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Hoyt

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26. They won't get it, they can do that now under 2500 agreements that have been

Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:10 PM

Jul 2015

in place since 1959. This is not something new, except to you and others who don't do any research on the issue.

You don't even know who makes up the tribunal. One arbiter picked by the company, one by the country, one by mutual agreement between the two. It can be a professor, legal expert, environmental experts, the "rent is too high" guy, etc. Look it up.

It takes years to go through these, and the companies don't win very often.

The fact that countries -- including Romania, Britian, Germany, rest of the EU, Bernie's favorite Scandinavian countries, Canada, Mexico, etc., beg to be in these agreements to attract the investments and jobs, ought to tell you something.

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Rosia Montana, an omen for TTIP [View all] n2doc Jul 2015 OP

hope this gets lots of recs and responses rurallib Jul 2015 #1

K&R! Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #2

Kicking.... Hotler Jul 2015 #3

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K&R nenagh Jul 2015 #5

Sounds to me, the "will of the people" won. Gabriel won't get its mine. Hoyt Jul 2015 #6

under TTIP and TTP, corporations can sue for anticipated potential profits, not just actual magical thyme Jul 2015 #22

They won't get it, they can do that now under 2500 agreements that have been Hoyt Jul 2015 #26

like hell they don't. magical thyme Jul 2015 #30

And everyone of those countries are ready to sign another agreement because it attracts needed Hoyt Jul 2015 #32

you clearly didn't read the excerpts from citizen.org that I posted. magical thyme Jul 2015 #34

Thank you for your patience in dealing this pro-Multi-International truedelphi Jul 2015 #56

excerpts from analysis of leaked text of ISDS chapter of TPP magical thyme Jul 2015 #31

You are reading an analysis by someone like Sen Warren, who has not proven her willingness Hoyt Jul 2015 #33

I have provided 3rd party, legal expert sources. Still waiting for a single source for your empty magical thyme Jul 2015 #36

Yeoman's work, my friend Fairgo Jul 2015 #44

Excellent rebuttal! Divernan Jul 2015 #52

good job Mbrow Jul 2015 #54

Thank you for all your efforts to put info like this for us to read! dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #59

K & R. Fast Track, TPP, TTIP. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #7

Oh, that poor, poor mining company. That tyrannical democracy is depriving them of profit. tclambert Jul 2015 #8

Mineral extraction is so profitable. Octafish Jul 2015 #9

Gabriel Resources thirsting for gold and silver? Seems familiar. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #10

Well, Romanian government partnered with Gabriel for jobs and profit. Hoyt Jul 2015 #13

K & R AzDar Jul 2015 #11

K/R Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #12

Romanian government brought them in and even partnered with Gabriel. Hoyt Jul 2015 #14

You're right Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #17

The ISDS doesn't bypass peoples' will. Gabriel/Romania will not get their mine. Hoyt Jul 2015 #27

Incorrect, my good sir Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #35

Like I saif Gabriel will not get its mine, at best it will get some compensation for the facility it Hoyt Jul 2015 #37

I stand on what I said Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #39

Then, Romania and Greece will rot trading among themselves. Our jobs would plummet too Hoyt Jul 2015 #40

If that's a reality, perhaps we need a new paradigm of producing goods and services Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #41

Well, are we supposed to depend on you to raise the capital to build roads, houses, rapid rail, etc. Hoyt Jul 2015 #47

Good grief, Hoyt, you're more of a pessimist than I am Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #50

Sorry, I thought you were one of those that thought all business people are crooked. Hoyt Jul 2015 #55

K & R ybbor Jul 2015 #15

From Bloomberg ... Babel_17 Jul 2015 #16

K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #18

K&R Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #19

Let us destroy your towns and nature and poison you, OR we'll sue your pants off. GOT IT. 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #20

Well you know that our congress handed it over to our president so he could continue in jwirr Jul 2015 #23

At some point back there, several weeks ago 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #24

Fascism writ into the laws of the world. JEB Jul 2015 #21

I'm getting tired of corporations legislating their way d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #25

BOD november3rd Jul 2015 #28

I'm sure that would be called "terrorism" n2doc Jul 2015 #29

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Romania is just the ttip of the iceberg. Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #43

"Free Tade" enslaves the rest of us. Armstead Jul 2015 #45

Indeed, Armstead, I'll stand with Romania. n/t saidsimplesimon Jul 2015 #46

This is a very important article. loudsue Jul 2015 #48

OK. Guys. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #49

+1000 Cleita Jul 2015 #51

^THIS^ SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #53

yes, right on JDPriestly. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #57

Sounds like everything worked out pretty well Recursion Jul 2015 #58