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bvar22

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101. No horse switch. That has always been my contention.

Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:49 PM

Jul 2015

You are grasping at straws,
and you are the one who ran to hypothetical.

Any fool can see that production of HEAT reflected back by Green House Gasses WILL raise temps on Planet earth.
THAT is what I have been arguing this entire thread,
YOU have been denying it with obfuscation like coal plants don't burn as hot as Nuke Plants among other BS.

The odd thing is that we agree.
Lets get some temp probes in the water, and a non-corporate research staff to find out WHAT is causing the rise in heat in the Colombia River.
I would hate to see the Colombia Gorge turn into a pollute cess pool of dead fish and water too hot to swim.
One of my favorite places on Earth.

It is LOGICAL to look at the NUKE, other Power Plants, and Industry to determine IF they are contributing to the rise in temps.
Lets get that done....until then , all we have is speculation and denial.

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Hot water kills half of Columbia River sockeye salmon [View all] n2doc Jul 2015 OP

Son of a.... Xolodno Jul 2015 #1

It is a large-scale extinction event unfolding. nt silvershadow Jul 2015 #15

Are thee any Nuke Power Plants on the Colombia River? bvar22 Jul 2015 #2

from the article...Experts said drought and record heat this summer are behind the high water temper spanone Jul 2015 #3

Yes, I read the article, bvar22 Jul 2015 #6

No they don't raise them a bunch dbackjon Jul 2015 #13

...and "maybe" it is a combination. bvar22 Jul 2015 #19

Heat from the Columbia Generating Station is dissipated into the air Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #26

Nothing EVER "dissipates". bvar22 Jul 2015 #57

But the point is, CGS uses the atmosphere as its ultimate heat sink, not the river. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #58

I disagree. bvar22 Jul 2015 #61

Watt for watt, they do not. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #67

So you admit that NUke Plants run hotter. bvar22 Jul 2015 #69

No, watt for watt they are similar. You don't obviate a watt for watt replacement by AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #76

And heat is never radiated into space Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #64

Some is radiated into space. bvar22 Jul 2015 #73

Human thermal output doesn't add shit to the heat budget of the earth. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #77

Quote: bvar22 Jul 2015 #84

That is some cheap shit right there. Can't refute the point so you decide I must AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #85

Phew. Thanks. bvar22 Jul 2015 #91

I never said human activity doesn't affect climate change. In fact, I specified the opposite. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #96

Ever smoke a bowl then put your hand around it to cool it down? snooper2 Jul 2015 #90

+1 An example of someone with good intentions being confused by facts. hueymahl Jul 2015 #86

So nothing EVER "dissipates" unless it does dissipate, right? Brother Buzz Jul 2015 #80

I was going to let that go, but since the snark, I decided to correct you. bvar22 Jul 2015 #93

Oh, so suddenly you're worried about reflectivity of the atmosphere rather than human thermal activi AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #97

No horse switch. That has always been my contention. bvar22 Jul 2015 #101

Now you're just completely lost. Just stop. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #102

Watt for watt is a dodge. bvar22 Jul 2015 #104

No, they don't burn hotter. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #105

Again, you are trying to rig the results with your "watt for watt' BS. bvar22 Jul 2015 #110

Not for plants with the same wattage output. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #112

Since you have constructed an iron block around your head, bvar22 Jul 2015 #114

Now you're confused about concentration. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #116

That is circular reasoning. bvar22 Jul 2015 #131

You're just spewing nonsense. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #132

Is it harder to put out a fire in a Coal Fired Plant, bvar22 Jul 2015 #139

I just explained that to you. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #141

Learn to expect FAILURE in Nuke Plants. bvar22 Jul 2015 #144

Which of course has nothing to do with the dead fish in the op or the river temp. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #145

Hermiston natural gas power plant downriver from the Columbia generating station AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #107

Stop with the Bull Shit? bvar22 Jul 2015 #115

Post 111, made 40 minutes before you posted this. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #117

Calling for Scientific Research to examine the Colombia River and the rise in heat... bvar22 Jul 2015 #129

The reactor, and the larger number/watts of gas fired generators on the Columbia are monitored by AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #130

You have some serious patience. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2015 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author goonk298 Jul 2015 #148

if you want to take the focus off global warming, you're doing a great job CreekDog Jul 2015 #126

BS. bvar22 Jul 2015 #140

LOL - and all the cigarettes people smoke cause the temperature to rise in the summer dbackjon Jul 2015 #40

of course nuke plants increase the water temp questionseverything Jul 2015 #46

Have you heard of Spurious Correlations? LanternWaste Jul 2015 #52

Yes, I've heard of "spurious correlations". bvar22 Jul 2015 #65

Ah yes, requesting someone prove a negative hueymahl Jul 2015 #87

Pure BS. bvar22 Jul 2015 #106

Does anyone see you asking someone to prove a negative? Ahh, yes hueymahl Jul 2015 #123

Yes. bvar22 Jul 2015 #134

Evaporative cooling and radiative cooling are entirely different components of the atmospheric heat AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #135

Did NOT you say that these plants use our atmosphere as a "heat sink". bvar22 Jul 2015 #155

By way of evaporation. Yes. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #156

Ok, I'm going to try one more time hueymahl Jul 2015 #149

I would believe you, bvar22 Jul 2015 #143

Total human energy output was covered already. Less than 0.03% AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #146

Is the industry fucking around pumping hot water uphill to kill the fish? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #133

Not a Double Negative. bvar22 Aug 2015 #169

Nuclear power plants can and must be a contributor to the rise in temp. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #88

Thanks for your reasonable answer. bvar22 Jul 2015 #92

Congratulations, you steered a conversation about global warming, a well-founded explanation CreekDog Jul 2015 #127

All I did was ask a question. bvar22 Jul 2015 #136

Because you don't know what is there, or why. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #137

This entire thread STARTED with the killing of Salmon on the Colombia River, bvar22 Jul 2015 #153

The rivers are over-temp upriver of any power plant of any type. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #157

The amount of heat any power generating station is allowed to put into the river is carefully regula AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #60

So it IS possible for the heat discharge from a Nuke Plant to destroy a river's ecology. bvar22 Jul 2015 #62

Not in the United States, no. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #68

Oh Yes! bvar22 Jul 2015 #70

In this case the limits and enforcement are public record. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #75

I've live in the USA for over 60 years, bvar22 Jul 2015 #78

Anyone can stick a temp probe in those rivers and verify. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #79

And that is ALL iI have done... bvar22 Jul 2015 #94

What's your carbon neutral heat? Wood? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #98

Are you burning coal, nuke or petroleum products for heat? bvar22 Jul 2015 #99

Unrelated issue. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #100

Again, your imagination replaces reality. bvar22 Jul 2015 #108

My home is 100% powered by hydroelectric through a local co-op. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #111

Another falsehood. bvar22 Jul 2015 #120

You started lying and misrepresenting in post 69 so don't play the wounded animal. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #122

And while we're on the subject of lies, don't forget post 84. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #124

Wrong again. bvar22 Aug 2015 #158

Already addresss this. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #159

Moving goalposts again. bvar22 Aug 2015 #160

Adds heat that could remain out of he heat engine of the atmosphere for a long time. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #161

Wood Rot and decomposition releases heat and carbon too. bvar22 Aug 2015 #168

Can you look up what "long time" means? AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #170

You have no idea what the heat was like here passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #22

I'm from Oregon and love the Columbia River Gorge davidpdx Jul 2015 #36

I call it the eighth wonder of the world passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #56

It's been hotter in Portland PasadenaTrudy Jul 2015 #42

Are you ready for some more heat? I know I'm not. neverforget Jul 2015 #82

Shit :( n/t PasadenaTrudy Jul 2015 #89

Yes, we are back in hot mode again passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #118

That's my life here in SoCal PasadenaTrudy Jul 2015 #121

I know the heat has been bad there. bvar22 Aug 2015 #162

Actually, what I've read about Hood passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #163

Where ya gonna go when the Volcano blows? bvar22 Aug 2015 #166

You got it passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #167

This is the new normal. AtheistCrusader Aug 2015 #171

Global warming, why is this so complicated for you? CreekDog Jul 2015 #125

Global Warming IS complicated, many, many components, many, many sources, many, many LIES. bvar22 Jul 2015 #142

An issue already well understood and a case example of AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #147

NO. Not well understood. bvar22 Jul 2015 #150

You didn't even know if there was a reactor(s) on the Columbia so... AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #21

A quick search shows at least 2 DirtyHippyBastard Jul 2015 #14

The Trojan plant was closed about twenty years ago. FuzzyRabbit Jul 2015 #16

yep and oops. nt DirtyHippyBastard Jul 2015 #17

You know Hanford's leaky barrels of nuclear waste are just up stream where the Columbia bends... Tikki Jul 2015 #44

Nuclear waste is a problem, but not one that contriubtes to the river temperature. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #165

There used to be one, the Trojan Plant (i think), but it's been long shut down. I don't know of any rhett o rick Jul 2015 #54

Yeah, Hanford has been leaking into the Columbia River for ages. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #128

This is not only a disaster DFW Jul 2015 #4

I'm glad to see- ruffburr Jul 2015 #7

You'd THINK it would be obvious DFW Jul 2015 #9

The situation is dire passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #24

And here in Pasadena PasadenaTrudy Jul 2015 #43

Yes, you're right. Eventually it will be us. But is sure ruined my night and will through the whole trillion Jul 2015 #33

these salmon are the canaries in the coal mine restorefreedom Jul 2015 #71

Victims of global warming, as will be all of the animals and fish that eat them in geek tragedy Jul 2015 #5

This has been the hottest year I've ever experienced in the PNW Matariki Jul 2015 #8

I share your discomfort passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #25

Poor cats davidpdx Jul 2015 #37

The coming disaster Thespian2 Jul 2015 #10

Are we past saving the planet yet? Omaha Steve Jul 2015 #11

The planet... deathrind Jul 2015 #55

WA Fishing closures and restrictions 7/18 KT2000 Jul 2015 #12

Just 5 to 6 degrees......wow. eom a kennedy Jul 2015 #18

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2015 #20

Another related loss...the Sturgeon... countryjake Jul 2015 #23

we have sturgeon in the sacramento river shanti Jul 2015 #66

I don't know, shanti, maybe with the ongoing drought you've got down there... countryjake Jul 2015 #103

i don't know anything about sturgeon shanti Jul 2015 #109

I Saw The Dams Spilling Water Saturday Yallow Jul 2015 #27

I live just down the Columbia River valley from the Methow, cilla4progress Jul 2015 #81

T_T abelenkpe Jul 2015 #28

This site really needs up vote buttons. trillion Jul 2015 #34

Here trillion Jul 2015 #35

I live on the bank of the Willamette River grasswire Jul 2015 #29

K & R Duppers Jul 2015 #30

kick Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #31

not a good sign at all.Yet Republicans refuse to listen to reason. riversedge Jul 2015 #32

In 2008, The Democrats held the White House, bvar22 Jul 2015 #63

opened up the Seattle Times to this. artislife Jul 2015 #38

The canary in the coal mine packman Jul 2015 #39

This is just the beginning.... deathrind Jul 2015 #41

opposite problem in Alaska J_J_ Jul 2015 #45

50 cents a pound? My distributor charges my co-op $8/pound killbotfactory Jul 2015 #154

Yikes. Well, best keep trying to Wall St our way out of this mess. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #47

all pacific salmon die when they spawn Hamlette Jul 2015 #48

True, except that these Salmon were on their way "to spawn." ffr Jul 2015 #53

Bit of advice for those reading this thread: get used to it. hatrack Jul 2015 #49

As long as big oil, gas, and coal are in charge d_legendary1 Jul 2015 #50

Big Oil, Gas, Coal, Fracking, and NUKE Plants. bvar22 Jul 2015 #113

Focus more on nighttime lows than daytime highs ffr Jul 2015 #51

That is why the last heat spell was so unbearable here passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #119

How awful! DawgHouse Jul 2015 #59

Sockeye is the expensive salmon, you know the wild caught salmon in high end restaurants. YOHABLO Jul 2015 #72

Meanwhile in Michigan. roamer65 Jul 2015 #74

kick and rec love_katz Jul 2015 #83

They fail to mention that dams have a significant impact on water temperature Zorra Jul 2015 #95

This is becuase we had a very small or no snow pack. Sam_Fields Jul 2015 #152

It's been hot as fuck in the Pacific NW Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #164