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Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
35. Incorrect, my good sir
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jul 2015

From the article:

This week, Gabriel Resources officially announced that it filed a request for arbitration against Romania before the World Bank's investment dispute settlement centre. According to the company, “through its actions and inactions, Romania has blocked and prevented implementation of the project, effectively depriving Gabriel entirely of the value of its investments”.

Gabriel is able to bring Romania in front of an arbitration tribunal because of bilateral trade treaties Romania signed with Canada (where the company is listed on the stock exchange) and the UK (it is not yet clear whether the company is able to use the treaty with the UK because it has a subsidiary in infamous tax haven Jersey or for another reason).

According to information publicised by Gabriel Resources in Romania, the company has up until now invested half a billion US dollars in the country. Yet in an interview given in 2013, Jonathan Henry, the president and CEO of Gabriel said the company would seek as much as $4 billion in damages from Romania if the project does not go ahead.

Today, Henry does not give out any information about the total amount sought by the company. But if his old threat is true, this would be one of the biggest amounts ever claimed by a corporation from a state in arbitration. As of 2012, the biggest amount awarded under the World Bank's dispute settlement instrument was the $1.77 billion that Ecuador was asked to pay to Occidental Petroleum Corporation.

Romania's total healthcare budget is usually around $1.5 billion annually, meaning that losing the arbitration case could potentially cost Romania the equivalent of three years of state health services. An enormous price to pay for the sake of Gabriel's shareholders, the beneficiaries of an eventual arbitration victory by Gabriel. Almost half of the cases settled via the World Bank's instrument are won by corporations.

Gabriel simply should not have this recourse. No corporation should. To have such a recourse is an end run around government by and for the people. The Romanian government partnered with Gabriel, but the corporation demonstrated that it could not perform its end of the bargain in responsible way (unless you think there's anything responsible about making people sick from cyanide poisoning).

My point is that there should be no ISDS panel of any kind. The government should have the authority to halt any private project that harms the environment or the health of the population. If the investors have a recourse, then they should replace the dodgy corporate officers who misled the Romanian government into thinking nothing could go wrong, or were upfront about it and $weetened the pot so that bureaucrats would approve a deal they knew was bad for the people of Romania. In that case, the investors have an obligation to make sure that the corporation is run by more ethical officers, and the people, in this case the Romanian people, have an obligation to make sure the government is also administrated by people of a higher ethical character as well.

In no case should the corporation, i.e., the corporate officers, be allowed to even think about recovering lost profits because they were not allowed to continue a project that was a menace to public health. Those people created the problem, and they are the one who should pay for it. The people of the nation, whether Romanians or Greeks, should not have to suffer for deals made in their name by corrupt politicians and crooked businessmen. If the people are susceptible to cyanide poisoning or malnourishment as a result of austerity imposed by the powerful, they cannot be held responsible for that. It is a consequence of being made of flesh and blood, unlike a corporation, which exists only on paper.

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hope this gets lots of recs and responses rurallib Jul 2015 #1
K&R! Katashi_itto Jul 2015 #2
Kicking.... Hotler Jul 2015 #3
K&R G_j Jul 2015 #4
K&R nenagh Jul 2015 #5
Sounds to me, the "will of the people" won. Gabriel won't get its mine. Hoyt Jul 2015 #6
under TTIP and TTP, corporations can sue for anticipated potential profits, not just actual magical thyme Jul 2015 #22
They won't get it, they can do that now under 2500 agreements that have been Hoyt Jul 2015 #26
like hell they don't. magical thyme Jul 2015 #30
And everyone of those countries are ready to sign another agreement because it attracts needed Hoyt Jul 2015 #32
you clearly didn't read the excerpts from citizen.org that I posted. magical thyme Jul 2015 #34
Thank you for your patience in dealing this pro-Multi-International truedelphi Jul 2015 #56
excerpts from analysis of leaked text of ISDS chapter of TPP magical thyme Jul 2015 #31
You are reading an analysis by someone like Sen Warren, who has not proven her willingness Hoyt Jul 2015 #33
I have provided 3rd party, legal expert sources. Still waiting for a single source for your empty magical thyme Jul 2015 #36
Yeoman's work, my friend Fairgo Jul 2015 #44
Excellent rebuttal! Divernan Jul 2015 #52
good job Mbrow Jul 2015 #54
Thank you for all your efforts to put info like this for us to read! dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #59
K & R. Fast Track, TPP, TTIP. appalachiablue Jul 2015 #7
Oh, that poor, poor mining company. That tyrannical democracy is depriving them of profit. tclambert Jul 2015 #8
Mineral extraction is so profitable. Octafish Jul 2015 #9
Gabriel Resources thirsting for gold and silver? Seems familiar. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #10
Well, Romanian government partnered with Gabriel for jobs and profit. Hoyt Jul 2015 #13
K & R AzDar Jul 2015 #11
K/R Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #12
Romanian government brought them in and even partnered with Gabriel. Hoyt Jul 2015 #14
You're right Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #17
The ISDS doesn't bypass peoples' will. Gabriel/Romania will not get their mine. Hoyt Jul 2015 #27
Incorrect, my good sir Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #35
Like I saif Gabriel will not get its mine, at best it will get some compensation for the facility it Hoyt Jul 2015 #37
I stand on what I said Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #39
Then, Romania and Greece will rot trading among themselves. Our jobs would plummet too Hoyt Jul 2015 #40
If that's a reality, perhaps we need a new paradigm of producing goods and services Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #41
Well, are we supposed to depend on you to raise the capital to build roads, houses, rapid rail, etc. Hoyt Jul 2015 #47
Good grief, Hoyt, you're more of a pessimist than I am Jack Rabbit Jul 2015 #50
Sorry, I thought you were one of those that thought all business people are crooked. Hoyt Jul 2015 #55
K & R ybbor Jul 2015 #15
From Bloomberg ... Babel_17 Jul 2015 #16
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #18
K&R Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #19
Let us destroy your towns and nature and poison you, OR we'll sue your pants off. GOT IT. 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #20
Well you know that our congress handed it over to our president so he could continue in jwirr Jul 2015 #23
At some point back there, several weeks ago 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #24
Fascism writ into the laws of the world. JEB Jul 2015 #21
I'm getting tired of corporations legislating their way d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #25
BOD november3rd Jul 2015 #28
I'm sure that would be called "terrorism" n2doc Jul 2015 #29
K&R CharlotteVale Jul 2015 #38
K&R emsimon33 Jul 2015 #42
Romania is just the ttip of the iceberg. Flying Squirrel Jul 2015 #43
"Free Tade" enslaves the rest of us. Armstead Jul 2015 #45
Indeed, Armstead, I'll stand with Romania. n/t saidsimplesimon Jul 2015 #46
This is a very important article. loudsue Jul 2015 #48
OK. Guys. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #49
+1000 Cleita Jul 2015 #51
^THIS^ SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #53
yes, right on JDPriestly. LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #57
Sounds like everything worked out pretty well Recursion Jul 2015 #58
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