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Major Nikon

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347. So what do you think happens to the rodents and insects that munch on vegetable crops?

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 10:49 AM

Jul 2015

Typically they are killed by poisons which create a slow, lingering death, or they may agonize in traps that don't kill them instantly. Not to mention the countless other vertebrates chewed up by mechanized farm equipment and other animals that starve to death due to destruction of habitat.

Meanwhile one grass fed cow can provide the protein requirements for one person for 2 years and very few other animals are sacrificed in the production effort.

So who really is the bigger monster? Someone who eats things which result in the slow and very agonizing deaths of countless creatures, or someone who eats a cow which results in 1 animal death delivered near instantaneously.

Does such indignation demonstrated by the OP blind one from reality?

Enjoy your next meal.

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Unless you are a vegan, you are just as much a monster as the lion-killing dentist [View all] oberliner Jul 2015 OP

... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #1

I understand that line of thinking, but I reject the premise. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #2

In what respect? oberliner Jul 2015 #11

I thought you might want more so I edited the above. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #13

Adding a good video since this thread is fairly disappointing snooper2 Jul 2015 #299

This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Jul 2015 #377

animals kill and eat each other all the time. Adrahil Jul 2015 #62

Animals kill babies and rape females oberliner Jul 2015 #70

We also, generally speaking, do not eat other humans. Adrahil Jul 2015 #85

Yet we still do it. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #193

But folks generally don't boast about it on DU oberliner Jul 2015 #232

Animals aren't moral beings, humans are. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #348

Agreed oberliner Jul 2015 #350

Now I feel bad. I'm going to have to throw out my stuffed chicken head collection. postulater Jul 2015 #3

Better for the corpse of Cecil to have been processed into food? oberliner Jul 2015 #6

This thread prompted me to do ribs this weekend, want to come over (dry rub) snooper2 Jul 2015 #230

I'm more of a brisket person. brooklynite Jul 2015 #237

So instead of four hours you want seven ...I can do that :) snooper2 Jul 2015 #240

those look amazing! Amishman Jul 2015 #360

charcoal! fucking charcoal! never! In Texas we use real fuel snooper2 Jul 2015 #387

I'll just sit here sharp_stick Jul 2015 #4

Highly intelligent response. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #80

Such an apropos reply to my response sharp_stick Jul 2015 #209

That cartoon is pretty funny oberliner Jul 2015 #257

+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #303

What if I'm a cannibal? hunter Jul 2015 #5

We might be shocked by LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #321

Uh - no leftynyc Jul 2015 #7

If the dentist had eaten the lion, that would have made it better? oberliner Jul 2015 #14

Not if he was then leftynyc Jul 2015 #92

I agree. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #139

In my opinion eating what you hunt is less cruel than eating a burger at a fast food place. mucifer Jul 2015 #221

I can't see eating a lion, but eating a steak is good eating yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #112

Why do you care about the lion's death but not the cow's? oberliner Jul 2015 #251

I was interested in the news of the lion yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #316

The vast majority of people only care about the lion's death skepticscott Jul 2015 #357

Anyone else you want to wag your finger at? lpbk2713 Jul 2015 #8

People are justifiably wagging their fingers at the dentist for what he did to that lion oberliner Jul 2015 #16

Understood. lpbk2713 Jul 2015 #21

"Own food choices"??? He killed the lion for food? Link please! nt Logical Jul 2015 #90

He did not kill the lion for food oberliner Jul 2015 #108

But it isn't about the food. ozone_man Jul 2015 #202

No the thread is about cruelty to animals. The animals most people eat suffer horribly for years. mucifer Jul 2015 #222

Did the lion suffer? I think people are upset because he was KILLED. Chemisse Jul 2015 #260

No it's not. The OP is discussing animal suffering and the animals that are turned into mucifer Jul 2015 #263

point of accuracy Kali Jul 2015 #312

yep pipoman Jul 2015 #338

It can be about cruelty to animals. ozone_man Jul 2015 #373

Obviously - you feel that everybody who doesn't share your view is a monster el_bryanto Jul 2015 #351

He like makes a Outraged at GD post once a day, nothing original about the OP. Rex Jul 2015 #181

What are you talking about? oberliner Jul 2015 #273

Rex... zappaman Jul 2015 #274

I assume you never mow your lawn. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #9

... or lives in a house ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #35

and the ultimate answer is the new Prius Solution... GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #66

That's awesome!! I want one!!! JoePhilly Jul 2015 #75

Oh my gosh, that'll do it! DawgHouse Jul 2015 #191

but what about all the bugs crushed under the floor of his tent? HFRN Jul 2015 #210

Unfortunately everyone contributes to animal cruelty oberliner Jul 2015 #43

Agree Polly Hennessey Jul 2015 #127

sowing and harvesting deafskeptic Jul 2015 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author deafskeptic Jul 2015 #144

bombast Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #10

Pretty much nobody eats lions, really. MineralMan Jul 2015 #12

Some people are calling this dentist a monster oberliner Jul 2015 #22

what's the conservation status of chickens and pigs? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #23

I call the dentist a selfish asshole. MineralMan Jul 2015 #25

You are a lot kinder than I was Warpy Jul 2015 #72

You don't get to decide the tracks. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #84

I get to decide my opinion, though. MineralMan Jul 2015 #111

Yep. uou don't get to decide what track the poster is on, though. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #152

Oh BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #15

that was my reaction too Kali Jul 2015 #313

Tell it to my canine dentition. Gregorian Jul 2015 #17

What a pile. Throd Jul 2015 #18

Might want to talk about the post rather than yourself HERVEPA Jul 2015 #86

Everyone but you knows he was addressing the post. Nt Logical Jul 2015 #94

Oh, really. Thanks, I didn't know. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #107

I know you didn't know. nt Logical Jul 2015 #131

Got Lettuce? snooper2 Jul 2015 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Jul 2015 #375

This is some high grade sophistry geek tragedy Jul 2015 #19

Thank you for your response oberliner Jul 2015 #26

oy, so this is just PETA vegangelism. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #50

Or maybe just compassion. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #88

nope, just vegangelism trying to horn in on concern for endangered species. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #93

Consider extending your compassion for endangered species to other animals as well oberliner Jul 2015 #113

Not about compassion it's about preservation. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #115

Nailed it. n/t zappaman Jul 2015 #114

but come on...you have to admit..that this snooper2 Jul 2015 #227

A lion's head looks good mounted on a wall oberliner Jul 2015 #231

BLAH, cows and steers are overpopulated because of humans..lions not so much snooper2 Jul 2015 #235

Them's good eatin' LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #384

You were supposed to get outraged! He makes a thread a day just to crap on DU. Rex Jul 2015 #182

"If you put gas in your car you're no different than the Koch brothers!!!" nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #183

Pretty much. Rex Jul 2015 #184

What are you talking about? oberliner Jul 2015 #254

Absurd. Marr Jul 2015 #20

Day old male baby chicks are dropped, mutilated, and ground up alive oberliner Jul 2015 #33

I know. Marr Jul 2015 #44

What? Why? smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #201

Chick culling oberliner Jul 2015 #259

Ugh, that bums me out. smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #325

Yeah - I was once shown a video of that process oberliner Jul 2015 #328

i've seen the peta films of that - sickening HFRN Jul 2015 #208

Those films have stuck with me forever oberliner Jul 2015 #258

I suppose I shouldn't have any compassion for Cecil -- he wasn't a vegan either. onenote Jul 2015 #24

I just wanted to encourage folks to reconsider their food choices oberliner Jul 2015 #37

reconsider our food choices? tonight's dinner was going to be cold peanut noodles msanthrope Jul 2015 #57

Then I'm not the only one. eShirl Jul 2015 #323

No need to apologize for an accurate post HERVEPA Jul 2015 #91

a small number of animals are raised and Killed humanely G_j Jul 2015 #27

I'm a pescetarian that doesn't consume dairy. I eat mostly veggie meals with stevenleser Jul 2015 #28

Does that make Cecil a monster too?... SidDithers Jul 2015 #29

Cecil did not have other options oberliner Jul 2015 #40

So what are your options that you seem to think are better? Major Nikon Jul 2015 #59

Personally, I recommend my diet to anyone. I adopted it with the hopes of going vegan eventually stevenleser Jul 2015 #78

You are still murdering countless helpless animals by the OPs definition Major Nikon Jul 2015 #104

I'm sure there are various folks who would think so. I'm comfortable with where I am and where I am stevenleser Jul 2015 #121

Agreed Major Nikon Jul 2015 #157

Humans are biologically programmed to eat meat... SidDithers Jul 2015 #82

The fucking ridiculousness of it is what makes it counterproductive to the stated goal Major Nikon Jul 2015 #110

Men are biologically programmed to impregnate as many females as possible oberliner Jul 2015 #118

Some of us have been vegans for decades we don't need to eat meat. mucifer Jul 2015 #224

what about omnivores? lancer78 Jul 2015 #151

Hey sid ... please remember ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #47

... HFRN Jul 2015 #207

What lions do in the wild would certainly be considered monstrous by human standards oberliner Jul 2015 #244

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #30

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. n/t BeeBee Jul 2015 #31

Why not talk about the OP rather than your own post? HERVEPA Jul 2015 #95

I did that, thanks. n/t BeeBee Jul 2015 #105

This is what passes for wit these days? MattSh Jul 2015 #317

Oh for God's sake. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #32

IKR, I joined a Vegan Facebook page and got kicked off because I insisted some GMO plants KittyWampus Jul 2015 #147

Biologically, we are evolved to be omnivores and eat animals. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #34

Scientifically speaking our teeth cannot bite through WDIM Jul 2015 #54

Humans have evolved to eat cooked meat, as we have been using fire for more than 350,000 years. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #73

Our digestive system also has not evolved to eat WDIM Jul 2015 #120

Yes, that is I said omnvore. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #146

But biologically speaking not large mammals for that we need tools WDIM Jul 2015 #160

Tools do not defy nature. They are anadaptaton we evolved with, and their use Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #188

You can get plenty of protein without eating meat. WDIM Jul 2015 #192

Scienctific evidence absolutely disagrees with your statement. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #196

Your argument continues be bereft of logic and reason and evidence. WDIM Jul 2015 #205

You work from a system of belief not fact. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #206

Defy nature? TransitJohn Jul 2015 #217

Complete nonsense Major Nikon Jul 2015 #97

Biological evolutionary speaking we are not meant to eat large mammals WDIM Jul 2015 #137

Tool use is an adaptation devloped millions of years ago, not a short cut. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #155

Tools are not biological WDIM Jul 2015 #199

Not sure where you are pulling that out of Major Nikon Jul 2015 #174

Where did you take your PhD? TransitJohn Jul 2015 #220

You don't need a PhD for this one laundry_queen Jul 2015 #256

Biologically, men are evolved to impregnate multiple females oberliner Jul 2015 #124

Good point WDIM Jul 2015 #150

If that were true there would be far more women than men Major Nikon Jul 2015 #178

The rate of monogamy among primates is about 6 percent oberliner Jul 2015 #298

You are trying to make an ethical argument whether or not you realize or admit it Major Nikon Jul 2015 #336

As a Pescetarian..Nah... Peacetrain Jul 2015 #36

Yep, fellow pescetarian here who also does not eat dairy or eggs. Love the diet, hope to go all stevenleser Jul 2015 #89

I have been doing this for over 4 years and just love it Peacetrain Jul 2015 #106

Yes, dramatically changed my cholesterol. I wish I had done this a long time ago. stevenleser Jul 2015 #123

Steven that is awesome! Peacetrain Jul 2015 #253

I have never killed anything in my life. abakan Jul 2015 #38

In 1987 there was a spider on your alternator that would tell a different story snooper2 Jul 2015 #272

Nope abakan Jul 2015 #310

If you don't like it, then you can change the behavior oberliner Jul 2015 #290

you assume much. abakan Jul 2015 #309

I agree but monster is a little strong. WDIM Jul 2015 #39

I was sitting here trying to think of what to make for dinner tonight ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #41

Think about the life that turkey had before its carcass reached the grocery store oberliner Jul 2015 #56

For a second there, I thought you said "pheasant". JoePhilly Jul 2015 #60

Proud of your arrogance? HERVEPA Jul 2015 #99

I think you mean my whimsical approach to life. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #149

proud of your self-righteousness? TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #163

Just as bad as Pat Robertson or any other Bible Thumper alphafemale Jul 2015 #175

Arguably worse Major Nikon Jul 2015 #187

so, we should drive turkeys and chickens into extinction? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #96

If the electronic devices you use contain coltan, and chances are they do GusBob Jul 2015 #42

Well, I'm safe on the egg thing. cwydro Jul 2015 #45

And if I prevent my sperm from reaching an egg postatomic Jul 2015 #46

Alert Results irisblue Jul 2015 #48

No reason to hide the OP. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #51

Forget the alert, the poster should have gotten a lifetime ban Reter Jul 2015 #262

A lifetime ban? oberliner Jul 2015 #300

I find a relevant and precise difference LanternWaste Jul 2015 #49

Understood oberliner Jul 2015 #58

And this kind of tact is exactly why no one takes PETA seriously either Godhumor Jul 2015 #52

Plento of people take Peta seriously. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #102

PETA has transformed the way people think about animal testing and wearing fur oberliner Jul 2015 #126

PETA's effectiveness suggests they're worth taking seriously Karmadillo Jul 2015 #130

Cecil was a critically endangered animal and an icon. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #53

The cruel murder of Cecil could provide an opportunity to reflect on one's own food choices oberliner Jul 2015 #61

I don't eat endangered animals. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #83

Are you a vegan/vegetarian? Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2015 #55

Does it not seem incongruous to you? oberliner Jul 2015 #63

Cruelty... sibelian Jul 2015 #330

I think that both factory farms and trophy hunting are needless oberliner Jul 2015 #333

I have two slightly contradictory reactions to that sibelian Jul 2015 #335

These are all reasonable points oberliner Jul 2015 #363

Wah! sibelian Jul 2015 #372

My eggs aren't endangered BainsBane Jul 2015 #64

Bullshit. Warpy Jul 2015 #65

How can you tell if someone is a vegan? Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #67

How can you tell if someone is a meat eater? mucifer Jul 2015 #225

Not until they are called a "monster" for eating a ham sandwich.... pipoman Jul 2015 #340

Not really true Major Nikon Jul 2015 #346

Meat eaters always go on and on and on about eating meat. mucifer Jul 2015 #374

BULL SHIT chalmers Jul 2015 #68

You are entitled to your opinion Matariki Jul 2015 #69

I am not a Munster. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #71

Not really, no Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #74

Day old male baby chicks are dropped, mutilated, and ground up alive oberliner Jul 2015 #128

Which has exactly what to do with killing endangered species for sport? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #173

Neither actions are humane oberliner Jul 2015 #302

You are both wrong and stupid. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #339

Humane? pipoman Jul 2015 #341

Fuck hunting. darkangel218 Jul 2015 #76

Now THAT is a dangerous pastime - imho...nt jonno99 Jul 2015 #278

Lol! darkangel218 Jul 2015 #322

�What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about Karmadillo Jul 2015 #77

humans may be sad about this lion but the antelope and water buffalos are celebrating nt msongs Jul 2015 #79

there is no question that modern industrial slaughter for profit restorefreedom Jul 2015 #81

Thanks for the thoughtful response oberliner Jul 2015 #103

many choose to stay uninformed restorefreedom Jul 2015 #200

Lol, nice try! Yes, i kill cows illegally and pose with them! Nt Logical Jul 2015 #87

Well, I have taken pics of a particularly good-looking steak! nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #98

Pizza too! Nt Logical Jul 2015 #101

My assertion is that the cruelty of the factory farm system is horrific oberliner Jul 2015 #100

That's fair enough. I oppose such cruelty and buy... Adrahil Jul 2015 #109

So what do you think happens to the rodents and insects that munch on vegetable crops? Major Nikon Jul 2015 #347

No, those two things are not the same. DirkGently Jul 2015 #116

Both are monstrous oberliner Jul 2015 #132

Agree it's an opportunity to talk about both. DirkGently Jul 2015 #140

Good points oberliner Jul 2015 #142

Livestock can not be 'murdered'. They are slaughtered. closeupready Jul 2015 #117

What about wild animals? oberliner Jul 2015 #145

No, absolutely not. He poached Cecil, and killed him. closeupready Jul 2015 #156

Fair enough oberliner Jul 2015 #164

I didn't intend to chastise your vocabulary, but rather, closeupready Jul 2015 #166

Another case of altitude sickness atop a high horse. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #119

If one finds the actions of the dentist to be monstrous oberliner Jul 2015 #136

Killing for food is a different thing from killing for fun, oberliner Scootaloo Jul 2015 #122

Would the dentist's actions have been less repugnant if he had eaten the lion? oberliner Jul 2015 #133

But that question is literally nonsensical. WinkyDink Jul 2015 #159

I think killing for food can be as cruel as killing for sport oberliner Jul 2015 #172

He didn't eat the lion, as far as I'm aware. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #171

Bullshit dbackjon Jul 2015 #125

There are few things more offensive than suggesting people change their diet. ZombieHorde Jul 2015 #129

Same sorts of people who go, "were her genitals mutilated," closeupready Jul 2015 #154

what incredibly offensive bullshit TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #165

Same thing. 100%. S. A. M. E. closeupready Jul 2015 #168

lol Go Vols Jul 2015 #134

Do you raise your own chickens? oberliner Jul 2015 #141

Yes,I do have chickens. Go Vols Jul 2015 #153

Eating meat is not the same sport killing. Liberal Veteran Jul 2015 #135

Animals are being tortured and murdered on a massive scale in order to accommodate meat eating oberliner Jul 2015 #138

"Animals are being tortured and murdered on a massive scale in order to accommodate meat eating" jonno99 Jul 2015 #361

I'm almost a vegan and I disagree. roody Jul 2015 #148

He wasn't going to eat Cecil for vitamins and minerals and protein. WinkyDink Jul 2015 #158

Absolute nonsense. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #161

The meat you buy in a store was once an animal that was tortured and killed oberliner Jul 2015 #239

Brilliant Reduction to Absurdity TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #162

Both activities seem monstrous to me oberliner Jul 2015 #170

delusional vegans thinking plants dont feel pain quizzle Jul 2015 #167

I agree but of course you are going to be hammered for pointing out the obvious. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #169

Logic fail. Daemonaquila Jul 2015 #176

5 DU recs.......enough said Demonaut Jul 2015 #177

I recommend a more fruitful pastime Major Nikon Jul 2015 #186

this was much needed lol after a bad day restorefreedom Jul 2015 #236

What will you be doing at lunch time? oberliner Jul 2015 #287

I'll be totally enjoying the left over carnitas from last night Major Nikon Jul 2015 #337

It's a good thing I don't speak Spanish! oberliner Jul 2015 #364

... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #369

nice but not necessary, seriously, a kind of dickish move Demonaut Jul 2015 #295

Made it up to double digits! oberliner Jul 2015 #307

I understand, you like what the guy did and are pissed off at GD for Rex Jul 2015 #179

That is not true oberliner Jul 2015 #324

That's cute Fla_Democrat Jul 2015 #180

Okay, if thats how it has to be Telcontar Jul 2015 #185

vegans are "monsters" by your own definition as well. Shoulders of Giants Jul 2015 #189

Also plenty of little animals and birds are killed while harvesting crops. uppityperson Jul 2015 #355

I fully accept the "murder" aspect. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #190

I somewhat agree with you LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #194

Thanks for the thoughtful response oberliner Jul 2015 #326

How dare you lecture anyone who eats meat, you plant and vegetable mass-murdering hypocrite! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2015 #195

Typical sanctimonious vegan ryan_cats Jul 2015 #197

We are not at lunch - this is a discussion forum oberliner Jul 2015 #327

Killing animals that have been raised for the express purpose of being consumed hifiguy Jul 2015 #198

from the pov of human psychology you are right restorefreedom Jul 2015 #203

The pain and suffering of the animals being consumed ought to be considered oberliner Jul 2015 #304

Nope. Iggo Jul 2015 #204

ever looked at the front of your car bumper and windshield? HFRN Jul 2015 #211

i live in area where there are many butterflies and moths restorefreedom Jul 2015 #238

I've saved a few butterflys by swerving HFRN Jul 2015 #241

I'm good thanks... Positrons Jul 2015 #212

I don't believe that eating meat is the same as sport killing fishwax Jul 2015 #213

This OP is nonsense for the following reasons: Taitertots Jul 2015 #214

first of all, restorefreedom Jul 2015 #243

vegan here! but I agonize over buying pet food. try to get cruelty free Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #215

i do not know if dogs can be vegan restorefreedom Jul 2015 #246

I have cats. whole food raw meat has animal welfare ratings Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #275

i forgot about their ratings restorefreedom Jul 2015 #281

I am mostly feeding the bought cat food but introducing home cooked meat Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #283

that is so cute! big wild cats in a little body. nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #288

Tell me you did it for the lulz.... TransitJohn Jul 2015 #216

Awesome post! I wish I had the guts to write it. mucifer Jul 2015 #218

Thanks so much for your supportive post oberliner Jul 2015 #228

Nope. Cecil was a wild animal. KamaAina Jul 2015 #219

Only a monster would eat plants Shrek Jul 2015 #223

Yeah, life requires death The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #229

Way to get a shitload of replies, makes one feel cool online LOL snooper2 Jul 2015 #226

what does sjw mean? nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #247

Thanks oberliner Jul 2015 #249

Lion burgers...what are you sick. Historic NY Jul 2015 #234

I've stayed off the Cecil threads because I would feel hypocritical Ilsa Jul 2015 #242

Fair enough oberliner Jul 2015 #248

I can relate to the intensity of emotion Ilsa Jul 2015 #255

I thought "holier than thou" threads were supposed to come out on Tuesday... brooklynite Jul 2015 #245

cute. restorefreedom Jul 2015 #250

Ummm....tasty meat. ileus Jul 2015 #252

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #261

Come on, Olberliner, please LiberalElite Jul 2015 #264

It's an emotional topic oberliner Jul 2015 #267

I get it but LiberalElite Jul 2015 #268

If everyone stopped eating animal products fadedrose Jul 2015 #265

Nonsense. LiberalElite Jul 2015 #266

I don't think it's nonsense fadedrose Jul 2015 #269

I've been a vegetarian for more than 25 years. Some days LiberalElite Jul 2015 #279

Yes, it is all hopeless fadedrose Jul 2015 #294

A ridiculous presumption. This OP should be locked. GitRDun Jul 2015 #270

My assertion is that the cruelty of the factory farm system is horrific. oberliner Jul 2015 #280

He's not a sociopath for simply killing the lion. GitRDun Jul 2015 #293

I for one will only eat lion-killing dentists and wildly hyperbolic proseltyzers. Orrex Jul 2015 #271

Good for you Orrex fadedrose Jul 2015 #276

That seems reasonable oberliner Jul 2015 #285

We should definitely ban lion factories. Orrex Jul 2015 #289

I am not sure you understand what a factory farm is oberliner Jul 2015 #291

It's where they grow noses, right? Orrex Jul 2015 #292

Nice oberliner Jul 2015 #296

Yeah, right. Everyone you know who isn't a vegan is a monster. pnwmom Jul 2015 #277

People have called the dentist who killed the lion a monster oberliner Jul 2015 #284

"Unless you are a vegan, you are just as much a monster as the lion-killing dentist." Iggo Jul 2015 #343

unrec for BS 840high Jul 2015 #282

True to an extent. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #286

I have considered sarisataka Jul 2015 #297

It could be argued that vegans are as big of monsters as meat eaters. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #301

I don't like vegatables. demosincebirth Jul 2015 #305

LOL Sugarcoated Jul 2015 #306

this combine d_r Jul 2015 #308

I ate a bunch of sausage Snow Leopard Jul 2015 #311

Unless you are Voltron, you're just as much a monster as the Lion King dentist. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #314

Obeying a lifetime of cultural programming isn't monsterous. LeftyMom Jul 2015 #315

People have had a strong emotional, angry, visceral reaction to what the dentist did to Cecil oberliner Jul 2015 #332

Monster? That's way too mild. You need to take lessons from Morrissey... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #318

Only as much of one as the dentist oberliner Jul 2015 #319

Nah, you've got to ramp it up a notch to get through to these evil carnivores... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #320

I don't think carnivores are evil oberliner Jul 2015 #329

And yet you used the term "monster" in your OP. Paladin Jul 2015 #365

"As much a monster as the lion-killing dentist" oberliner Jul 2015 #366

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #331

Planned Parenthood? oberliner Jul 2015 #334

Animals that are killed for food are not shot first with a bow and arrow.... George II Jul 2015 #342

I would assert that what goes on in factory farms is similarly cruel oberliner Jul 2015 #344

Lions, Tigers, and Beef...oh My. ileus Jul 2015 #345

so.... WilmywoodNCparalegal Jul 2015 #349

There's one not far from where I live. randome Jul 2015 #353

I see your point but the difference is cruelty as reflected by society. randome Jul 2015 #352

Thank you. For letting me know that I should never take anything you say seriously. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #354

I would urge you to reconsider oberliner Jul 2015 #356

Thank you for that thoughtful response. Lil Missy Jul 2015 #358

I'm sorry NO. Trying to guilt people by extreme comparisons isn't helping anything. Avalux Jul 2015 #359

Would you similarly object to folks trying to guilt people into quitting trophy hunting? oberliner Jul 2015 #362

I've been there, was an activist with PETA for years. Avalux Jul 2015 #370

Eating animals isn't murder. Deadshot Jul 2015 #367

Understood oberliner Jul 2015 #371

*100% right* If lion was good eating we'd be breeding and slaughtering them without remorse whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #368

If loving bacon makes me a murderer. roamer65 Jul 2015 #376

For years now my diet has been 80% meat. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #378

Terrestrial Vertebrate Biomass then and now... GliderGuider Jul 2015 #379

What a jerk OP! nt longship Jul 2015 #380

I am a meat eater but I pretty much agree with you. Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #381

You are a doctor who works with brain dead people, can't deal with hamburger? Huh. Welcome to du uppityperson Jul 2015 #382

Umm I don't slaughter the brain-dead people. Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #383

meaty things I have eaten. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #385

So, the lion killer is just as okay as the homeless person eating KFC that someone gave him? The Second Stone Jul 2015 #386

That's a reasonable point oberliner Jul 2015 #389

No. A person who consumes meat from where he knows not is not guilty of animal cruelty The Second Stone Jul 2015 #390

What if he knows where it's from? oberliner Aug 2015 #391

Hearsay, or admissible personal knowledge? The Second Stone Aug 2015 #393

Animals in factory farms are grossly mistreated oberliner Aug 2015 #394

If you step on an ant, you are just as bad... MatthewStLouis Jul 2015 #388

Sorry but no. XRubicon Aug 2015 #392