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390. No. A person who consumes meat from where he knows not is not guilty of animal cruelty

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:41 PM

Jul 2015

in any sense at all. The people who run the farm might be. A person who kills a lion might be guilty of animal cruelty, and might not be. If a lion is killed in a hunt instantly and doesn't even know he was hunted, no cruelty. If a lion is killed while attacking a person, no cruelty. If a lion is teased from his refuge and killed, then probably cruelty.

What the vegans don't seem to understand is that plants are living things too. They have as much a right to live a free and wild life as animals. Same with bacteria. What criteria do we have for other living things? Must they have a spine? Some sort of intelligence? Ever played with a cuttlefish or octopus? I haven't, but I've eaten octopus, despite them being plainly intelligent.

It's just not sporting to eat a vegetable that has no chance to get away or kill you back.

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Unless you are a vegan, you are just as much a monster as the lion-killing dentist [View all] oberliner Jul 2015 OP

... TreasonousBastard Jul 2015 #1

I understand that line of thinking, but I reject the premise. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #2

In what respect? oberliner Jul 2015 #11

I thought you might want more so I edited the above. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #13

Adding a good video since this thread is fairly disappointing snooper2 Jul 2015 #299

This message was self-deleted by its author GliderGuider Jul 2015 #377

animals kill and eat each other all the time. Adrahil Jul 2015 #62

Animals kill babies and rape females oberliner Jul 2015 #70

We also, generally speaking, do not eat other humans. Adrahil Jul 2015 #85

Yet we still do it. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #193

But folks generally don't boast about it on DU oberliner Jul 2015 #232

Animals aren't moral beings, humans are. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #348

Agreed oberliner Jul 2015 #350

Now I feel bad. I'm going to have to throw out my stuffed chicken head collection. postulater Jul 2015 #3

Better for the corpse of Cecil to have been processed into food? oberliner Jul 2015 #6

This thread prompted me to do ribs this weekend, want to come over (dry rub) snooper2 Jul 2015 #230

I'm more of a brisket person. brooklynite Jul 2015 #237

So instead of four hours you want seven ...I can do that :) snooper2 Jul 2015 #240

those look amazing! Amishman Jul 2015 #360

charcoal! fucking charcoal! never! In Texas we use real fuel snooper2 Jul 2015 #387

I'll just sit here sharp_stick Jul 2015 #4

Highly intelligent response. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #80

Such an apropos reply to my response sharp_stick Jul 2015 #209

That cartoon is pretty funny oberliner Jul 2015 #257

+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #303

What if I'm a cannibal? hunter Jul 2015 #5

We might be shocked by LuvNewcastle Jul 2015 #321

Uh - no leftynyc Jul 2015 #7

If the dentist had eaten the lion, that would have made it better? oberliner Jul 2015 #14

Not if he was then leftynyc Jul 2015 #92

I agree. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #139

In my opinion eating what you hunt is less cruel than eating a burger at a fast food place. mucifer Jul 2015 #221

I can't see eating a lion, but eating a steak is good eating yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #112

Why do you care about the lion's death but not the cow's? oberliner Jul 2015 #251

I was interested in the news of the lion yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #316

The vast majority of people only care about the lion's death skepticscott Jul 2015 #357

Anyone else you want to wag your finger at? lpbk2713 Jul 2015 #8

People are justifiably wagging their fingers at the dentist for what he did to that lion oberliner Jul 2015 #16

Understood. lpbk2713 Jul 2015 #21

"Own food choices"??? He killed the lion for food? Link please! nt Logical Jul 2015 #90

He did not kill the lion for food oberliner Jul 2015 #108

But it isn't about the food. ozone_man Jul 2015 #202

No the thread is about cruelty to animals. The animals most people eat suffer horribly for years. mucifer Jul 2015 #222

Did the lion suffer? I think people are upset because he was KILLED. Chemisse Jul 2015 #260

No it's not. The OP is discussing animal suffering and the animals that are turned into mucifer Jul 2015 #263

point of accuracy Kali Jul 2015 #312

yep pipoman Jul 2015 #338

It can be about cruelty to animals. ozone_man Jul 2015 #373

Obviously - you feel that everybody who doesn't share your view is a monster el_bryanto Jul 2015 #351

He like makes a Outraged at GD post once a day, nothing original about the OP. Rex Jul 2015 #181

What are you talking about? oberliner Jul 2015 #273

Rex... zappaman Jul 2015 #274

I assume you never mow your lawn. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #9

... or lives in a house ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #35

and the ultimate answer is the new Prius Solution... GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #66

That's awesome!! I want one!!! JoePhilly Jul 2015 #75

Oh my gosh, that'll do it! DawgHouse Jul 2015 #191

but what about all the bugs crushed under the floor of his tent? HFRN Jul 2015 #210

Unfortunately everyone contributes to animal cruelty oberliner Jul 2015 #43

Agree Polly Hennessey Jul 2015 #127

sowing and harvesting deafskeptic Jul 2015 #143

This message was self-deleted by its author deafskeptic Jul 2015 #144

bombast Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #10

Pretty much nobody eats lions, really. MineralMan Jul 2015 #12

Some people are calling this dentist a monster oberliner Jul 2015 #22

what's the conservation status of chickens and pigs? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #23

I call the dentist a selfish asshole. MineralMan Jul 2015 #25

You are a lot kinder than I was Warpy Jul 2015 #72

You don't get to decide the tracks. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #84

I get to decide my opinion, though. MineralMan Jul 2015 #111

Yep. uou don't get to decide what track the poster is on, though. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #152

Oh BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #15

that was my reaction too Kali Jul 2015 #313

Tell it to my canine dentition. Gregorian Jul 2015 #17

What a pile. Throd Jul 2015 #18

Might want to talk about the post rather than yourself HERVEPA Jul 2015 #86

Everyone but you knows he was addressing the post. Nt Logical Jul 2015 #94

Oh, really. Thanks, I didn't know. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #107

I know you didn't know. nt Logical Jul 2015 #131

Got Lettuce? snooper2 Jul 2015 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author roamer65 Jul 2015 #375

This is some high grade sophistry geek tragedy Jul 2015 #19

Thank you for your response oberliner Jul 2015 #26

oy, so this is just PETA vegangelism. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #50

Or maybe just compassion. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #88

nope, just vegangelism trying to horn in on concern for endangered species. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #93

Consider extending your compassion for endangered species to other animals as well oberliner Jul 2015 #113

Not about compassion it's about preservation. nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #115

Nailed it. n/t zappaman Jul 2015 #114

but come on...you have to admit..that this snooper2 Jul 2015 #227

A lion's head looks good mounted on a wall oberliner Jul 2015 #231

BLAH, cows and steers are overpopulated because of humans..lions not so much snooper2 Jul 2015 #235

Them's good eatin' LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #384

You were supposed to get outraged! He makes a thread a day just to crap on DU. Rex Jul 2015 #182

"If you put gas in your car you're no different than the Koch brothers!!!" nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #183

Pretty much. Rex Jul 2015 #184

What are you talking about? oberliner Jul 2015 #254

Absurd. Marr Jul 2015 #20

Day old male baby chicks are dropped, mutilated, and ground up alive oberliner Jul 2015 #33

I know. Marr Jul 2015 #44

What? Why? smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #201

Chick culling oberliner Jul 2015 #259

Ugh, that bums me out. smirkymonkey Jul 2015 #325

Yeah - I was once shown a video of that process oberliner Jul 2015 #328

i've seen the peta films of that - sickening HFRN Jul 2015 #208

Those films have stuck with me forever oberliner Jul 2015 #258

I suppose I shouldn't have any compassion for Cecil -- he wasn't a vegan either. onenote Jul 2015 #24

I just wanted to encourage folks to reconsider their food choices oberliner Jul 2015 #37

reconsider our food choices? tonight's dinner was going to be cold peanut noodles msanthrope Jul 2015 #57

Then I'm not the only one. eShirl Jul 2015 #323

No need to apologize for an accurate post HERVEPA Jul 2015 #91

a small number of animals are raised and Killed humanely G_j Jul 2015 #27

I'm a pescetarian that doesn't consume dairy. I eat mostly veggie meals with stevenleser Jul 2015 #28

Does that make Cecil a monster too?... SidDithers Jul 2015 #29

Cecil did not have other options oberliner Jul 2015 #40

So what are your options that you seem to think are better? Major Nikon Jul 2015 #59

Personally, I recommend my diet to anyone. I adopted it with the hopes of going vegan eventually stevenleser Jul 2015 #78

You are still murdering countless helpless animals by the OPs definition Major Nikon Jul 2015 #104

I'm sure there are various folks who would think so. I'm comfortable with where I am and where I am stevenleser Jul 2015 #121

Agreed Major Nikon Jul 2015 #157

Humans are biologically programmed to eat meat... SidDithers Jul 2015 #82

The fucking ridiculousness of it is what makes it counterproductive to the stated goal Major Nikon Jul 2015 #110

Men are biologically programmed to impregnate as many females as possible oberliner Jul 2015 #118

Some of us have been vegans for decades we don't need to eat meat. mucifer Jul 2015 #224

what about omnivores? lancer78 Jul 2015 #151

Hey sid ... please remember ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #47

... HFRN Jul 2015 #207

What lions do in the wild would certainly be considered monstrous by human standards oberliner Jul 2015 #244

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #30

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. n/t BeeBee Jul 2015 #31

Why not talk about the OP rather than your own post? HERVEPA Jul 2015 #95

I did that, thanks. n/t BeeBee Jul 2015 #105

This is what passes for wit these days? MattSh Jul 2015 #317

Oh for God's sake. NuclearDem Jul 2015 #32

IKR, I joined a Vegan Facebook page and got kicked off because I insisted some GMO plants KittyWampus Jul 2015 #147

Biologically, we are evolved to be omnivores and eat animals. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #34

Scientifically speaking our teeth cannot bite through WDIM Jul 2015 #54

Humans have evolved to eat cooked meat, as we have been using fire for more than 350,000 years. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #73

Our digestive system also has not evolved to eat WDIM Jul 2015 #120

Yes, that is I said omnvore. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #146

But biologically speaking not large mammals for that we need tools WDIM Jul 2015 #160

Tools do not defy nature. They are anadaptaton we evolved with, and their use Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #188

You can get plenty of protein without eating meat. WDIM Jul 2015 #192

Scienctific evidence absolutely disagrees with your statement. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #196

Your argument continues be bereft of logic and reason and evidence. WDIM Jul 2015 #205

You work from a system of belief not fact. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #206

Defy nature? TransitJohn Jul 2015 #217

Complete nonsense Major Nikon Jul 2015 #97

Biological evolutionary speaking we are not meant to eat large mammals WDIM Jul 2015 #137

Tool use is an adaptation devloped millions of years ago, not a short cut. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #155

Tools are not biological WDIM Jul 2015 #199

Not sure where you are pulling that out of Major Nikon Jul 2015 #174

Where did you take your PhD? TransitJohn Jul 2015 #220

You don't need a PhD for this one laundry_queen Jul 2015 #256

Biologically, men are evolved to impregnate multiple females oberliner Jul 2015 #124

Good point WDIM Jul 2015 #150

If that were true there would be far more women than men Major Nikon Jul 2015 #178

The rate of monogamy among primates is about 6 percent oberliner Jul 2015 #298

You are trying to make an ethical argument whether or not you realize or admit it Major Nikon Jul 2015 #336

As a Pescetarian..Nah... Peacetrain Jul 2015 #36

Yep, fellow pescetarian here who also does not eat dairy or eggs. Love the diet, hope to go all stevenleser Jul 2015 #89

I have been doing this for over 4 years and just love it Peacetrain Jul 2015 #106

Yes, dramatically changed my cholesterol. I wish I had done this a long time ago. stevenleser Jul 2015 #123

Steven that is awesome! Peacetrain Jul 2015 #253

I have never killed anything in my life. abakan Jul 2015 #38

In 1987 there was a spider on your alternator that would tell a different story snooper2 Jul 2015 #272

Nope abakan Jul 2015 #310

If you don't like it, then you can change the behavior oberliner Jul 2015 #290

you assume much. abakan Jul 2015 #309

I agree but monster is a little strong. WDIM Jul 2015 #39

I was sitting here trying to think of what to make for dinner tonight ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #41

Think about the life that turkey had before its carcass reached the grocery store oberliner Jul 2015 #56

For a second there, I thought you said "pheasant". JoePhilly Jul 2015 #60

Proud of your arrogance? HERVEPA Jul 2015 #99

I think you mean my whimsical approach to life. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #149

proud of your self-righteousness? TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #163

Just as bad as Pat Robertson or any other Bible Thumper alphafemale Jul 2015 #175

Arguably worse Major Nikon Jul 2015 #187

so, we should drive turkeys and chickens into extinction? nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #96

If the electronic devices you use contain coltan, and chances are they do GusBob Jul 2015 #42

Well, I'm safe on the egg thing. cwydro Jul 2015 #45

And if I prevent my sperm from reaching an egg postatomic Jul 2015 #46

Alert Results irisblue Jul 2015 #48

No reason to hide the OP. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2015 #51

Forget the alert, the poster should have gotten a lifetime ban Reter Jul 2015 #262

A lifetime ban? oberliner Jul 2015 #300

I find a relevant and precise difference LanternWaste Jul 2015 #49

Understood oberliner Jul 2015 #58

And this kind of tact is exactly why no one takes PETA seriously either Godhumor Jul 2015 #52

Plento of people take Peta seriously. HERVEPA Jul 2015 #102

PETA has transformed the way people think about animal testing and wearing fur oberliner Jul 2015 #126

PETA's effectiveness suggests they're worth taking seriously Karmadillo Jul 2015 #130

Cecil was a critically endangered animal and an icon. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #53

The cruel murder of Cecil could provide an opportunity to reflect on one's own food choices oberliner Jul 2015 #61

I don't eat endangered animals. SunSeeker Jul 2015 #83

Are you a vegan/vegetarian? Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2015 #55

Does it not seem incongruous to you? oberliner Jul 2015 #63

Cruelty... sibelian Jul 2015 #330

I think that both factory farms and trophy hunting are needless oberliner Jul 2015 #333

I have two slightly contradictory reactions to that sibelian Jul 2015 #335

These are all reasonable points oberliner Jul 2015 #363

Wah! sibelian Jul 2015 #372

My eggs aren't endangered BainsBane Jul 2015 #64

Bullshit. Warpy Jul 2015 #65

How can you tell if someone is a vegan? Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #67

How can you tell if someone is a meat eater? mucifer Jul 2015 #225

Not until they are called a "monster" for eating a ham sandwich.... pipoman Jul 2015 #340

Not really true Major Nikon Jul 2015 #346

Meat eaters always go on and on and on about eating meat. mucifer Jul 2015 #374

BULL SHIT chalmers Jul 2015 #68

You are entitled to your opinion Matariki Jul 2015 #69

I am not a Munster. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #71

Not really, no Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #74

Day old male baby chicks are dropped, mutilated, and ground up alive oberliner Jul 2015 #128

Which has exactly what to do with killing endangered species for sport? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #173

Neither actions are humane oberliner Jul 2015 #302

You are both wrong and stupid. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #339

Humane? pipoman Jul 2015 #341

Fuck hunting. darkangel218 Jul 2015 #76

Now THAT is a dangerous pastime - imho...nt jonno99 Jul 2015 #278

Lol! darkangel218 Jul 2015 #322

�What do they know-all these scholars, all these philosophers, all the leaders of the world - about Karmadillo Jul 2015 #77

humans may be sad about this lion but the antelope and water buffalos are celebrating nt msongs Jul 2015 #79

there is no question that modern industrial slaughter for profit restorefreedom Jul 2015 #81

Thanks for the thoughtful response oberliner Jul 2015 #103

many choose to stay uninformed restorefreedom Jul 2015 #200

Lol, nice try! Yes, i kill cows illegally and pose with them! Nt Logical Jul 2015 #87

Well, I have taken pics of a particularly good-looking steak! nt Adrahil Jul 2015 #98

Pizza too! Nt Logical Jul 2015 #101

My assertion is that the cruelty of the factory farm system is horrific oberliner Jul 2015 #100

That's fair enough. I oppose such cruelty and buy... Adrahil Jul 2015 #109

So what do you think happens to the rodents and insects that munch on vegetable crops? Major Nikon Jul 2015 #347

No, those two things are not the same. DirkGently Jul 2015 #116

Both are monstrous oberliner Jul 2015 #132

Agree it's an opportunity to talk about both. DirkGently Jul 2015 #140

Good points oberliner Jul 2015 #142

Livestock can not be 'murdered'. They are slaughtered. closeupready Jul 2015 #117

What about wild animals? oberliner Jul 2015 #145

No, absolutely not. He poached Cecil, and killed him. closeupready Jul 2015 #156

Fair enough oberliner Jul 2015 #164

I didn't intend to chastise your vocabulary, but rather, closeupready Jul 2015 #166

Another case of altitude sickness atop a high horse. hobbit709 Jul 2015 #119

If one finds the actions of the dentist to be monstrous oberliner Jul 2015 #136

Killing for food is a different thing from killing for fun, oberliner Scootaloo Jul 2015 #122

Would the dentist's actions have been less repugnant if he had eaten the lion? oberliner Jul 2015 #133

But that question is literally nonsensical. WinkyDink Jul 2015 #159

I think killing for food can be as cruel as killing for sport oberliner Jul 2015 #172

He didn't eat the lion, as far as I'm aware. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #171

Bullshit dbackjon Jul 2015 #125

There are few things more offensive than suggesting people change their diet. ZombieHorde Jul 2015 #129

Same sorts of people who go, "were her genitals mutilated," closeupready Jul 2015 #154

what incredibly offensive bullshit TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #165

Same thing. 100%. S. A. M. E. closeupready Jul 2015 #168

lol Go Vols Jul 2015 #134

Do you raise your own chickens? oberliner Jul 2015 #141

Yes,I do have chickens. Go Vols Jul 2015 #153

Eating meat is not the same sport killing. Liberal Veteran Jul 2015 #135

Animals are being tortured and murdered on a massive scale in order to accommodate meat eating oberliner Jul 2015 #138

"Animals are being tortured and murdered on a massive scale in order to accommodate meat eating" jonno99 Jul 2015 #361

I'm almost a vegan and I disagree. roody Jul 2015 #148

He wasn't going to eat Cecil for vitamins and minerals and protein. WinkyDink Jul 2015 #158

Absolute nonsense. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #161

The meat you buy in a store was once an animal that was tortured and killed oberliner Jul 2015 #239

Brilliant Reduction to Absurdity TheSarcastinator Jul 2015 #162

Both activities seem monstrous to me oberliner Jul 2015 #170

delusional vegans thinking plants dont feel pain quizzle Jul 2015 #167

I agree but of course you are going to be hammered for pointing out the obvious. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #169

Logic fail. Daemonaquila Jul 2015 #176

5 DU recs.......enough said Demonaut Jul 2015 #177

I recommend a more fruitful pastime Major Nikon Jul 2015 #186

this was much needed lol after a bad day restorefreedom Jul 2015 #236

What will you be doing at lunch time? oberliner Jul 2015 #287

I'll be totally enjoying the left over carnitas from last night Major Nikon Jul 2015 #337

It's a good thing I don't speak Spanish! oberliner Jul 2015 #364

... Major Nikon Jul 2015 #369

nice but not necessary, seriously, a kind of dickish move Demonaut Jul 2015 #295

Made it up to double digits! oberliner Jul 2015 #307

I understand, you like what the guy did and are pissed off at GD for Rex Jul 2015 #179

That is not true oberliner Jul 2015 #324

That's cute Fla_Democrat Jul 2015 #180

Okay, if thats how it has to be Telcontar Jul 2015 #185

vegans are "monsters" by your own definition as well. Shoulders of Giants Jul 2015 #189

Also plenty of little animals and birds are killed while harvesting crops. uppityperson Jul 2015 #355

I fully accept the "murder" aspect. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #190

I somewhat agree with you LostOne4Ever Jul 2015 #194

Thanks for the thoughtful response oberliner Jul 2015 #326

How dare you lecture anyone who eats meat, you plant and vegetable mass-murdering hypocrite! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2015 #195

Typical sanctimonious vegan ryan_cats Jul 2015 #197

We are not at lunch - this is a discussion forum oberliner Jul 2015 #327

Killing animals that have been raised for the express purpose of being consumed hifiguy Jul 2015 #198

from the pov of human psychology you are right restorefreedom Jul 2015 #203

The pain and suffering of the animals being consumed ought to be considered oberliner Jul 2015 #304

Nope. Iggo Jul 2015 #204

ever looked at the front of your car bumper and windshield? HFRN Jul 2015 #211

i live in area where there are many butterflies and moths restorefreedom Jul 2015 #238

I've saved a few butterflys by swerving HFRN Jul 2015 #241

I'm good thanks... Positrons Jul 2015 #212

I don't believe that eating meat is the same as sport killing fishwax Jul 2015 #213

This OP is nonsense for the following reasons: Taitertots Jul 2015 #214

first of all, restorefreedom Jul 2015 #243

vegan here! but I agonize over buying pet food. try to get cruelty free Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #215

i do not know if dogs can be vegan restorefreedom Jul 2015 #246

I have cats. whole food raw meat has animal welfare ratings Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #275

i forgot about their ratings restorefreedom Jul 2015 #281

I am mostly feeding the bought cat food but introducing home cooked meat Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #283

that is so cute! big wild cats in a little body. nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #288

Tell me you did it for the lulz.... TransitJohn Jul 2015 #216

Awesome post! I wish I had the guts to write it. mucifer Jul 2015 #218

Thanks so much for your supportive post oberliner Jul 2015 #228

Nope. Cecil was a wild animal. KamaAina Jul 2015 #219

Only a monster would eat plants Shrek Jul 2015 #223

Yeah, life requires death The2ndWheel Jul 2015 #229

Way to get a shitload of replies, makes one feel cool online LOL snooper2 Jul 2015 #226

what does sjw mean? nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #247

Thanks oberliner Jul 2015 #249

Lion burgers...what are you sick. Historic NY Jul 2015 #234

I've stayed off the Cecil threads because I would feel hypocritical Ilsa Jul 2015 #242

Fair enough oberliner Jul 2015 #248

I can relate to the intensity of emotion Ilsa Jul 2015 #255

I thought "holier than thou" threads were supposed to come out on Tuesday... brooklynite Jul 2015 #245

cute. restorefreedom Jul 2015 #250

Ummm....tasty meat. ileus Jul 2015 #252

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #261

Come on, Olberliner, please LiberalElite Jul 2015 #264

It's an emotional topic oberliner Jul 2015 #267

I get it but LiberalElite Jul 2015 #268

If everyone stopped eating animal products fadedrose Jul 2015 #265

Nonsense. LiberalElite Jul 2015 #266

I don't think it's nonsense fadedrose Jul 2015 #269

I've been a vegetarian for more than 25 years. Some days LiberalElite Jul 2015 #279

Yes, it is all hopeless fadedrose Jul 2015 #294

A ridiculous presumption. This OP should be locked. GitRDun Jul 2015 #270

My assertion is that the cruelty of the factory farm system is horrific. oberliner Jul 2015 #280

He's not a sociopath for simply killing the lion. GitRDun Jul 2015 #293

I for one will only eat lion-killing dentists and wildly hyperbolic proseltyzers. Orrex Jul 2015 #271

Good for you Orrex fadedrose Jul 2015 #276

That seems reasonable oberliner Jul 2015 #285

We should definitely ban lion factories. Orrex Jul 2015 #289

I am not sure you understand what a factory farm is oberliner Jul 2015 #291

It's where they grow noses, right? Orrex Jul 2015 #292

Nice oberliner Jul 2015 #296

Yeah, right. Everyone you know who isn't a vegan is a monster. pnwmom Jul 2015 #277

People have called the dentist who killed the lion a monster oberliner Jul 2015 #284

"Unless you are a vegan, you are just as much a monster as the lion-killing dentist." Iggo Jul 2015 #343

unrec for BS 840high Jul 2015 #282

True to an extent. SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #286

I have considered sarisataka Jul 2015 #297

It could be argued that vegans are as big of monsters as meat eaters. RichVRichV Jul 2015 #301

I don't like vegatables. demosincebirth Jul 2015 #305

LOL Sugarcoated Jul 2015 #306

this combine d_r Jul 2015 #308

I ate a bunch of sausage Snow Leopard Jul 2015 #311

Unless you are Voltron, you're just as much a monster as the Lion King dentist. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #314

Obeying a lifetime of cultural programming isn't monsterous. LeftyMom Jul 2015 #315

People have had a strong emotional, angry, visceral reaction to what the dentist did to Cecil oberliner Jul 2015 #332

Monster? That's way too mild. You need to take lessons from Morrissey... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #318

Only as much of one as the dentist oberliner Jul 2015 #319

Nah, you've got to ramp it up a notch to get through to these evil carnivores... Violet_Crumble Jul 2015 #320

I don't think carnivores are evil oberliner Jul 2015 #329

And yet you used the term "monster" in your OP. Paladin Jul 2015 #365

"As much a monster as the lion-killing dentist" oberliner Jul 2015 #366

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #331

Planned Parenthood? oberliner Jul 2015 #334

Animals that are killed for food are not shot first with a bow and arrow.... George II Jul 2015 #342

I would assert that what goes on in factory farms is similarly cruel oberliner Jul 2015 #344

Lions, Tigers, and Beef...oh My. ileus Jul 2015 #345

so.... WilmywoodNCparalegal Jul 2015 #349

There's one not far from where I live. randome Jul 2015 #353

I see your point but the difference is cruelty as reflected by society. randome Jul 2015 #352

Thank you. For letting me know that I should never take anything you say seriously. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #354

I would urge you to reconsider oberliner Jul 2015 #356

Thank you for that thoughtful response. Lil Missy Jul 2015 #358

I'm sorry NO. Trying to guilt people by extreme comparisons isn't helping anything. Avalux Jul 2015 #359

Would you similarly object to folks trying to guilt people into quitting trophy hunting? oberliner Jul 2015 #362

I've been there, was an activist with PETA for years. Avalux Jul 2015 #370

Eating animals isn't murder. Deadshot Jul 2015 #367

Understood oberliner Jul 2015 #371

*100% right* If lion was good eating we'd be breeding and slaughtering them without remorse whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #368

If loving bacon makes me a murderer. roamer65 Jul 2015 #376

For years now my diet has been 80% meat. GliderGuider Jul 2015 #378

Terrestrial Vertebrate Biomass then and now... GliderGuider Jul 2015 #379

What a jerk OP! nt longship Jul 2015 #380

I am a meat eater but I pretty much agree with you. Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #381

You are a doctor who works with brain dead people, can't deal with hamburger? Huh. Welcome to du uppityperson Jul 2015 #382

Umm I don't slaughter the brain-dead people. Syzygy321 Jul 2015 #383

meaty things I have eaten. LuvLoogie Jul 2015 #385

So, the lion killer is just as okay as the homeless person eating KFC that someone gave him? The Second Stone Jul 2015 #386

That's a reasonable point oberliner Jul 2015 #389

No. A person who consumes meat from where he knows not is not guilty of animal cruelty The Second Stone Jul 2015 #390

What if he knows where it's from? oberliner Aug 2015 #391

Hearsay, or admissible personal knowledge? The Second Stone Aug 2015 #393

Animals in factory farms are grossly mistreated oberliner Aug 2015 #394

If you step on an ant, you are just as bad... MatthewStLouis Jul 2015 #388

Sorry but no. XRubicon Aug 2015 #392