiated into space. bvar22 Jul 2015 #73

Human thermal output doesn't add shit to the heat budget of the earth. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #77

Quote: bvar22 Jul 2015 #84

That is some cheap shit right there. Can't refute the point so you decide I must AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #85

Phew. Thanks. bvar22 Jul 2015 #91

I never said human activity doesn't affect climate change. In fact, I specified the opposite. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #96

Ever smoke a bowl then put your hand around it to cool it down? snooper2 Jul 2015 #90

+1 An example of someone with good intentions being confused by facts. hueymahl Jul 2015 #86

So nothing EVER "dissipates" unless it does dissipate, right? Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #80

I was going to let that go, but since the snark, I decided to correct you. bvar22 Jul 2015 #93

Oh, so suddenly you're worried about reflectivity of the atmosphere rather than human thermal activi AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #97

No horse switch. That has always been my contention. bvar22 Jul 2015 #101

Now you're just completely lost. Just stop. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #102

Watt for watt is a dodge. bvar22 Jul 2015 #104

No, they don't burn hotter. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #105

Again, you are trying to rig the results with your "watt for watt' BS. bvar22 Jul 2015 #110

Not for plants with the same wattage output. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #112

Since you have constructed an iron block around your head, bvar22 Jul 2015 #114

Now you're confused about concentration. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #116

That is circular reasoning. bvar22 Jul 2015 #131

You're just spewing nonsense. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #132

Is it harder to put out a fire in a Coal Fired Plant, bvar22 Jul 2015 #139

I just explained that to you. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #141

Learn to expect FAILURE in Nuke Plants. bvar22 Jul 2015 #144

Which of course has nothing to do with the dead fish in the op or the river temp. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #145

Hermiston natural gas power plant downriver from the Columbia generating station AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #107

Stop with the Bull Shit? bvar22 Jul 2015 #115

Post 111, made 40 minutes before you posted this. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #117

Calling for Scientific Research to examine the Colombia River and the rise in heat... bvar22 Jul 2015 #129

The reactor, and the larger number/watts of gas fired generators on the Columbia are monitored by AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #130

You have some serious patience. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2015 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author goonk298 Jul 2015 #148

if you want to take the focus off global warming, you're doing a great job CreekDog Jul 2015 #126

BS. bvar22 Jul 2015 #140

LOL - and all the cigarettes people smoke cause the temperature to rise in the summer dbackjon Jul 2015 #40

of course nuke plants increase the water temp questionseverything Jul 2015 #46

Have you heard of Spurious Correlations? LanternWaste Jul 2015 #52

Yes, I've heard of "spurious correlations". bvar22 Jul 2015 #65

Ah yes, requesting someone prove a negative hueymahl Jul 2015 #87

Pure BS. bvar22 Jul 2015 #106

Does anyone see you asking someone to prove a negative? Ahh, yes hueymahl Jul 2015 #123

Yes. bvar22 Jul 2015 #134

Evaporative cooling and radiative cooling are entirely different components of the atmospheric heat AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #135

Did NOT you say that these plants use our atmosphere as a "heat sink". bvar22 Jul 2015 #155

By way of evaporation. Yes. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #156

Ok, I'm going to try one more time hueymahl Jul 2015 #149

I would believe you, bvar22 Jul 2015 #143

Total human energy output was covered already. Less than 0.03% AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #146

Is the industry fucking around pumping hot water uphill to kill the fish? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #133

Not a Double Negative. bvar22 Aug 2015 #169

Nuclear power plants can and must be a contributor to the rise in temp. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #88

Thanks for your reasonable answer. bvar22 Jul 2015 #92

Congratulations, you steered a conversation about global warming, a well-founded explanation CreekDog Jul 2015 #127

All I did was ask a question. bvar22 Jul 2015 #136

Because you don't know what is there, or why. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #137

This entire thread STARTED with the killing of Salmon on the Colombia River, bvar22 Jul 2015 #153

The rivers are over-temp upriver of any power plant of any type. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #157

The amount of heat any power generating station is allowed to put into the river is carefully regula AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #60

So it IS possible for the heat discharge from a Nuke Plant to destroy a river's ecology. bvar22 Jul 2015 #62

Not in the United States, no. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #68

Oh Yes! bvar22 Jul 2015 #70

In this case the limits and enforcement are public record. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #75

I've live in the USA for over 60 years, bvar22 Jul 2015 #78

Anyone can stick a temp probe in those rivers and verify. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #79

And that is ALL iI have done... bvar22 Jul 2015 #94

What's your carbon neutral heat? Wood? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #98

Are you burning coal, nuke or petroleum products for heat? bvar22 Jul 2015 #99

Unrelated issue. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #100

Again, your imagination replaces reality. bvar22 Jul 2015 #108

My home is 100% powered by hydroelectric through a local co-op. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #111

Another falsehood. bvar22 Jul 2015 #120

You started lying and misrepresenting in post 69 so don't play the wounded animal. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #122

And while we're on the subject of lies, don't forget post 84. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #124

Wrong again. bvar22 Aug 2015 #158

Already addresss this. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #159

Moving goalposts again. bvar22 Aug 2015 #160

Adds heat that could remain out of he heat engine of the atmosphere for a long time. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #161

Wood Rot and decomposition releases heat and carbon too. bvar22 Aug 2015 #168

Can you look up what "long time" means? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #170

You have no idea what the heat was like here passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #22

I'm from Oregon and love the Columbia River Gorge davidpdx Jul 2015 #36

I call it the eighth wonder of the world passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #56

It's been hotter in Portland PasadenaTrudy Jul 2015 #42

Are you ready for some more heat? I know I'm not. neverforget Jul 2015 #82

Shit :( n/t PasadenaTrudy Jul 2015 #89

Yes, we are back in hot mode again passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #118

That's my life here in SoCal PasadenaTrudy Jul 2015 #121

I know the heat has been bad there. bvar22 Aug 2015 #162

Actually, what I've read about Hood passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #163

Where ya gonna go when the Volcano blows? bvar22 Aug 2015 #166

You got it passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #167

This is the new normal. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #171

Global warming, why is this so complicated for you? CreekDog Jul 2015 #125

Global Warming IS complicated, many, many components, many, many sources, many, many LIES. bvar22 Jul 2015 #142

An issue already well understood and a case example of AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #147

NO. Not well understood. bvar22 Jul 2015 #150

You didn't even know if there was a reactor(s) on the Columbia so... AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #21

A quick search shows at least 2 DirtyHippyBastard Jul 2015 #14

The Trojan plant was closed about twenty years ago. FuzzyRabbit Jul 2015 #16

yep and oops. nt DirtyHippyBastard Jul 2015 #17

You know Hanford's leaky barrels of nuclear waste are just up stream where the Columbia bends... Tikki Jul 2015 #44

Nuclear waste is a problem, but not one that contriubtes to the river temperature. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #165

There used to be one, the Trojan Plant (i think), but it's been long shut down. I don't know of any rhett o rick Jul 2015 #54

Yeah, Hanford has been leaking into the Columbia River for ages. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #128

This is not only a disaster DFW Jul 2015 #4

I'm glad to see- ruffburr Jul 2015 #7

You'd THINK it would be obvious DFW Jul 2015 #9

The situation is dire passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #24

And here in Pasadena PasadenaTrudy Jul 2015 #43

Yes, you're right. Eventually it will be us. But is sure ruined my night and will through the whole trillion Jul 2015 #33

these salmon are the canaries in the coal mine restorefreedom Jul 2015 #71

Victims of global warming, as will be all of the animals and fish that eat them in geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5

This has been the hottest year I've ever experienced in the PNW Matariki Jul 2015 #8

I share your discomfort passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #25

Poor cats davidpdx Jul 2015 #37

The coming disaster Thespian2 Jul 2015 #10

Are we past saving the planet yet? Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #11

The planet... deathrind Jul 2015 #55

WA Fishing closures and restrictions 7/18 KT2000 Jul 2015 #12

Just 5 to 6 degrees......wow. eom a kennedy Jul 2015 #18

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #20

Another related loss...the Sturgeon... countryjake Jul 2015 #23

we have sturgeon in the sacramento river shanti Jul 2015 #66

I don't know, shanti, maybe with the ongoing drought you've got down there... countryjake Jul 2015 #103

i don't know anything about sturgeon shanti Jul 2015 #109

I Saw The Dams Spilling Water Saturday Yallow Jul 2015 #27

I live just down the Columbia River valley from the Methow, cilla4progress Jul 2015 #81

T_T abelenkpe Jul 2015 #28

This site really needs up vote buttons. trillion Jul 2015 #34

Here trillion Jul 2015 #35

I live on the bank of the Willamette River grasswire Jul 2015 #29

K & R Duppers Jul 2015 #30

kick Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #31

not a good sign at all.Yet Republicans refuse to listen to reason. riversedge Jul 2015 #32

In 2008, The Democrats held the White House, bvar22 Jul 2015 #63

opened up the Seattle Times to this. artislife Jul 2015 #38

The canary in the coal mine packman Jul 2015 #39

This is just the beginning.... deathrind Jul 2015 #41

opposite problem in Alaska J_J_ Jul 2015 #45

50 cents a pound? My distributor charges my co-op $8/pound killbotfactory Jul 2015 #154

Yikes. Well, best keep trying to Wall St our way out of this mess. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #47

all pacific salmon die when they spawn Hamlette Jul 2015 #48

True, except that these Salmon were on their way "to spawn." ffr Jul 2015 #53

Bit of advice for those reading this thread: get used to it. hatrack Jul 2015 #49

As long as big oil, gas, and coal are in charge d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #50

Big Oil, Gas, Coal, Fracking, and NUKE Plants. bvar22 Jul 2015 #113

Focus more on nighttime lows than daytime highs ffr Jul 2015 #51

That is why the last heat spell was so unbearable here passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #119

How awful! DawgHouse Jul 2015 #59

Sockeye is the expensive salmon, you know the wild caught salmon in high end restaurants. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #72

Meanwhile in Michigan. roamer65 Jul 2015 #74

kick and rec love_katz Jul 2015 #83

They fail to mention that dams have a significant impact on water temperature Zorra Jul 2015 #95

This is becuase we had a very small or no snow pack. Sam_Fields Jul 2015 #152

It's been hot as fuck in the Pacific NW Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #164