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gwheezie

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16. I evolved

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 10:09 AM

Jul 2015

I used to bow hunt and gradually over the years I raised beef and goats for meat. I've always had chickens. I had an epiphany one day when one of my nanny goats clearly spoke to me about her grief that she lost all her babies. She was my beloved pet and is buried with one of her sons in a patch of weeds, a fine burial for a good goat. People find their own path. I have no moral judgement about meat eaters. I do think we are very disconnected from our food.

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My family are hunters. I'd like to talk to you about hunting and what I know about hunting [View all] LynneSin Jul 2015 OP

K&R Go Vols Jul 2015 #1

I'm vegan but agree with you gwheezie Jul 2015 #2

With the changes in labeling country of orgin for the meat sold in stores LynneSin Jul 2015 #5

I evolved gwheezie Jul 2015 #16

I hunt precisely because of that connection. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #32

Well said! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #65

Well said, one more step to go - drop the "If"... bananas Jul 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author goonk298 Jul 2015 #142

We are way too separated from our food. Killing is part and parcel to it. We won't.... marble falls Jul 2015 #59

+1 AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #66

Black Fish and that butchering of that young giraffe at that zoo in Begium really added.... marble falls Jul 2015 #68

You and your family have permission to hunt on our land anytime during season you choose. bvar22 Jul 2015 #100

That's just like our place.... paleotn Jul 2015 #121

Your deer are like our moose. Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #143

animals break my back roguevalley Jul 2015 #101

I don't think you understood the OP, but thanks for sharing your righteous outrage. n/t FourScore Jul 2015 #106

I edited it three times. I get roguevalley Jul 2015 #107

You're basically saying all hunting is trophy hunting... FourScore Jul 2015 #109

I didn't say either. what a load that you believe I dont abhore factory farms. bite me about the roguevalley Jul 2015 #111

I re-read your post ande it doesn't say factory farming is okay. My bad. But you are FourScore Jul 2015 #112

I think you and I have come from two different parts of the country LynneSin Jul 2015 #114

I wonder if... 2naSalit Jul 2015 #118

Rogue, you must LOVE Don Young's office decor then. Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #144

And yet the vast majority of the meat that people eat in the US comes from factory farms oberliner Jul 2015 #119

Agreed. I don't get animal lovers who eat the meat of animals that were literally tortured. prayin4rain Jul 2015 #127

Each generation decides what cruelty they will tolerate... tecelote Jul 2015 #133

I'm a vegan and I get the difference. a la izquierda Jul 2015 #3

When I first posted this I was worried I'd get some judgemental folks however.. LynneSin Jul 2015 #8

I wouldn't be surprised to discover a direct correlation between economic affluence and the desire t AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #33

I agree with you. Lifelong Protester Jul 2015 #36

Hunting for food I have no problem with. Hunting for bragging rights or a trophy is bullshit. still_one Jul 2015 #4

I would never hunt, but don't judge hunters KatyMan Jul 2015 #6

I'm like you. I could never kill an animal, not even lower species of animals like shellfish LynneSin Jul 2015 #11

It's definitely a conundrum, isn't it? KatyMan Jul 2015 #14

I have no problems with hunting provided sub.theory Jul 2015 #7

I have a small clarification for #2 LynneSin Jul 2015 #9

Trophy hunting is trophy hunting. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #23

I think apex predators should be off-limits. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #34

They had wild boar up in NC Pennsylvania LynneSin Jul 2015 #38

Yeah, they are super mean. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #67

I would add a slight exception..... Adrahil Jul 2015 #78

As a vegan I have more respect for hunters Codeine Jul 2015 #10

As a meat eater..... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #12

Trophy hunters are scum. Iggo Jul 2015 #13

+1000. nt onehandle Jul 2015 #17

+1,000 !!! CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #44

I agree. Until 2010, I was a copy editor for outdoors magazines RebelOne Jul 2015 #62

...^ that 840high Jul 2015 #99

Trophy hunting is 100% about ego, and the most pathological kinds of ego. phantom power Jul 2015 #15

Another Point of View Worth Considering Herman4747 Jul 2015 #18

+1000! darkangel218 Jul 2015 #19

EXACTLY. slumcamper Jul 2015 #30

I agree with you 100% LynneSin Jul 2015 #40

I haven't been gigging in years. xmas74 Jul 2015 #103

Really? Lurker Deluxe Jul 2015 #53

Nuisance animals? SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2015 #128

This would vary by region. sybylla Jul 2015 #136

Perfectly said. Ineeda Jul 2015 #58

Love these quotes. Duppers Jul 2015 #96

Outstanding post! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #20

Show me this animal that you say "really need to be shot" diverdownjt Jul 2015 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #130

My personal attitude discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #21

We are not hunters, but are very glad to permit our neighbors to hunt on our property. hedgehog Jul 2015 #22

Most farmers welcome hunters on their land LynneSin Jul 2015 #41

why are vegetarians not allowed to judge hunting (just kidding.) La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #24

Technically vegetarians still use product from animals including leather LynneSin Jul 2015 #43

Many vegetarians, myself included, use no nimal products, including leather, HERVEPA Jul 2015 #55

wouldn't that make you vegan? LynneSin Jul 2015 #60

don't want to speak for anyone else here restorefreedom Jul 2015 #80

no because vegans also avoid milk and eggs and honey La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2015 #83

Fish my dad caught, and later fish we ourselves caught were a major source of protein... hunter Jul 2015 #25

#notallhunters quizzle Jul 2015 #26

My uncle was a "hunter" packman Jul 2015 #27

For many years I didn't allow any hunting on my farm csziggy Jul 2015 #28

Killing what you eat is different than killing for sport dorkzilla Jul 2015 #29

not a vegan, but I have absolutely no problem with the people who hunt for food. trophy niyad Jul 2015 #31

This is what I know zipplewrath Jul 2015 #35

I wouldn't hunt myself, but I have no problems with people who eat what they hunt MiniMe Jul 2015 #37

Thanks for posting such a thoughtful piece. flamin lib Jul 2015 #39

Everything I've read so far makes it quite clear that Zimbabwe is rife with corruption. BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2015 #116

Anyone who needs a picture sitting by a killed animal is weird in my book. Nt Logical Jul 2015 #42

The picture I prefer is the family sitting around the table enjoying the dinner from eating it LynneSin Jul 2015 #47

Reminds me of the ISIS sub-humans who stand there in front Surya Gayatri Jul 2015 #131

I agree ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #45

If I could, I'd only eat meat that I have harvested. safeinOhio Jul 2015 #46

The killing of the lion bothers me, but what bothers me even more... Initech Jul 2015 #48

Not to mention he shot the lion with an arrow that did not kill him. redstatebluegirl Jul 2015 #88

I beleive the lion was lured out with bait as well... MatthewStLouis Jul 2015 #138

All Life Lives at the Expense of Other Life TygrBright Jul 2015 #49

Well said chessmister Jul 2015 #113

Trophy hunting TNNurse Jul 2015 #50

Have no problem with hunting Moral Compass Jul 2015 #51

I don't hunt but I agree that hunting for food is moral and natural. Kablooie Jul 2015 #52

Thank you for your thoughtful post cp Jul 2015 #54

Do you have a take on what motivates "trophy hunting?" DirkGently Jul 2015 #56

Another question: Is it culture or testosterone? PassingFair Jul 2015 #97

I don't know too many women who trophy hunt xmas74 Jul 2015 #104

More like privilege. DirkGently Jul 2015 #140

Oh yes, I will judge hunters Joey Liberal Jul 2015 #57

do you eat meat? LynneSin Jul 2015 #61

+1 Go Vols Jul 2015 #72

I think he's talking about hunters who hunt for food vs sport apnu Jul 2015 #64

A couple things.... Adrahil Jul 2015 #79

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #63

+10000000 My family have been hunters. fishers, and farmers on both sides, Zorra Jul 2015 #69

So it seems we DON'T have to be 100% vegan to get judgy about hunting. Orsino Jul 2015 #70

I was worried everyone was going to jump on me for supporting hunting LynneSin Jul 2015 #115

We all kill in order to eat. What's your method? Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #73

Your attempt to make this about agriculture is an epic fail. chalmers Jul 2015 #74

+1 million darkangel218 Jul 2015 #110

Thanks to LynneSin for posting on this polarizing subject. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #75

In some cases (particularly for invasive species such as pigs) they are doing a very good thing. alarimer Jul 2015 #76

well put. we used to hunt birds (quail, dove, duck and even geese) arely staircase Jul 2015 #77

Venison really matters where you hunt the game LynneSin Jul 2015 #85

that makes sense. i actually ate antelope and liked it arely staircase Jul 2015 #91

Nice call about hunting into the Thom Hartmann show this morning. Cleita Jul 2015 #81

My father was the same way with my fishing LynneSin Jul 2015 #86

I think a lot of the reaction about Cecil restorefreedom Jul 2015 #82

I'm not a hunter, but I agree with you. So does Bernie Sanders. fbc Jul 2015 #84

thats pretty much what my pro gun nut brother said... PatrynXX Jul 2015 #87

K&R Scuba Jul 2015 #89

I'll take this one step further passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #90

I don't understand how someone can feed their dog or cat a vegan diet LynneSin Jul 2015 #92

As it is now passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #93

Yup. Everything you said. DU has this discussion at least once a year. PeaceNikki Jul 2015 #94

Most hunters, like most people, are human supremacists. Vattel Jul 2015 #95

As someone who also grew up in rural PA in a family that included some hunters . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #98

I'm originally from Perry County LynneSin Jul 2015 #120

And I gave it up to live in NYC . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #123

I'd love to live in NYC LynneSin Jul 2015 #134

It has been interesting to have a foot in both worlds, so to speak . . . markpkessinger Jul 2015 #148

Unrec melman Jul 2015 #102

+1 darkangel218 Jul 2015 #108

And baiting is usually illegal except under certain controlled circumstances. FourScore Jul 2015 #105

Perhaps the good dentist should be made to snort Jul 2015 #117

I completely agree.... paleotn Jul 2015 #122

I understand what you're saying, but please don't call hunting a sport. There's nothing Flaxbee Jul 2015 #124

CORRECT Skittles Jul 2015 #126

I may have skipped a few responses sorcrow Jul 2015 #125

Real hunting The Jungle 1 Jul 2015 #132

You have described my family to a tee. sybylla Jul 2015 #135

Having married into a family of hunters I fully agree underpants Jul 2015 #137

I will never understand anyone who finds killing to be entertainment Skittles Jul 2015 #141

I read the post to which you replied and the OP and nowhere in either post did I see the word Snobblevitch Jul 2015 #146

I am always amazed at the level of outrage for cruelty to animals. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #139

Hunters in Missouri leftyladyfrommo Jul 2015 #145

I have no problem with hunting for food. roamer65 Jul 2015 #147