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In reply to the discussion: Jimmy Hoffa disappeared 40 years ago today [View all]Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)54. Be that as it may... (are we quoting "My Cousin Vinnie"??)... ummmm, yes, it does...
I KNOW that you didn't have time to look up the link, much less research any of the ancestors past Poppy, whose own father was involved with a bank that got its assets frozen under the Trading With the Enemies Act" from (I think) 1943 until the war was over.
My problem with "creative speculation" is not that it blames "corporatists and oligarchs," as one poster commented. Rather that it makes the issues small, neat and tidy. If the history of US support of terror and assassination were limited to one family, that would make it so much easier, wouldn't it? But it's not. It runs throughout US history during the Cold War, even before and since. It is the history of US empire and brutal defense of capitalism.
See:
Union Banking Corporation [edit]
Bush was a founding member and one of seven directors (including W. Averell Harriman) of the Union Banking Corporation (holding a single share out of 4,000 as a director), an investment bank that operated as a clearing house for many assets and enterprises held by German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen.[6][7] In July 1942, the bank was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders.[8] A subsequent government investigation disproved those allegations but confirmed the Thyssens' control, and in October 1942 the United States seized the bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II.[6] Journalist Duncan Campbell pointed out documents showing that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen.[6]
According to journalist Joe Conason, Prescott Bush's involvement with UBC was purely commercial and he was not a Nazi sympathizer.[9] The Anti-Defamation League[10] and historian Herbert Parmet[7] agreed with that assessment. The Anti-Defamation League said that "rumours about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush ... have circulated widely through the internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated ... Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathiser." [6] The 1942 investigation did not establish a connection between Prescott Bush and Thyssen.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush#Union_Banking_Corporation
Bush was a founding member and one of seven directors (including W. Averell Harriman) of the Union Banking Corporation (holding a single share out of 4,000 as a director), an investment bank that operated as a clearing house for many assets and enterprises held by German steel magnate Fritz Thyssen.[6][7] In July 1942, the bank was suspected of holding gold on behalf of Nazi leaders.[8] A subsequent government investigation disproved those allegations but confirmed the Thyssens' control, and in October 1942 the United States seized the bank under the Trading with the Enemy Act and held the assets for the duration of World War II.[6] Journalist Duncan Campbell pointed out documents showing that Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder of a number of companies involved with Thyssen.[6]
According to journalist Joe Conason, Prescott Bush's involvement with UBC was purely commercial and he was not a Nazi sympathizer.[9] The Anti-Defamation League[10] and historian Herbert Parmet[7] agreed with that assessment. The Anti-Defamation League said that "rumours about the alleged Nazi 'ties' of the late Prescott Bush ... have circulated widely through the internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated ... Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathiser." [6] The 1942 investigation did not establish a connection between Prescott Bush and Thyssen.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush#Union_Banking_Corporation
It has brought us cheap oil, copper, fruit--the bananas you buy today at the store, all come with a legacy of brutal repression and murder. It is not simply about Jimmy Hoffa or Ed Koch, or the fault of the BFEE. It is America; it is part of all of us. Conspiracy theories eschew that in order to tie it all up into easy packages, to engage in simplistic pointing at bad guys, as though life were a tightly scripted movie. If only it were so simple. If only fault lay with the BFEE to the exclusion of Democratic presidents like Truman, JFK, LBJ, and Carter. If only one or two maleficent CIA directors were responsible rather than the entire intelligence apparatus of the US government. If only it weren't central to the American project and our position in the world. If it is a Bush family evil empire, it is an American Evil Empire, an empire of which we all are part. If you ever had the occasion to travel to Latin America, you would know you are viewed through that lens, even called an imperialist. That is not because of one American family.
Another prominent Bush Family member was involved in a fruit business, which also imported bananas, but I will let YOU look it up, I already know, but it's already been a long day, and I am tired & need to stretch out for a bit. That's what happens when you are disabled from a work related accident that left you with a broken neck and back, 2 major neck surgeries, but still have no one to take care of your property for you except your 77 year old father, who doesn't need to be out there either, 2 months or so after being diagnosed with blood cancer. That's who we are in *our* family, we do what *needs* to be done, even if it puts you in bed for a few days, so I think you can handle doing some of your own research back on this family (BFEE) and find out the connections to banks, steel magnates, all sorts of top level people in industries, even in news papers (though I *could be wrong* on that one, and won't mind admitting at all if I am, that's the sort of man I am).
Peace,
Ghost
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"That is not because of one American family. It is the legacy of the nation."
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2015
#44
Be that as it may... (are we quoting "My Cousin Vinnie"??)... ummmm, yes, it does...
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2015
#54
Why do you have to defend Bush and Cheney, zappaman? Don't you know about the BFEE?
Octafish
Aug 2015
#133
Shouldn't you provide 47 irrelevant links to show he ignored what you wrote? :)
LanternWaste
Aug 2015
#141
Did you read the article? It failed to mention Bush or the Mafia-CIA plots to kill Castro.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#4
We should seek answers to CIA role in HSCAJFK probe - where Jimmy Hoffa was scheduled to testify
Octafish
Jul 2015
#9
If you wait long enough, it will always come back to Poppy Bush in Dallas...
SidDithers
Aug 2015
#78
Are you one of the Flock that came over to DU from the Amazing Randi's J-REF forum?
Octafish
Aug 2015
#111
Not quite. Apart from my threads, I wouldn't interact with you or the Tag Team.
Octafish
Aug 2015
#109
hoffa is buried under a crop circle somewhere. the BFEE, themselves secret pawns of the greys, were
dionysus
Aug 2015
#153
he's still alive...I thought everyone knew that? Did the intertubes make people stupid?
snooper2
Jul 2015
#8
I think we all know the CIA used chemtrails to force JFK to authorize the operation.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#32
Now you're going to make me go look at the joint committee records on assassination plots
BainsBane
Jul 2015
#37
They defend the BFEE, that reallys says it all and they cannot hide it or care to.
Rex
Aug 2015
#137
Sam Giancana, the Mafia chief and CIA go-to, DIED WHILE UNDER WITNESS PROTECTION.
Octafish
Jul 2015
#35
They are sad little people, best to just ignore them and be amused by their trolling imo.
Rex
Aug 2015
#136
This history is why I never denigrate people with labels like ''Conspiracy Theorist.''
Octafish
Jul 2015
#40
K&R My dad was a lifelong Teamster member. Elizabeth Cheney was just a little girl when Hoffa van-
bobthedrummer
Jul 2015
#36
K&R!! I remember this, and I was only 12 when it happened, but coming from a STRONG UNION FAMILY
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2015
#46
Creeping closer to 53! Next February... so I can still say "next year" for now!
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2015
#48
Assume you're talking to a guy who doesn't have a lot of spare time on his hands...
Act_of_Reparation
Aug 2015
#155
Too much of a Star Wars geek. Midly amusing at parties. Octa, you don't think Cass has
msanthrope
Aug 2015
#104
I don't know. Just the fact we have to entertain such an idea shows how low our democracy has sunk.
Octafish
Aug 2015
#108
Nixon’s Bay of Pigs Secrets..the interlocking connections between CIA , anti- Castro Cubans, the mob
Ichingcarpenter
Aug 2015
#127