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72. Comply? With an illegal order? Since when do citizens have to 'comply' with

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:25 PM

Jul 2015

illegal orders from the police who seem to forget, who they work for?

Citizens have every right to question 'orders' from those they pay to protect them.

This notion seems to have developed over the years, that cops have RIGHTS to issue 'orders' that have zero to do with their job descriptions.

Such as the one who stopped ME. I had every right to ask WHY I was stopped, but this authoritarian individual didn't recognize that right.

Clearly something needs to be done about the way this country is policed. It is a disgrace and a shame that we are the ONLY country in the developed, and even much of the undeveloped world where being stopped by a cop is more frightening and DANGEROUS to citizens, than the offchance of being mugged by a criminal.

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Another outrage in Sandra Bland injustice: She couldn’t find $500 bail [View all] G_j Jul 2015 OP

It is indeed sad that her family and friends seem to COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #1

$5000 bail for not using a turn signal? G_j Jul 2015 #2

You know the expression "It's not the crime, it's the coverup"? Igel Jul 2015 #4

$5,000 for being rude seems excessive to me. magical thyme Jul 2015 #124

I think the charge was "assaulting an officer" davidn3600 Jul 2015 #6

which we know was a lie. nt G_j Jul 2015 #7

On one of the major TV networks, it was explained that she truedelphi Jul 2015 #12

It could also mean that he was trying to handcuff her and she jerked away, mythology Jul 2015 #18

You need to look up what the law defines as "assault" COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #25

your defense of police abuse against African Americans G_j Jul 2015 #27

I'm merely pointing out that, on a whole number of important facts COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author 840high Jul 2015 #115

Thanks for the right wing perspective. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #29

I wasn't aware that explaining what the Law says COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #31

defending racist police actions? G_j Jul 2015 #33

You know, there's a saying in law that, when the facts COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #34

Oh poppycock tkmorris Jul 2015 #46

Assuming for the sake of argument COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #53

Thank you for doing battle with such an truedelphi Aug 2015 #153

But perhaps more importantly, right now there is a strong belief that when the truedelphi Aug 2015 #152

Hard to say. Juries by and large tend to accord COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #154

Juries by and large tend to not be represenatative of any community. truedelphi Aug 2015 #155

Absolutely not true. Economic hardship is a very difficult COLGATE4 Aug 2015 #156

Sadly, the actual law does provide for police to arrest you for almost anything. AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #56

Of course it's not. Except on DU. 840high Jul 2015 #116

Yep. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #117

She couldn't have resisted unless he was arresting her first, so why was he arresting her? n/t Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #51

As I understand the charges, she was charged with 1) assault and 2) resisting arrest. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #55

Tecnically, but we all know the real reason was she dared to be black while driving AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #58

Which is why he was trying to give her a WARNING. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #61

He never told her it was just a warning until he had her handcuffed at that point it was too late to Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #67

So? COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #69

So? What difference would it have made? COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #71

At that point it didn't make any difference he was already arresting her, but a previous driver in a Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #73

Never happen if she wasnt black and we all know it. That is why she is dead, wrong color AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #74

He wouldn't have given her a warning if she wasn't black? COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #75

If she was white he would have hardly noticed the car existed, let alone pulled her over. AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #79

And your evidence that this is the case is...? COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #88

Dear lord give me strength AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #89

If you ever find yourself on the wrong side of the law, COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #91

Sure wouldn't hire you brush Jul 2015 #109

Nope. I don't do criminal defense any more. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #113

Again he only stated it was a warning after he already had her in handcuffs, Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #82

He asked her, how she was doing and Bland said she was irritated, that set the officer off, Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #66

if the assault charge was for swinging her elbows after the cuffs were on questionseverything Jul 2015 #76

No. He was arresting her for not complying with his order COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #143

She was charged with assault, which is a CROCK, because he told her he was pnwmom Jul 2015 #139

No, but failure to comply with a lawful order is. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #147

He only told her to exit the car when she refused to put out her cigarette. pnwmom Jul 2015 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #150

On the video we heard her specifically say "Don't touch me." She was probably moving her arm jwirr Jul 2015 #37

As a woman who lived in the Democratically-run city of Chicago and truedelphi Jul 2015 #52

Exactly. I posted elsewhere about the whole police department being fired for rape when I was a kid. jwirr Jul 2015 #62

my first experience with cops involved sexual deviance Quayblue Jul 2015 #140

For 1) assaulting the officer and 2) resisting arrest. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #17

Which we know is all manufactured lies. G_j Jul 2015 #20

And you know that if any one of us white folk had been the one in that car neither of those jwirr Jul 2015 #39

You mean he would have given us a warning? COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #59

Or a ticket. He also would have been polite. jwirr Jul 2015 #63

My point was that he was in fact in the process of COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #65

What happenened to the issue of the cop daredtowork Jul 2015 #120

The cop seems to have been on traffic patrol. As such there's COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #128

He would not have even seen you, you would have not mattered to him. He saw an unknown AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #60

The racist white cop had her criminally charged with resisting the illegal arrest and assault on a racist cop. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #104

You then believe that a $5000 bail is an appropriate measure LanternWaste Jul 2015 #5

The actual amount was ony $500. moonandsixpence. Jul 2015 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author tkmorris Jul 2015 #47

Bail was $5,000 for which she could pay a Bail Bondsperson a non-refundable $500. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #105

Okay. Sounds good to me. moonandsixpence. Jul 2015 #110

Bail was set on the 11th, she died the morning of the 13th. PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #111

Um...Sorry but I have different feelings on all that. moonandsixpence. Jul 2015 #112

The actual amount of the bail was $5000. pnwmom Jul 2015 #138

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #142

umm...what is this? Catherine Vincent Jul 2015 #144

She was charged with assault and resisting arrest. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #15

manufactured lies G_j Jul 2015 #21

That's your opinion. And you know what they say COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #23

if you saw the video and think that's an opinion G_j Jul 2015 #24

I agree she should not have been arrested in the first place jberryhill Jul 2015 #54

Bullshit. For many Americans quickly coming up with $500 cash is near impossible BillZBubb Jul 2015 #32

Coming up with $500 for the bail bond is onerous for a great many Americans. Gormy Cuss Jul 2015 #36

Speaks someone with money. Most of the people I know could not come up with $500 without jwirr Jul 2015 #40

That's true. It's harder being arrested if you're poor. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #57

She was actually charged with "assaulting a public servant", a 3rd degree felony. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2015 #103

Why on earth was she not just issued a ticket for a minor traffic infraction? sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #48

You're forgetting that he was in the process of COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #49

He didn't 'instruct' her to put out her cigarette, he asked her to. Demit Jul 2015 #64

If you will take the time to look at earlier posts and threads COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #68

Yes, I know the ordering out of the car was declared legal by the SC. Demit Jul 2015 #83

Putting out a cigarette isn't specifically mentioned COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #90

Cop appears to have his clipboard ready for her signature. oasis Jul 2015 #121

A good point. We don't know what his thought processes COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #127

An "inquiry panel" of half-wits could "decipher" what was going on oasis Jul 2015 #129

I assume you believe that he has the right to have COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #130

I'd love to hear "his side of the story". He won't remind anyone oasis Jul 2015 #131

I'm not sure I get the analogy - Jessup, as you will recall COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #132

Unlike the upright Jessup, the cop scum oasis Jul 2015 #133

Do you really see Jessup as "upright"??????? COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #134

"You want me on that wall, you need me oasis Jul 2015 #135

Jessup orders the hazing and then the coverup of the killing COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #136

The injured ego of a rogue cop is the oasis Jul 2015 #137

Except Jessup is just Hollywood fiction. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #146

Brilliant. I'll close with an important FACT oasis Jul 2015 #149

and fade to close with stirring music in the background... COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #151

You're desperately trying to split hairs that, in real life COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #92

Yes. A request from a police officer is optional. JimDandy Jul 2015 #96

I hope you never try this theory out if you're stopped. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #97

We must do what is right, the police and public alike. JimDandy Jul 2015 #100

Yep. Sounds about right. Do let me know COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #102

You're no longer worthy of any further replies on this matter. JimDandy Jul 2015 #108

Ahh yes...someone who reems others about 'facts' JimDandy Jul 2015 #84

OK. Start with Pennsylvania v. Mimms USSCt. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #87

No. We start with the facts in this case. JimDandy Jul 2015 #94

"Facts" for you being defined as "how you wish things should be" COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #98

You are not worthy of my time. Or anyone elses' JimDandy Jul 2015 #99

Not only cognitively dissonant but grandiose as well. Wow. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #101

Facts are facts. Talk about cognitive dissonance. JimDandy Jul 2015 #106

Anyone denying what you say, which is the clear truth and the facts, is not worth arguing with. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #107

Comply? With an illegal order? Since when do citizens have to 'comply' with sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #72

The Supreme Court doesn't agree with you. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #78

You are missing the whole point. But I assume you know that. nt Logical Jul 2015 #77

Not very logical. But I assume you know that. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #80

I love the ass kicking you are taking though. Funny. nt Logical Jul 2015 #81

Killer argument. COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #93

Her sister said she would pay the bail - 840high Jul 2015 #114

Seems that Sister may have more than a little COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #118

That's the silliest fucking thing I've heard all week. tkmorris Jul 2015 #141

She was worried she wouldn't get out in time to start sufrommich Jul 2015 #3

She had to come up with 10% of that. moonandsixpence. Jul 2015 #8

there was no grounds for her arrest to begin with G_j Jul 2015 #10

I don't know about bondsmen. moonandsixpence. Jul 2015 #14

A bondsman will take a wire transfer, credit card or Western Union Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #70

Thank you! For the love of God moonandsixpence. Jul 2015 #95

Even if they insist on western union Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #122

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #125

No. The bondsman only pays if she doesn't show up. nt COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #26

But the bondsman charges 10%, $500, to post the bail brush Jul 2015 #41

She came from Naperville IL - median income is well north of $100k/household riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #11

Thank you. moonandsixpence. Jul 2015 #13

so what? G_j Jul 2015 #16

Trying to establish facts is not putting blame Democat Jul 2015 #22

Facts, schmacts. So long as we have our COLGATE4 Jul 2015 #28

Naperville and greater DuPage has tons of Section 8 housing Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #42

Naperville currently has 9 apartments in a city with a population of 144,000 riderinthestorm Jul 2015 #44

Section 8 encompasses more than just apartment rentals Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #45

I don't understand either. 840high Jul 2015 #119

This is an area that activists could work on Horse with no Name Jul 2015 #19

This is exactly where the issue of money makes the difference in what we call justice. And this is jwirr Jul 2015 #35

A bondsman won't just take $500 from you and put up the $5000 bail Recursion Jul 2015 #38

Interesting, here they would do it over the phone Lee-Lee Jul 2015 #123

She wouldn't have been a fight risk. A new job awaited her. oasis Jul 2015 #126

Sad case Hello Dragon Jul 2015 #43

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #50

She could have felt like she had been abandoned udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #85

disjusting dembotoz Jul 2015 #86

People get stuck in the system. I can't imagine how awful it must have been for Sandra Sunlei Jul 2015 #145