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Octafish

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39. I read every word of your post.

Thu Jul 30, 2015, 05:34 PM

Jul 2015

Including this part.

I've read many of the CIA-ITT memos

As well as the Church Committee Hearings on Covert Action in Chile and Assassination Plots. I do not recall anything about Ed Koch.

Which is why I answered with the info from GWU.

And this part.

If only fault lay with the BFEE to the exclusion of Democratic presidents like Truman, JFK, LBJ, and Carter. If only one or two maleficent CIA directors were responsible rather than the entire intelligence apparatus of the US government. If only it weren't central to the American project and our position in the world. If it is a Bush family evil empire, it is an American Evil Empire, an empire of which we all are part. If you ever had the occasion to travel to Latin America, you would know you are viewed through that lens, even called an imperialist. That is not because of one American family. It is the legacy of the nation.

Still, so what?

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BFEE? BainsBane Jul 2015 #1

Seeing how George Herbert Walker Bush would soon head CIA, who knows? Octafish Jul 2015 #2

I've read many of the CIA-ITT memos BainsBane Jul 2015 #25

Here you go, from George Washington University... Octafish Jul 2015 #28

If you're not going to respond to any of my points BainsBane Jul 2015 #38

I read every word of your post. Octafish Jul 2015 #39

People should not be allowed to be here if they get caught with a second account. Rex Aug 2015 #135

I wonder if they really support Democracy, Rex. Octafish Aug 2015 #152

Here you go, from Octafish of DU... Octafish Jul 2015 #29

Fucking Kissinger, vile pos hanging with Pinochet, vile pos. JEB Aug 2015 #107

"That is not because of one American family. It is the legacy of the nation." Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #44

Be that as it may BainsBane Jul 2015 #45

Be that as it may... (are we quoting "My Cousin Vinnie"??)... ummmm, yes, it does... Ghost in the Machine Jul 2015 #54

You're right, and I won't BainsBane Aug 2015 #120

I do, because you work to denigrate what I post. Octafish Aug 2015 #123

Oh, you've done it BainsBane Aug 2015 #124

Where is it written I must respond to your posts? Octafish Aug 2015 #125

I am talking about when you have responded. BainsBane Aug 2015 #128

Did you ever hear of ''Journalism''? Octafish Aug 2015 #129

How on God's earth does that relate to anything I just said? BainsBane Aug 2015 #130

I don't call an accused rapist ''rapist'' until convicted in court. Octafish Aug 2015 #131

You mean like Bush and Cheney? zappaman Aug 2015 #132

Why do you have to defend Bush and Cheney, zappaman? Don't you know about the BFEE? Octafish Aug 2015 #133

Show me where I'm wrong. BainsBane Aug 2015 #145

Is your name zappaman, too? Octafish Aug 2015 #148

Let me check my record collection BainsBane Aug 2015 #150

First they came for Kevin Trudeau . . . BainsBane Aug 2015 #146

Yet no such qualms about evil and war criminal BainsBane Aug 2015 #144

Bane... LeftOfWest Aug 2015 #126

Shouldn't you provide 47 irrelevant links to show he ignored what you wrote? :) LanternWaste Aug 2015 #141

Yeah, true BainsBane Aug 2015 #143

Would you say this is ad hominem or a straw man? Octafish Aug 2015 #151

+1000 nt cpwm17 Jul 2015 #53

Nailed it... SidDithers Aug 2015 #79

Perfectly said. zappaman Aug 2015 #154

Well, duh! Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #3

Did you read the article? It failed to mention Bush or the Mafia-CIA plots to kill Castro. Octafish Jul 2015 #4

. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #5

Ha ha. It is to laugh at GHW Bush who was present in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Jul 2015 #6

I just found this new damning evidence. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #7

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Obama is in on it, too! Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #12

Show where I posted anything that is not true, don't smear me. Octafish Jul 2015 #15

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Poppy Bush was in Dallas on the day President Kennedy was killed. Octafish Aug 2015 #90

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Imagine a Texas oilman being in Texas!!! zappaman Aug 2015 #100

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Are you kidding? Major Nikon Jul 2015 #55

Now that you have shared this illuminating piece of evidence with me, Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #56

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And your right to speculate as well... Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2015 #99

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It's more who you know. Octafish Aug 2015 #60

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Keep your straw men straight. Octafish Aug 2015 #63

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You should be a Colonel by now. Octafish Aug 2015 #70

Oh snap! zappaman Aug 2015 #74

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Double snap! zappaman Aug 2015 #80

I think he's a lot funnier unintentionally, though Major Nikon Aug 2015 #86

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Are you one of the Flock that came over to DU from the Amazing Randi's J-REF forum? Octafish Aug 2015 #111

... Major Nikon Aug 2015 #113

Oh... zappaman Aug 2015 #114

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And you should have your own comedy road show Major Nikon Aug 2015 #83

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Here's what I find funny about you... Major Nikon Aug 2015 #105

Not quite. Apart from my threads, I wouldn't interact with you or the Tag Team. Octafish Aug 2015 #109

hoffa is buried under a crop circle somewhere. the BFEE, themselves secret pawns of the greys, were dionysus Aug 2015 #153

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"informed researcher" Major Nikon Aug 2015 #118

critical thought. reddread Aug 2015 #119

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Nixon and The Mob Octafish Jul 2015 #58

he's still alive...I thought everyone knew that? Did the intertubes make people stupid? snooper2 Jul 2015 #8

Weren't for you, I might never have reported on Duquesne to DU. Octafish Jul 2015 #11

I Rock! snooper2 Jul 2015 #14

''He was expendable.'' Octafish Jul 2015 #16

no, the one he wrote- published a few months after he disappeared snooper2 Jul 2015 #20

Did he talk about bribing Nixon? Octafish Jul 2015 #22

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How many teamsters does it take to screw in a light bulb? Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #17

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You hoo, JFK BainsBane Jul 2015 #26

I think we all know the CIA used chemtrails to force JFK to authorize the operation. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #32

It bothers me to know CIA lied to JFK. Octafish Jul 2015 #59

Absolutely true and JFK took responsibility for the fiasco. Octafish Jul 2015 #34

Now you're going to make me go look at the joint committee records on assassination plots BainsBane Jul 2015 #37

History from Debra Conway of JFK Lancer... Octafish Jul 2015 #51

As a Teamster, I find that joke..... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2015 #27

I am surprised to see so many Bush supporters JEB Jul 2015 #21

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I'm not sure what it is but it certainly stinks. JEB Jul 2015 #31

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Sam Giancana, the Mafia chief and CIA go-to, DIED WHILE UNDER WITNESS PROTECTION. Octafish Jul 2015 #35

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KnR! Thank you for this! n/t Holly_Hobby Jul 2015 #23

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This message was self-deleted by its author StandingInLeftField Jul 2015 #52

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So you can't show me where I'm wrong. zappaman Aug 2015 #73

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I asked you to show me where I'm wrong. zappaman Aug 2015 #76

What you wrote is asinine. Octafish Aug 2015 #82

You're the expert on writing that's "asinine". zappaman Aug 2015 #89

Poor zappaman. Show where what I wrote is wrong. Octafish Aug 2015 #91

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Thanks my friend. zappaman Aug 2015 #112

I am not your friend, zappaman. Octafish Aug 2015 #116

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Yeah, because we don't need to smear fellow DUers. Octafish Aug 2015 #140

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PBS' History Detectives MinM Aug 2015 #81

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Nonsense, the doctor found Hoffa in Tony Soprano's abdomen. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #85

What PBS found... Octafish Aug 2015 #87

Lighten up, Francis. nt msanthrope Aug 2015 #88

I don't take orders from you, msanthrope. Octafish Aug 2015 #92

For you.... msanthrope Aug 2015 #93

Profound movie. Octafish Aug 2015 #94

I have my humor, Octa....so I got that going for me..... msanthrope Aug 2015 #96

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Too much of a Star Wars geek. Midly amusing at parties. Octa, you don't think Cass has msanthrope Aug 2015 #104

I don't know. Just the fact we have to entertain such an idea shows how low our democracy has sunk. Octafish Aug 2015 #108

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The Mafia-Nixon connection is unappreciated for a reason... Octafish Aug 2015 #156

K&R for pissing off the Right person! Rex Aug 2015 #134

K&R CrawlingChaos Aug 2015 #142