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Bluenorthwest

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75. WillyT, you spent the Spring on DU preaching your 'civil rights don't really matter' sermons.

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:05 PM

Jul 2015

Black Lives Matter was already a movement. You were in fact speaking to counter their message, and that of LGBT activists like myself. Many of us have argued these points with you. It seems odd that you posture here as caring about petty old human rights when your recent work is more along these lines:

WillyT in March:
"IT IS THE MONEY... IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE MONEY...It has rarely been about anyone's civil rights."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026430750

The CAPS thing, it's like shouting at us that you think our rights don't matter. That was your whole agenda here for months, the very opposite of the agenda of Black Lives Matter.

How did your message that civil rights don't matter serve the women in your OP, WillyT? How do you see it?

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Why Aren�t We As Universally Outraged Over Sandra Bland�s Death As We Are Over Cecil The lion? [View all] WillyT Jul 2015 OP

Why do we care more about Cops killing pets, Downwinder Jul 2015 #1

what the hell? how do you know we aren't? I hate these posts. roguevalley Jul 2015 #89

I think Downwinder may awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #94

Yes! +1,000 - LiberalElite Jul 2015 #97

You rang? whathehell Jul 2015 #143

Because in America white people fear black people and this gives the white people AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #2

But if you are right, and in America, white people fear black people, why did the majority JDPriestly Jul 2015 #51

The news is geared for the awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #95

Very true. I'm white and vocal (not particularly powerful), but I too feel left out from the JDPriestly Jul 2015 #126

There is a predominating cultural bias against African Americans in the US, ronnie624 Jul 2015 #112

You are right. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #127

"Why did the majority of Americans including many, many white people, Stellar Jul 2015 #116

"a large portion of young whites"? whathehell Jul 2015 #134

Does it say anything about us old people in that link I posted. Stellar Jul 2015 #139

Actually, it just says "young people" whathehell Jul 2015 #142

it's tough to have a real conversation lovelydestruction Jul 2015 #118

Well said! maddiemom Jul 2015 #124

So voting for Obama automatically gives one a "pass"? YoungDemCA Jul 2015 #133

Do you think the 60% of white voters who voted for Romney voted for economic reasons, JDPriestly Jul 2015 #149

it could also be... DFL_Wellstone_dems Jul 2015 #111

^^^ This Jake Stern Jul 2015 #137

Good post. ronnie624 Jul 2015 #154

I can only speak for myself tularetom Jul 2015 #3

I agree with you and you said it better than I could. Vinca Jul 2015 #17

I agree too. And it really annoys me when people are taking on an issue and someone chimes in with Happyhippychick Jul 2015 #20

+1 n/t Triana Jul 2015 #21

Exactly. And frankly, both killings exist on the same continuum, as part of the same general... villager Jul 2015 #26

A continuum, yes... hunter Jul 2015 #56

Also good points. Plus, it's harder to confront the police directly villager Jul 2015 #60

I know. cwydro Jul 2015 #30

YES! maddiemom Jul 2015 #125

I sort of agree; in that it's not really a question for DU el_bryanto Jul 2015 #41

I love animals, but I'm certainly more outraged over whathehell Jul 2015 #45

I agree MissDeeds Jul 2015 #47

+1 rock Jul 2015 #49

I agree. Both are outrageous. n/t SalviaBlue Jul 2015 #50

The writer of the Rawstory article awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #96

Weird How That's Misunderstood... WillyT Jul 2015 #99

... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2015 #103

I agree. Chemisse Jul 2015 #104

+1 840high Jul 2015 #140

because all evidence is looking at suicide right now snooper2 Jul 2015 #4

may be a jump to conclusion, but not a 'jump the shark' HFRN Jul 2015 #107

You're technically correct. maddiemom Jul 2015 #128

Because there are many more racists than lion-haters? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #5

Well...yeah. How many people in the world give a lot of thought to their opinion maddiemom Jul 2015 #131

Well said and presented. Not only that, but look at all the demands to Do Something and so it is being done. Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #6

I am pretty damned out raged by it. hollysmom Jul 2015 #7

Are you implying the cops murdered all of them? Kurska Jul 2015 #8

the rate of black females commuting suicide psychmommy Jul 2015 #153

Missing the point did you even read my post? Kurska Jul 2015 #156

Ummm---I think we are! maxrandb Jul 2015 #9

Not paying attention? Nt Logical Jul 2015 #10

I'd say we are, actually. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #11

Cecil wasn't killed by police. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #12

Can't we do both? Hun Joro Jul 2015 #13

How are you measuring the relative outrage between the events? Just curious. Demit Jul 2015 #14

I don't agree with the premise of the article DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #15

That's always been the case, but... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #16

I am... This is a false dichotomy and helps with neither case, to pit one issue over the other. hlthe2b Jul 2015 #18

Thank you kwolf68 Jul 2015 #22

^^ this ^^ Myrina Jul 2015 #33

Google results: "Cecil the lion"---- 2.99m results LittleBlue Jul 2015 #19

We're "unified in outrage at the death of... Cecil the lion" ? Seems like a bit of a leap. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2015 #23

while individually many are outraged by both i do think society as a whole JI7 Jul 2015 #24

I am outraged about both. LWolf Jul 2015 #25

A visit to DU's conservative republican counterparts would answer your question. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #27

I disagree with the OP's premise or those who same people are more ladjf Jul 2015 #28

One of our County Board of supervisors said, when asked why we are Cleita Jul 2015 #29

I am tired of this argument kwolf68 Jul 2015 #34

I don't see why we can't do both. Cleita Jul 2015 #37

Tired, too. I spend time volunteering for environmental/wildlife projects over Nay Jul 2015 #62

because the human lives take priority? There's no "both", my dog is part of the family uponit7771 Jul 2015 #113

DU is. I don't know who the "we" in the article refers to. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #31

Exactly still_one Jul 2015 #76

Yes. I know I am outraged by both. nt. MH1 Jul 2015 #79

Some - many - of us are. Myrina Jul 2015 #32

I am sad about the lion being hunted while on a preserve, still outraged about Sandra Bland bermudat Jul 2015 #35

I wish for justice for the lion and Ms Bland GusBob Jul 2015 #36

What's this "we" shit? Blue_Tires Jul 2015 #38

Because it's easier. DirkGently Jul 2015 #39

Some of us are. We can be horrified by the entire culture of violence sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #40

What a ridiculous thing to say. Most of us can be concerned over more than one thing at a time. n/t BeeBee Jul 2015 #42

I've noticed this in my fb news feed. ZombieHorde Jul 2015 #43

Americans, on average, view animals as "innocent" Maedhros Jul 2015 #44

I don't think anything good comes from rating tragic events against each other. n/t Gore1FL Jul 2015 #46

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #48

People Tend to Care More About Animals Than Other People erpowers Jul 2015 #52

And yet Vick's career is not over, so your reasoning is deeply flawed. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #77

You Are Completely Wrong erpowers Jul 2015 #91

wrong. people who care about animals restorefreedom Jul 2015 #115

I agree - we should be packman Jul 2015 #53

Oh, please! Do you have to go .....there?? Peregrine Took Jul 2015 #54

We have been outraged over the Sandra Bland death for over a week or longer. abakan Jul 2015 #55

Good question azurnoir Jul 2015 #57

I'm out outraged for both.... Lobo27 Jul 2015 #58

Evidence this is the case? Helen Borg Jul 2015 #59

Because animals in general are thought of as being more innocent and inferior. n/t vkkv Jul 2015 #61

Sandra Bland, Kindra Chapman, Raynette Turner, Ralkina Jones, Sarah Lee Circle Bear... Dont call me Shirley Jul 2015 #63

Animals are considered "innocent" while black people are guilty of being black. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #64

Evidence (for now) appears to be a suicide taught_me_patience Jul 2015 #65

Most people think Cecil was white. nt kelliekat44 Jul 2015 #66

He *was* blonde wheniwasincongress Jul 2015 #69

I Saw What You Did There... WillyT Jul 2015 #100

It's easier to digest. Many people don't want to chew on something harder. wheniwasincongress Jul 2015 #67

+ 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #102

We are. okasha Jul 2015 #68

Reading... Is Fundamental... WillyT Jul 2015 #92

We are. roody Jul 2015 #70

I love you WillyT... malokvale77 Jul 2015 #71

IF this premise is true, here's WHY: We are inured to humans killing other humans. Cecil was close WinkyDink Jul 2015 #72

False dichotomy. bluedigger Jul 2015 #73

I hate so say it n2doc Jul 2015 #74

Seriously ??? - YOU !!! - You Know This Is An Article From RawStory, Right ??? - I DIDN'T WRITE IT ! WillyT Jul 2015 #80

Sorry. I didn't get that n2doc Jul 2015 #85

And I Agree With Everything You Just Said... WillyT Jul 2015 #86

WillyT, you spent the Spring on DU preaching your 'civil rights don't really matter' sermons. Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #75

Well Bluenorthwest... If Anybody Know About Preaching, It's You... THIS... Speaks For Me... WillyT Jul 2015 #88

But I'm not a fiscal conservative WillyT I'm a democratic socialist who lives like one. So what the Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #141

I hate this kind of OP. pecwae Jul 2015 #78

I have enough compassion to be outraged by both and more. Jamastiene Jul 2015 #81

I'm ouraged and saddened Texasgal Jul 2015 #82

We were. ozone_man Jul 2015 #83

America hates black people. bravenak Jul 2015 #84

There's A Whole Lot Of Raw Nerves Exposed Here... WillyT Jul 2015 #90

Because its possible to be outraged over more than one thing at a time Joe the Revelator Jul 2015 #87

We and the media have been talking about Sandra Bland for two weeks davidn3600 Jul 2015 #93

Agree totally WT ! It all makes me utterly sick. Did you see the video of the Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #98

Good post Laura. nm rhett o rick Jul 2015 #101

she may have been woman, but we didnt hear her roar nt HFRN Jul 2015 #105

+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Jul 2015 #106

The Knee-Jerk Reaction Is Telling... WillyT Jul 2015 #108

I can be both catrose Jul 2015 #109

Well, for one, the lion didn't commit suicide. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #110

Maybe it's because people don't see any racism in animals and could care less about humans. Stellar Jul 2015 #114

to be fair lovelydestruction Jul 2015 #117

Or 100,000 times more outraged by the invasion/occupation of Iraq Taitertots Jul 2015 #119

And Now... From HuffPo... WillyT Jul 2015 #120

Because there is so much human on human killing in this country leftyladyfrommo Jul 2015 #121

Maybe because The Polack MSgt Jul 2015 #122

Apples and oranges. maddiemom Jul 2015 #123

Say their names matt819 Jul 2015 #129

Sadly, I think there is a very simple answer GitRDun Jul 2015 #130

Because the lion could not have prevented what happened to him Reter Jul 2015 #132

Ahem... gcomeau Jul 2015 #136

No it isn't Reter Jul 2015 #144

Yes it is. gcomeau Jul 2015 #145

It's also not a requirement to dress nice on a job interview Reter Jul 2015 #147

Now you're losing the narrative. gcomeau Jul 2015 #148

The article may be confusing "caring more" with "getting more attention". gcomeau Jul 2015 #135

there is no benifet from this kind of question LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #138

Premeditation One_Life_To_Give Jul 2015 #146

Humans tend to place very little value on ANY life in general. roamer65 Jul 2015 #150

My heart breaks a little for all these types of Death. I understand though that I can't expect... BlueJazz Jul 2015 #151

we are outraged over both samsingh Jul 2015 #152

Good point. I've noticed this before. People care more about animals than other people. McCamy Taylor Jul 2015 #155