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123. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7005752

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 09:08 AM

Jul 2015

I think this is the ugly thread you are referring to? Octafish is a magnificent beautiful and deeply patriotic DU member. His contributions and research work are of extreme value for those that strive to be well informed.

It boils down to simple bullying. And I enjoy a healthy debate with all internet bullies and I always engage with respect, as "the other side" is as passionate about their beliefs as I am about mine. It does get tiring fighting the same battles over and over again for decades, but the price of Democracy is eternal vigilance. And as my hero Frank Zappa has said, it's impossible to change somebodies mind. They will agree with you only if they already agree with you.

But on facebook, mostly, if I see something egregious and flat out wrong, I will not let it stand without offering a significant opposing viewpoint. And I never do personal attacks or loose my temper. I respond to conservative thread on FB bitching about liberals and often my post ends the discussion entirely. No comebacks or attacks. I posted my viewpoints on Senator Chris Murphy's FB about the Iran nuke deal yesterday, and I'm still the last post out of maybe 450 as of this morning. (If I got that right)

Bernie responds like that, too. He's always respectful to his opposition and doesn't do personal attacks and sticks to his issues. The recent MTP is an example of Bernie in action. I think there's some Ghandi channeling going on with this method, which I consider the most effective in moving the ball down the field.

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What? Kentuck left *too*!? When the hell did that happen? villager Jul 2015 #1

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+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #268

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I can only assume that is what the admin wants zeemike Jul 2015 #334

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+1,000,000 n/t MissDeeds Jul 2015 #467

Yup, and using the same center/right tactics LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #332

The c-righties apparently drove woomewithscience off as well. Zorra Jul 2015 #347

Woo, too!? villager Jul 2015 #389

That is depressing beyond words. hifiguy Jul 2015 #420

WHAT?!! Oh no... CrawlingChaos Jul 2015 #424

+1000 Maven Jul 2015 #377

You WILL "root for" the approved laundry, hifiguy Jul 2015 #418

Bingo. laundry_queen Jul 2015 #431

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7005752 90-percent Jul 2015 #123

Maybe I should quit calling everybody "Sewer Rats" BlueJazz Jul 2015 #276

The Octafish appreciation thread also turned into a sewer? merrily Jul 2015 #133

Octafish threads always turn into sewers. polly7 Jul 2015 #140

Are you saying fans of Octafish are hyenas? merrily Jul 2015 #143

No, by 'fans', i mean those that follow from thread to thread derailing polly7 Jul 2015 #149

Ah, stalking trolls or trolling stalkers. Take your pick. merrily Jul 2015 #154

Octafish is a treasure here. polly7 Jul 2015 #156

Octafish and I insisted on keeping the Bush's truth posted on DU since the early days. blm Jul 2015 #229

They don't like to be discomfited because they are, at core, apologists for the status quo villager Jul 2015 #238

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this place is NOTHING like when I joined in 2001 DrDan Jul 2015 #75

The community grew. Very quickly. Godhumor Jul 2015 #79

"The community grew. Very quickly" awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #408

Nah, don't buy it Godhumor Jul 2015 #412

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Me too. n/t Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #425

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DU today is what we made it... SidDithers Jul 2015 #102

... HFRN Jul 2015 #103

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The simple truth. greytdemocrat Jul 2015 #130

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As would you...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #243

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You've always been one of my favorites. Spot on. n/t Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #427

and roaches (unless they take the roaches with them) emsimon33 Jul 2015 #502

+1000. And some go to ghoulish lengths to make things personal just R B Garr Jul 2015 #303

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Oh, the irony. nt Maven Jul 2015 #378

I don't think there is anything ironic about it. DU3 has allowed everyone's worst impulses to be on stevenleser Jul 2015 #473

And a big problem with the hides... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #410

And it is pretty much EXACTLY what I feared back when DU3 started and it was explained. stevenleser Jul 2015 #476

I think the jury system could have / could still work... SidDithers Jul 2015 #478

It would require admins periodically reviewing jury decisions vs those rules and eliminating those stevenleser Jul 2015 #479

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There it is Android3.14 Jul 2015 #164

The increase of posters with the unpleasant ability to Zorra Jul 2015 #189

That pretty well sums up what I see. nt JEB Jul 2015 #297

This hifiguy Jul 2015 #421

In the early years of DU, most of the people here were angry supporters of Gore-Lieberman. MADem Jul 2015 #428

+1 nt steve2470 Jul 2015 #435

+1 treestar Jul 2015 #471

Well said... Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #219

Exactly nt Andy823 Jul 2015 #273

Wow. Orrex Jul 2015 #237

It was certainly not progressive during the great gay purge of 2009 dbackjon Jul 2015 #400

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #407

This thread has me in stitches, Kitty. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #450

Well, in some ways it's understandable. We were all united against Bushco -- Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #322

Well, yes. Except I remember endless flamefests following Kerry's loss LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #444

I remember such things back as far as a decade ago myself Fearless Jul 2015 #458

It's not even the same since I joined, which was not that many years ago. merrily Jul 2015 #146

Much has been lost in this forum since 2004 liberal N proud Jul 2015 #182

You put your finger on it. MBS Jul 2015 #240

She was bullied for her thorough research Control-Z Jul 2015 #350

Me, too - but even more: MBS Jul 2015 #360

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Jul 2015 #390

Let's not re-write history Caretha Jul 2015 #437

Don't accuse me of making up shit. Control-Z Jul 2015 #443

Of course not Caretha Jul 2015 #445

+1 n/t JTFrog Jul 2015 #485

yup Marrah_G Jul 2015 #465

You are the one making shit up. JTFrog Jul 2015 #484

She often linked to her own posts or to material that actually provided little support Maven Jul 2015 #383

+1 Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #472

I miss her--her links were good; I learned a lot from them. nt MADem Jul 2015 #429

Thank you. MBS Jul 2015 #452

I knew she was one person--those aspersions about her being a paid poster or a bot or MADem Jul 2015 #453

Yes to everything you said! n/t MBS Jul 2015 #464

I have not been here that long GitRDun Jul 2015 #253

Very good points. MBS Jul 2015 #361

No, it's not. HuckleB Jul 2015 #487

It's a matter of trust. sgtbenobo Jul 2015 #32

Well, shit. Warpy Jul 2015 #33

Res Ipsa Loquitur. merrily Jul 2015 #63

Racial Pepsi Cola? Orrex Jul 2015 #299

Ca va sans dire, if you'd like. Igel Jul 2015 #362

No kidding underpants Jul 2015 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author olddots Jul 2015 #2

Because a professional journalist who breathlessly reported what he thought was a major scoop, Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #3

A few years later? Like 9? Where the hell did that come 7wo7rees Jul 2015 #6

because he once said something impolite about the president Scootaloo Jul 2015 #9

Impolite? He used the same language Ted Nugent uses, and has doubled and tripled geek tragedy Jul 2015 #13

No, Ted Nugent tells Obama "suck on my machine gun" while brandishing an assault rifle Scootaloo Jul 2015 #17

They both called him a "piece of shit" geek tragedy Jul 2015 #22

You know what, you are too emotionally involved. akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #27

If that is 'too emotionally involved', then so is anyone worrying about why Will Pitt muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #77

Yeah concern trolling a 9 year old post, because GD is kinda nice/polite ATM and the shit stirrers Rex Jul 2015 #335

Free speech says you can say what you want, for sure... Adrahil Jul 2015 #98

There is no free speech on DU Democat Jul 2015 #460

There ain't no "free speech" at DU. There are limits to it here. MADem Jul 2015 #474

I've read again and again that he was in extreme distress then and apologized later. merrily Jul 2015 #163

Pitt gets the respect he shows others here. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #186

Pitt gets insulted personally and individually for a post he makes about some politician or other. merrily Jul 2015 #193

ironically, I do believe the person posted that in an attempt to defend it. geek tragedy Jul 2015 #198

And he is a journalist? I dont know this person, but how could he still be a journalist AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #255

not a journalist these days, more of a polemicist nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #256

What is his name at truthout? AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #266

and how would you describe yourself these days? grasswire Jul 2015 #283

Plus a fucking thousand. hifiguy Jul 2015 #422

I actually defended him for the "piece of shit used car salesman" comment. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #14

It's also apples and oranges in a way. merrily Jul 2015 #174

Yep. IMHO the wrong posters are leaving. JEB Jul 2015 #214

IMO, that is usually the case. merrily Jul 2015 #270

Said "something bad" about Obama? What was it? Not comparing Obama to a used car salesman Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #262

I used to say that George W. was meant to be an armadillo herder. grasswire Jul 2015 #287

The problem here is that people are emotionally attached to the politician so they neverforget Jul 2015 #375

Yup. I could rattle off a damn list of these people Scootaloo Jul 2015 #416

+1 840high Jul 2015 #454

Ditto. Some folks are indeed emotionally attached to a politician as to stocks! Although being Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #477

It was a little more than impolite, however, I do not think that is the reason. Will has still_one Jul 2015 #44

Hasn't stopped people from chasing him around with it, that I've seen Scootaloo Jul 2015 #45

some, but he isn't that thin-skinned. I don't know why he is leaving, and he sure didn't indicate still_one Jul 2015 #48

Some? Some? Are you kidding? merrily Jul 2015 #179

Oh but then he had a follow-up.... Adrahil Jul 2015 #101

He made a crude comment about a politician who will never see it and could care less, even if he merrily Jul 2015 #175

I guess you're willing to overlook the personal insults he levies against his fellow DUers. randome Jul 2015 #183

After they swarm to harass and hector him endlessly? merrily Jul 2015 #187

WilliamPitt is not some gentle lamb who needs people to stand up for him. randome Jul 2015 #199

gawd I how detest the swooning pieces of shit Skittles Jul 2015 #414

If the "scoop" had turned out to be correct, Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #10

Could you enlighten me, then, as to why it has been brought up at all right now? Hissyspit Jul 2015 #29

I don't know. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #36

It will come up from time to time... Hissyspit Jul 2015 #37

The... onyourleft Jul 2015 #83

I dunno.... Adrahil Jul 2015 #104

It will come up from time to time in the same way that the Oscar thread does, LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #451

Because a group of concern trolls were getting mad that GD was somewhat nice and polite Rex Jul 2015 #340

I'd say it was the work of one individual and not a conspiracy at all. YMMV. randome Jul 2015 #355

Us? See that is it right there, your little group of friends made this too obvious Rex Jul 2015 #358

No they wouldn't, even Will agreed he was wrong to use those vulgarites against the president. still_one Jul 2015 #47

Especially since he publicly derided people who doubted him. Adrahil Jul 2015 #92

"No ground for complaint does not follow from praise for years that never happened. merrily Jul 2015 #185

speaking as a retired editor... grasswire Jul 2015 #296

It's ugly. Mob like. Thug like. Then again, I've seen that with posters other than Will. merrily Jul 2015 #305

Key word, always the same (tolerated and coddled) group nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #312

Oh, that's too good! That OP was not about Obama at all but used car salesmen? randome Jul 2015 #352

yours is a disingenuous post, randome grasswire Jul 2015 #387

This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #10

9 years? It was less than that. nt brush Jul 2015 #107

And of course, Nye, you and I have always been right and been correctly informed about JDPriestly Jul 2015 #65

Yes, everyone makes mistakes. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #67

Ahem, that was precisely a call out nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #290

Everyone makes mistakes. MADem Jul 2015 #191

+1, very wise post, especially considering the written word constitutes R B Garr Jul 2015 #364

Okay. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #462

More recently, his "big scoop" on a Turbo Tax "hack" turned out to be bullshit as well. PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #97

I was thinking the same thing Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #120

Forgot about that one! Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #264

Breathlessly!!! reported. polly7 Jul 2015 #147

"Professional journalist" LOL tabasco Jul 2015 #159

+1 Myrina Jul 2015 #224

Because DU is really a 3rd way promotion tool? Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #7

'Spect so. H2O Man Jul 2015 #15

Four legs good, two legs better TransitJohn Jul 2015 #30

Indeed. nt raouldukelives Jul 2015 #336

Some of the resident bullies want to turn it into one Warpy Jul 2015 #34

Agreed Sherman A1 Jul 2015 #68

That is part of the problem, they cannot disrupt GD anymore with their garbage. Rex Jul 2015 #342

you are wrong. It allows all spectrums of Democratic thought, from the left to middle to right. still_one Jul 2015 #49

Lol. The is only the Corporate Approved Candidate. Anything else allowed to Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #56

I thought we are talking about DU? Are you saying DU is part of some "conspiracy" to allow positive still_one Jul 2015 #59

Triple that! Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #88

Its always open season on any candidate other than the approved one Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #99

Then GTFO? Adrahil Jul 2015 #231

Armchair tough guy speaks :) Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #394

Wtf? This has nothing to do with "tough guy" bullshit Adrahil Jul 2015 #396

I'm here for the entertainment value sometimes Caretha Jul 2015 #438

See post #394 :) Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #440

All spectrums of Democratic thought, from the left to middle to right? MattSh Jul 2015 #60

Obviously you don't subscribe to Howard Dean's 50 state strategy, or history for that matter. still_one Jul 2015 #61

Those so-called democrats on the right may have been the democrats turning over black jtuck004 Jul 2015 #74

You are right, but I was just pointing out they have always existed in the party. still_one Jul 2015 #192

The site owners are *obviously* centrists, and Left leaning posters are periodically purged. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #203

Nailed. It. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #201

Tinoire was the one to -- Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2015 #234

She's another valuable contributor that DU lost n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #275

Her and her sister. n/t Scurrilous Jul 2015 #395

+1 nt Zorra Jul 2015 #310

Truth Caretha Jul 2015 #439

It just gets so tedious to have the usual scolds show up SoCalDem Jul 2015 #461

Tinoire? She left, to start 'Progressive Independent', now 'The Bell Forum', firmly communist muriel_volestrangler Jul 2015 #498

You are actually correct nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #293

It is very much starting to look that way. hifiguy Jul 2015 #423

What thread? SheilaT Jul 2015 #8

This one Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #19

because there are too many FUCKING ASSHOLES on DU Skittles Jul 2015 #12

" H2O Man Jul 2015 #16

Can I hug you Skittles, always loved you even with your ass kicking LOL akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #25

sine qua non n/t Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #26

A jury agreed with me, while a host did not. The post stands, but I am blocked from the Gungeon. Electric Monk Jul 2015 #31

Count your blessings. Warpy Jul 2015 #35

I would consider it an honor to be blocked from that POS group Skittles Jul 2015 #46

I'm barred from both the Barack Obama and Hillary groups. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #66

I AM ALSO BANNED Skittles Jul 2015 #71

I don't feel angry about being banned in Barack Obama or Hillary's groups. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #72

THINK TIGER BEAT Skittles Jul 2015 #73

Lol! cwydro Jul 2015 #81

Think Bernie Sanders Group! KittyWampus Jul 2015 #158

When Bernie Sanders' supporters post endless shirtless pics BuelahWitch Jul 2015 #226

Being banned from certain groups here is like being on Nixon's Enemies List. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #90

I dont think it's fair to compare the attitude to Nixon's enemies list HFRN Jul 2015 #115

Yep. I avoid certain groups because I know if I speak the truth I might get PPRd. hifiguy Jul 2015 #426

I communicated with those Caretha Jul 2015 #442

Changes to DU have MADE it more divisive and bitter. stillwaiting Jul 2015 #84

Yeah, there seems to be a huge grudge match between a handful of prolific posters that seem to think Chathamization Jul 2015 #188

Allowed it to become. Igel Jul 2015 #365

Do you not find it very very Caretha Jul 2015 #441

you have to completely kiss candidate ass Skittles Jul 2015 #496

unban me Thanks. stonecutter357 Aug 2015 #504

So Bansalot only blocks posters after they have a post hidden by a jury? hack89 Jul 2015 #482

GCRA blocks people who think solving a problem by having more of it is a good idea. nt Electric Monk Jul 2015 #486

And RKBA blocks people that repeatly disrupt. hack89 Jul 2015 #488

There is no RKBA Group on DU. That right there is your major malfunction. Electric Monk Jul 2015 #489

You can discuss gun contol - we do it all the time hack89 Jul 2015 #490

I'll side with Skinner on this Electric Monk Jul 2015 #491

So stop mentioning that jury result if it is irrelevant to the issue hack89 Jul 2015 #492

There is no RKBA Group on DU. That right there is your major malfunction. Electric Monk Jul 2015 #493

You are not making much sense here hack89 Jul 2015 #494

Couldn't a said it better myself. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #38

+1,000 CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #42

It has always been that way still_one Jul 2015 #50

Indeed. n/t demmiblue Jul 2015 #52

The guy doing the GBCW could be very unkind when he had a mind to.... MADem Jul 2015 #57

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Skittles Jul 2015 #58

Whatever, then! nt MADem Jul 2015 #64

yes, exhibit OVER Skittles Jul 2015 #70

Yes, it certainly is over. LOL! KittyWampus Jul 2015 #177

Plus a million. nt. polly7 Jul 2015 #152

How nice of you to explain. elias49 Jul 2015 #82

I wasn't explaining--I was just expressing my singular view, MADem Jul 2015 #145

I know we don't often agree, cwydro Jul 2015 #93

Thank you. MADem Jul 2015 #148

Lol! It's a busy little avatar for sure! cwydro Jul 2015 #190

Not sure which "anniversary" you meant DFW Jul 2015 #118

No, no, no--not you at all. MADem Jul 2015 #165

Oh, OK. I didn't think so DFW Jul 2015 #227

Agree he'll be back treestar Jul 2015 #134

^THIS Marrah_G Jul 2015 #69

Yes, and those saying that whathehell Jul 2015 #110

You're kidding right? The cadre of folks who attacked Obama relentlessly can't take any criticism? stevenleser Jul 2015 #151

Right backatcha!!!! nt. polly7 Jul 2015 #153

That post doesnt make any sense at all. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #155

Really??? polly7 Jul 2015 #157

And your version of events is still incorrect. But please continue. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #160

BULLSHIT. nt. polly7 Jul 2015 #161

Nope. I have two kids. I would never laugh at the loss of a child. So you can stop manipulating stevenleser Jul 2015 #162

Well you did! polly7 Jul 2015 #166

Nope, the laughter was at your inability to prove my contention wrong. And you wanted to distract stevenleser Jul 2015 #168

i received a lot of pm's too. polly7 Jul 2015 #173

I'm sure you did. I have many detractors here who would leap at any criticisms of me stevenleser Jul 2015 #178

You're a sick, sick person. nt. polly7 Jul 2015 #244

Your trying desperately hard to manipulate things to make it seem that way, that's for sure. stevenleser Jul 2015 #246

Your post spoke for itself. polly7 Jul 2015 #251

Your manipulative response spoke for itself too. I can't imagine doing that to someone. stevenleser Jul 2015 #252

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #259

Stop pretending and playing the martyr, OK? You know exactly what you did. stevenleser Jul 2015 #261

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #265

No, I didn't and you didn't even bother to ask what I meant. You ran with it like you loved it. stevenleser Jul 2015 #267

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #271

A liar? Its exactly what you did. It's what you continued to do here. In a completely unrelated stevenleser Jul 2015 #274

On to me? polly7 Jul 2015 #281

Yep, other folks pointed out that what you were doing was manipulating the situation. stevenleser Jul 2015 #284

And for the record, I am not the person who alerted. The person who clued me in that you were stevenleser Jul 2015 #288

you need help and a lot of it. stonecutter357 Aug 2015 #505

Yeah, it's hard to fit that person's behavior into anything resembling stevenleser Aug 2015 #508

I've got PM's too... SidDithers Jul 2015 #302

Yup, several folks in that thread back in February got abusive PMs. That was months before the stevenleser Jul 2015 #306

Thank you, stevenleser!!! Some people go to ghoulish lengths just to make R B Garr Jul 2015 #311

Thank you. I didn't know what I was seeing when she started in on me. I made the assumption that stevenleser Jul 2015 #314

100% correct. You didn't deserve any of that. R B Garr Jul 2015 #374

You did NOT deserve that crap. Sorry she treated you like shit.nt bravenak Jul 2015 #417

Thank you. I have seen some screwed up behavior on DU and online but this stevenleser Jul 2015 #434

I know what she was doing. I know because I have know very manipulative people who like to bravenak Jul 2015 #446

I'm very sorry to hear that but I am grateful you shared that stevenleser Jul 2015 #447

Thank you.nt bravenak Jul 2015 #448

You know, I missed that whole episode, and have only been able to piece it bit by bit..... msanthrope Aug 2015 #507

You would not believe what that person pulled. PM me and we'll talk stevenleser Aug 2015 #509

Oh and if it is one of those abusive PMs, post it as a response here before alerting on it. stevenleser Aug 2015 #513

seen it doens of times before- and you are right, often over an initially small disagreement- there bettyellen Aug 2015 #512

yes it does. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #463

No, it doesn't and your post is even more unclear and more bizarre. Nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #468

Standing with polly7. Right back at you Leser! nt 7wo7rees Jul 2015 #196

It doesn't matter if one or one thousand believe something wrong, it's still wrong. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #209

Agreed. One of DU's worst. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #200

Ouch! That arrow hit the mark! nt MADem Jul 2015 #169

I really don't understand how some of these folks can post this crap after all they have said. stevenleser Jul 2015 #232

+1. nt MADem Jul 2015 #247

What Skittles said. Octafish Jul 2015 #172

Yup, DU is full of assholes...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #180

How do you define asshole, SidDithers of DU? Octafish Jul 2015 #202

No... SidDithers Jul 2015 #208

Is that why you use those terms to smear me? Octafish Jul 2015 #217

I said you promote homophobes, racists and anti-Semites, octafish of DU... SidDithers Jul 2015 #220

I quoted articles they wrote to shed light on Bush crimes. Octafish Jul 2015 #230

Except, according to your self professed principles, you can't call them crimes. No convictions. stevenleser Jul 2015 #241

That was a nice smear, ''rapist apologist,'' stevenleser. Octafish Jul 2015 #248

Then answer. Why do you treat accused rapists different from everyone else? stevenleser Jul 2015 #249

Like I wrote and you could not figure out: the point is Justice. Octafish Jul 2015 #278

And as several of us have pointed out, that supposed principle is unevenly applied. stevenleser Jul 2015 #300

Of course I have. Journalists do not call suspected rapists, ''rapist.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #325

What, you want links to posts where you're promoting PCR, or Madsen, or Bollyn?... SidDithers Jul 2015 #245

No need to. I just posted them in Reply #217. Octafish Jul 2015 #250

I never claimed you were wrong, octafish of DU... SidDithers Jul 2015 #254

A 'propensity.' Octafish Jul 2015 #269

Semantics... SidDithers Jul 2015 #301

Keep digging, SidDithers of DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #321

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive Jul 2015 #497

why.... thank you for the compliment sid......nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #506

the racist, anti-semetic and homophobic sources you constantly link to here are all total assholes bettyellen Aug 2015 #511

Yep, You can always tell when they pucker up. nt raouldukelives Jul 2015 #337

I didn't mean to say all conservatives are assholes.. Zorra Jul 2015 #194

May you grow a thousand more legs, mighty Skittles. You'll need them. n/t winter is coming Jul 2015 #205

The worst offenders are actually very few but very prolific newthinking Jul 2015 #272

But it wouldn't be DU without fucking assholes Armstead Jul 2015 #286

When did THAT become the norm? sibelian Jul 2015 #399

They act like big game hunters Generic Other Jul 2015 #317

yep n/t n2doc Jul 2015 #346

Skittles cuts out all the unnessessary words and gets to the core of the matter. Rex Jul 2015 #359

You're so correct and a lot of them wear it with pride. neverforget Jul 2015 #392

Marry me! Marrah_G Jul 2015 #466

Results of your jury, dear Skittles Generic Other Jul 2015 #495

typical Skittles Jul 2015 #500

Yes indeed. Owl Jul 2015 #499

Hmm. I like DU and to me it doesn't seem abnormal or hostile. PatrickforO Jul 2015 #18

That is a healthy perspective, not only hear, but for a lot things still_one Jul 2015 #51

Surely, people don't really believe they're leaving? alcibiades_mystery Jul 2015 #20

Heh Egnever Jul 2015 #23

Will we ever learn? GusBob Jul 2015 #76

I think it's a way for some to validate their worth on a message board. AngryOldDem Jul 2015 #78

ITA DawgHouse Jul 2015 #116

This ^^^^^^^^^ treestar Jul 2015 #142

Thank you for a good morning chuckle!! MADem Jul 2015 #171

Because the system does not want to hear the truth! akbacchus_BC Jul 2015 #21

They are leaving because the levels of intellectual dishonesty here on DU Maedhros Jul 2015 #28

It is a discussion board for gosh sakes with different views. still_one Jul 2015 #53

And yet Maedhros is correct. n/t Igel Jul 2015 #371

^^ This. I hope we still have a domestic barrel industry. winter is coming Jul 2015 #210

I think I would have said: "utterly self-destructive proportions..." sibelian Jul 2015 #401

There are four kinds of posters on DU: Maedhros Jul 2015 #404

Once the critical mass has been acheived... sibelian Jul 2015 #406

When I identify posters as types 1 - 3, I place them on ignore. Maedhros Jul 2015 #409

Well, to be fair DU is an openly declared "type 2" website. sibelian Jul 2015 #415

There are other kinds LiberalEsto Jul 2015 #436

That's the result of such a toxic forum. Maedhros Jul 2015 #459

From which side? dbackjon Jul 2015 #403

That would be you, for throwing a pejorative "Ron Paul" out there. Maedhros Jul 2015 #405

This happens every primary DonCoquixote Jul 2015 #39

Actually, I have seen it worse at times still_one Jul 2015 #54

Kentuck had at least one post this morning? question everything Jul 2015 #40

I guess someone better let Kentuck know, because everyone else in this thread seems to still_one Jul 2015 #55

Tonight's Kentuck post..... Elwood P Dowd Jul 2015 #62

That's Pitt's not Kentuck's... (nt) question everything Jul 2015 #211

Wait for the page to load Go Vols Jul 2015 #292

Thanks. Many posts there question everything Jul 2015 #391

Based on past history, I'd say that William Pitt will be back after a hiatus. Crunchy Frog Jul 2015 #41

Or after sleeping it off. n/t JTFrog Jul 2015 #225

Apparently, Will Pitt had his feelings hurt because of an old post someone dredged up. cwydro Jul 2015 #43

One of two things should happen IMO LiberalElite Jul 2015 #85

Succinctly put. nt cwydro Jul 2015 #91

Pitt has a few other issues than just being wrong about Rove mythology Jul 2015 #207

Excellent, universally applicable advice... Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #87

yes, but I have to give kudos for the drama on this one Jersey Devil Jul 2015 #96

Over/under on the return thread is 260 recs alcibiades_mystery Jul 2015 #124

I wouldn't bet against that!! MADem Jul 2015 #176

Good grief people I go on vacation and people freak and leave DU underpants Jul 2015 #86

You know what, though? There is something about you that I STILL MISS!!!!!! MADem Jul 2015 #181

We just fall apart when we lose our underpants Oilwellian Jul 2015 #184

So they can bask in all the attention being paid to them. Codeine Jul 2015 #89

+1...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #95

This has gotta happen every 5 years or so Jersey Devil Jul 2015 #94

Going to the mattresses? CTyankee Jul 2015 #100

You could also work "Ground Hog Day" into this one Jersey Devil Jul 2015 #105

I always miss the drama. CTyankee Jul 2015 #106

With meatballs, it's gravy. Ask any Italian who makes pasta and Sunday gravy. merrily Jul 2015 #108

Ah, yes. Gravy. CTyankee Jul 2015 #114

L'ombra lo sa! n/t DFW Jul 2015 #121

non lo so... CTyankee Jul 2015 #126

Bisogno domandare all'ombra! DFW Jul 2015 #131

io non domando... CTyankee Jul 2015 #139

My mom was Sicilian, she was the first generation born in the US. None of her family ever called seaglass Jul 2015 #127

I dunno. In Joisey it ain't gravy unless you add leftover pork chops or a piece of leftover steak Jersey Devil Jul 2015 #119

Brooklyn says Joisey. Joisey don't (sic) say it that way. Most of the Italians I know, merrily Jul 2015 #128

Well, my Dad used to say Boigenfield (Bergenfield), "Joisey" and would change the "earl" in his car Jersey Devil Jul 2015 #380

I have seen folks put a piece of a pork chop in the gravy and I think the bone CTyankee Jul 2015 #129

And when it's made with cornflakes, what's it called then? JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2015 #341

I give up, merrily Jul 2015 #348

My decision to revert to lurker status here deutsey Jul 2015 #112

Not here since 2001, but it sure has gone downhill since I joined. merrily Jul 2015 #132

Yes x 10. Thanks for stepping into the fray. 7wo7rees Jul 2015 #206

I have missed your voice Generic Other Jul 2015 #316

Thank you! deutsey Jul 2015 #470

Here's something I posted on DU of old, a loooong time ago, back when I was "baby_mouse"... sibelian Jul 2015 #331

Because this website... sibelian Jul 2015 #113

No, it's not. cwydro Jul 2015 #117

Yeah, not like it is these days. sibelian Jul 2015 #318

Nah, just the Primary cycle... JCMach1 Jul 2015 #215

Nah, there have been toxic posters stinking up the place consistently since I've been here. Maedhros Jul 2015 #298

A mob. Though some aspects of a relentless Greek Chorus are also present. merrily Jul 2015 #320

Less a mob, more a tribe. Maedhros Jul 2015 #333

This is no ordinary Primary cycle. sibelian Jul 2015 #398

They'll be back. One of them took some time off right after the last election, B Calm Jul 2015 #122

Asked but never answered. It's a mystery! randome Jul 2015 #125

Kentuck is progressive ? I didn't know that? treestar Jul 2015 #136

Kentuck will be a major loss to this community. Will be missed. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #137

I think Kentuck was jesting in that thread. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #138

Wasn't his possible departure phrased in the form of a question? MADem Jul 2015 #195

Kentuck often posed things as rhetorical questions Armstead Jul 2015 #304

I will miss Kentuck. n/t tabasco Jul 2015 #150

Have they ever come off as self-absorbed flighty creative personalities with hurt feelings? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #167

Close the thread. Codeine Jul 2015 #197

All that's needed is a couple of "appreciation" threads with hundreds MineralMan Jul 2015 #233

The 'creative' part extends to liberally peppering one's posts with 'fuck' and 'shit'. randome Jul 2015 #236

Yep, Andy823 Jul 2015 #280

Kentuck is definetly NOT that Armstead Jul 2015 #289

They are welcome to return, the sooner the better. I understand their frustration and disappointment leveymg Jul 2015 #170

The more this website becomes a Rightwing/"Centrist" safe haven, the more people will leave. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #204

They seem not to want the left here at all Generic Other Jul 2015 #338

That seems to be the objective of a cadre of posters LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #343

Pitt was due for his annual temper tantrum theboss Jul 2015 #212

Will Pitt has left DU more times than I have fingers (and possibly toes) JCMach1 Jul 2015 #213

I don't get why people still fall for this routine theboss Jul 2015 #216

It's just Will JCMach1 Jul 2015 #221

Where there's a will, there's drama. Orrex Jul 2015 #257

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc Jul 2015 #218

DU has never pretended to be a news source, but a community... a community that reverts to a den of JCMach1 Jul 2015 #222

+1 merrily Jul 2015 #323

Pitt leaves every couple of years ... Myrina Jul 2015 #223

Perhaps the time has come avebury Jul 2015 #228

Want them to come back? Well, just start an "Appreciation Thread." MineralMan Jul 2015 #235

I read Will Pitt's postings to see what people were talking about three days ago. Orrex Jul 2015 #242

You could go to Alternet Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #282

SHort version, because we have a school yard nadinbrzezinski Jul 2015 #279

probably because of crap like this. I would have deleted if some one had the decency to ask me Hiraeth Jul 2015 #285

Totally bogus hide. You posted his BUSINESS info, not his personal info. Coventina Jul 2015 #291

Thank you, Coventina for noticing the difference. Hiraeth Jul 2015 #309

No. DIFFERENCE. He is not a "public figure." He's a frigging dentist. MADem Jul 2015 #349

I did read the TOS: private/personal is NOT business info. Coventina Jul 2015 #351

Bullshit--police officers are "public servants." What did you think that MADem Jul 2015 #353

I didn't post the guy's information. I was only saying the poster who did got a bogus hide. Coventina Jul 2015 #354

YOU keep AVOIDING my question--would you like it? Would you want someone here who MADem Jul 2015 #356

OK fine, I wouldn't like it. But I am not a criminal either. If I were to commit a horrible crime Coventina Jul 2015 #357

We have a TOS here for good reason--it's because we're not animals. MADem Jul 2015 #363

People have been murdered in that way long before the internet existed. If some whack-a-doodle Coventina Jul 2015 #366

You are enabling bad behavior with your endorsement of this--can't you see that? MADem Jul 2015 #368

He posted the pictures HIMSELF! He comitted the crime. He chose to brag about said crime Coventina Jul 2015 #370

He didn't post his business address, his profession, and his telephone number, MADem Jul 2015 #372

I don't think you have to worry about the good dentist. If he was worried about his safety, Coventina Jul 2015 #373

I think you are being deliberately obtuse. And, as it turns out, you ARE wrong. MADem Jul 2015 #379

No, I understand your point, I just don't happen to agree with it. Coventina Jul 2015 #384

Well, the admins don't agree with you. So you'd better slow that roll. MADem Jul 2015 #385

I did take a look at it, thanks! Coventina Jul 2015 #388

I'm honestly not sure if that would be considered against the TOS or not. I wonder if Skinner would stevenleser Jul 2015 #367

It would be good to get clarification. Coventina Jul 2015 #369

Looks like Skinner thinks this was a nono. See link... stevenleser Jul 2015 #381

His reply still seems to indicate a gray area, although he deleted the post in question. Coventina Jul 2015 #386

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Jul 2015 #294

His same info is in another thread about this subject. cwydro Jul 2015 #295

IDK but, it would only be fair. I am not on here enough to keep on with all this. Thanks. Hiraeth Jul 2015 #307

i juried a different post that included the contact info fizzgig Jul 2015 #319

I can't understand why. We post business contact info here all the time. Coventina Jul 2015 #324

Maybe those particular jurors enjoy the hunting of sanctuary animals... cwydro Jul 2015 #339

It will be whack-a-mole. That info. is getting out. The more they hide, the more it will be posted. Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #328

That was ridiculous. That info. is all over the Internet. Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #326

Juror #1, YOU should be banned. Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #327

I posted an "Ask the Administrator" about this post because I honestly am not sure. stevenleser Jul 2015 #376

Skinner apparently agrees this post violated that portion of the TOS. stevenleser Jul 2015 #382

All someone had to do was ask me. Hiraeth Jul 2015 #393

Yeah, that doesn't seem fair. I wouldn't have known, like I said. stevenleser Jul 2015 #397

Thanks for understanding. Hiraeth Jul 2015 #449

DUs expert concern trolls seem to be really busy lately trying to run people off. Rex Jul 2015 #330

they have made up their minds. Time to move on. All the best to them. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #344

DU has be ome Rolling Stone Magazine olddots Jul 2015 #402

I'm worried... TeeYiYi Jul 2015 #419

I just noticed how perfectly formed my naval is XRubicon Jul 2015 #411

Naval .... vessel? A destroyer? An aircraft carrier? A submarine? MADem Jul 2015 #475

Thanks for the spell check XRubicon Jul 2015 #480

.......... MADem Jul 2015 #481

After reading through this thread and sub-threads Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #430

I hope Pitt comes back soon. 840high Jul 2015 #455

I don't think so Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #469

The Democratic party is splitting up. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #457

I'd question how many of us still visit the same websites Fearless Jul 2015 #456

In a nutshell... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #503

Yeah, I mean only 98% of people are Sanders supporters. NuclearDem Aug 2015 #510