General Discussion

xmas74

(30,022 posts)

144. Name recognition?

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:55 AM

Aug 2015

How does that denigrate her?

Everyone knows who Hillary Clinton is, for better or worse. Why deny it? Why pretend she's a candidate that is unknown?

She is running for election. She wants to be the next President of the United States-something that, as a woman, will make history. She will have to fight harder than any other candidate because she is a woman. Is it fair? No, but that's life. I've obviously never had that kind of attention but have learned that even for simple promotions I've had to fight against younger men with less experience. As a middle aged woman I've had to jump through more hoops, fight harder and appear to be nearly perfect just to fight for a small raise. I can't imagine what she has to go through day after day.

If a man had that kind of name recognition he'd run with it. I would be disappointed if she didn't use it to her best advantage. I want her to use being a wife, a mother, a grandmother, a daughter, etc, along with all of her qualifications. I want her to appear to be a strong woman who is more than qualified for the position, possibly the most qualified of the current batch of candidates for the position. I want her to pull out all the stops and I want her to leave absolutely nothing behind when she campaigns.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

151 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Shit. Jeb beats Hillary in a match up of all voters [View all] Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 OP

no experienced politician is beloved virtualobserver Jul 2015 #1

Not what Hillary supporters have been tellin us about the polls for months now, i.e., how Hillary beats all comers. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #30

and not what Bernie supporters have been telling us either, because bush wins by 5 points over still_one Jul 2015 #35

Yes, would be interesting to see. Maybe we will. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #43

I don't think we will though. The problem is I think this poll is using the model that assumes still_one Jul 2015 #46

Nope-- Bernie beats Bush, and all other Republicans Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #57

That is a CNN Poll NOT the quinnipiac poll, which is what this thread is about. You are clever to still_one Jul 2015 #69

In other words, one poll shows Bernie losing Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #75

I think the latest poll, which is the quinnipac poll is an outlier. Both Hillary and Bernie lose in still_one Jul 2015 #79

Yes, there is NO way a real poll where repubs arent oversampled does Hillary AllFieldsRequired Jul 2015 #126

Because Independents are a solid minority VanillaRhapsody Jul 2015 #66

Independents are what have been determining elections. Most republicans do not vote for Democrats, still_one Jul 2015 #71

What????? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2015 #73

You don't think independents are significant? They make or break elections. The stats you quote still_one Jul 2015 #77

All but 10% of "independents" consistently vote along party lines to almost the same degree seaglass Jul 2015 #97

OK, I will take yours and VanillaRhapsody's assessment that most independents are not truly independents. However, still_one Jul 2015 #111

Bernie beats all three top Republicans in the latest national poll. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #74

THAT IS NOT THE LATEST POLL, That is from July 26, 2010. The poll in THIS THREAD is from July 30th still_one Jul 2015 #78

Q seems to be the only poll with the Republicans at any kind of advantage for next year's race. Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #87

Long road to go but the fact that anyone would Juicy_Bellows Jul 2015 #2

I understand that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #3

And probably under sampled young people csziggy Jul 2015 #8

They polled 681 Dems and 710 Rethugs and even then got a result well within the margin of error. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #21

Really.. thanks for that, 1StrongBlackMan. And, is Quinnipiac even one of those trusted Cha Jul 2015 #55

Seems trustworthy enough when it puts Clinton ahead of Sanders. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #56

So pointing out flaws ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #108

it's silly to pretend it's "flawed" only when it gives you what you don't want to hear... Scootaloo Jul 2015 #118

Okay ... Now, THAT is silly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #120

similar flaws exist in other polls which I have seen hearty support for. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #121

Okay and thank you for the "advice" ... I will treasure it. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #124

Actually you should. it's a good way to maintain sanity during primary season. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #125

I do ... I, really do! ... Now, if only you would ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #127

Augh, my one true weakness! Improper use of commas and ellipses! Scootaloo Jul 2015 #129

I think you got the drift ... but feel free to edit it ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #130

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #110

Since you are an expert in polling former9thward Jul 2015 #59

I do not claim polling expertise; however, I have ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #106

Depends on turnout of course madville Jul 2015 #98

Per 1 person's statement? hahahahaha, don't make me laugh. We are months away from Election day trueblue2007 Jul 2015 #4

WTF is right! Kath1 Jul 2015 #5

The poll sampled 681 Dems, who liked Hillary, and 710 Rethugs, who liked Bush. pnwmom Jul 2015 #23

Then they are using the same model they used in 2012, assuming that more republican will show up still_one Jul 2015 #27

And it makes no sense. Adrahil Jul 2015 #96

Couple that with the under-representation of, both, Affrican-American and Hispanic voters ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #109

And that is a very good question, pnwmom, Kath1 Jul 2015 #32

Ugh...thanks for being an actual responder vs. the same ole same ole - "it's too Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #39

I agree. Kath1 Jul 2015 #49

It isn't a bad sign when a sample containing more Rethugs than Dems pnwmom Jul 2015 #51

And, again, it isn't a bad sign when ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #115

Don't panic.... The sample in that poll was really odd. Adrahil Jul 2015 #6

Since you are an expert in polling former9thward Jul 2015 #60

How about numbers that acurately depicts the VanillaRhapsody Jul 2015 #67

Canada is about to have a national election. The campaign season will be an astonishing 10 weeks long Fred Sanders Jul 2015 #7

Are they going to give those asshole Conservatives the boot? Armstead Jul 2015 #19

Money can't turn an election campaign that's three months long, Long enough to get excited. Monk06 Jul 2015 #65

Q is the only survey with these numbers. They're an outlier. Adenoid_Hynkel Jul 2015 #9

This isn't the first time their sample has included more Rethugs than Dems, pnwmom Jul 2015 #24

Actually considering only a 1 point difference with an over sampling of republicans bodes quite well still_one Jul 2015 #38

That's what I thought. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #50

Not surprised at all treestar Jul 2015 #83

Hmmm. "Trump beats all GOP candidates (including Jeb), but misterhighwasted Jul 2015 #10

Quinnipac... Outlier... Just like swing state polls Godhumor Jul 2015 #11

The extreme left on DU and elsewhere has spent woolldog Jul 2015 #12

Yes of course, Sanders is totally to blame for Jeb out-polling Hillary 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #15

Lol, the Hillary crowd crack me up! Nt Logical Jul 2015 #36

well YOU crack me up. trueblue2007 Jul 2015 #92

Quit blaming bernie for her problems then. nt Logical Jul 2015 #94

Protip: Corporate Dems usually wait until their corporate candidate loses to blame the left. Marr Jul 2015 #22

Obama withstood Hillary tag-team hammering him with John McCain 3 months after AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #28

Obama is a much better woolldog Jul 2015 #37

Yes he was, and it's Bernie that's caught fire this time. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #42

I'm sorry but Americans woolldog Jul 2015 #114

That's a rather subjective analysis. AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #117

NOBODY is "our only hope to win". John Poet Jul 2015 #80

Nobody? Not even Obi Wan? Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #93

Oh fuck me tkmorris Jul 2015 #31

extreme left? CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #33

Well...can not help, for sure. She's got no enthusiasm behind her. nt Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #40

And that is someone else's fault that she's got no enthusiasm behind her? Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #103

Doesn't matter whose fault it is. woolldog Jul 2015 #119

Which is why you started this sub-thread blaming the "extreme left on DU" Ms. Toad Jul 2015 #135

Exactly WD ! Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2015 #149

The poll over sampled republicans. What is significant, even with that there is only a 1 point gap still_one Jul 2015 #45

Oh, yes. The "extreme left" -- those who don't like Repub-lite. How dare they! Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #48

You're funny. Ok - I'll keep it up. 840high Jul 2015 #53

^^^This^^^^ VanillaRhapsody Jul 2015 #68

Cool story, bro RandiFan1290 Jul 2015 #82

Yeah, that's the ticket deutsey Jul 2015 #89

LOL! Extreme left! TransitJohn Jul 2015 #91

Keep up what you're doing, and we'll be doomed no matter who wins. FiveGoodMen Jul 2015 #133

Hillary has a viable challenger Aerows Jul 2015 #13

Jesus. It's one point. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #14

Jesus. No Dem should be behind Jeb Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #41

The poll was conducted with people who actually vote towards a specific party. xmas74 Jul 2015 #61

It is???? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2015 #70

It is now estimated that 43 percent xmas74 Jul 2015 #107

not buying this "estimate" VanillaRhapsody Jul 2015 #132

Affiliating with an actual party makes us the outliers. xmas74 Jul 2015 #134

Bernie must be doing something wrong if you think its JUST name VanillaRhapsody Jul 2015 #136

Why are you yelling at me? xmas74 Jul 2015 #137

Then why the tired ass "name recognition" meme? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2015 #139

Because I don't have a problem with name recognition. xmas74 Jul 2015 #140

That is NOT what is meant when that VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #141

Ok, you've lost me here. xmas74 Aug 2015 #142

Then why use terms that are used to denigrate her? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #143

Name recognition? xmas74 Aug 2015 #144

Let me introduce you to Democratic Underground VanillaRhapsody Aug 2015 #145

I've been here since 2004, no intro needed. xmas74 Aug 2015 #146

This poll sampled 681 Democrats and 710 Rethugs. So, surprise, surprise, they favored Bush. pnwmom Jul 2015 #16

Typical DU response. former9thward Jul 2015 #62

Fortunately, most DUers aren't that gullible. They know how to dig into the fine print. pnwmom Jul 2015 #72

NO, but is worth noting that this firm is an outlier Adenoid_Hynkel Jul 2015 #76

Normally, I'd agree... but the sample on this one is odd. Adrahil Jul 2015 #95

It is still far too early to take any polling seriously. SheilaT Jul 2015 #17

that's called a statistical tie, its MoE. Benie actually loses outside the MoE ericson00 Jul 2015 #18

And they included more Rethugs than Dems in their poll. So naturally it tilted toward Bush. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #20

Many USA people that are not Democratic party members PufPuf23 Jul 2015 #25

That's not even the issue with the poll. xmas74 Jul 2015 #63

42-41, and, margin of error is? what, +/-3%? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2015 #26

Who the fuck cares. It's fucking 15 months until the election! longship Jul 2015 #29

+1000 CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #34

How about you take a rest from being so fucking condescending. Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #44

How about relaxing for a while... longship Jul 2015 #47

ok, I am relaxed :) Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #105

Maybe you should pour yourself a drink and think about why a poll pnwmom Jul 2015 #52

I think it is so true here - and on the other side as well - that whenever a poll Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #100

I check the survey methodology with any seemingly important poll pnwmom Jul 2015 #113

point taken ! Probably should have qualified with "close" or "neck in neck". I totally Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2015 #116

Yes. I think we continue to have a very close split between the parties and we'll have to pnwmom Jul 2015 #122

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #54

The election is fifteen months out xmas74 Jul 2015 #64

Ugh, we can't afford four more years of the BFEE!!!!! Initech Jul 2015 #58

That's a statistical tie--well within the MOE. NT tblue37 Jul 2015 #81

Easy! Take a lungful. oldandhappy Jul 2015 #84

People who have been basing their entire political outlook on polls already for two years or more TheKentuckian Jul 2015 #85

Both of them customerserviceguy Jul 2015 #86

No wonder we are so fucked up, but I don't believe it. lonestarnot Jul 2015 #88

Anecdotally, a lot of people 'don't like Hillary' TransitJohn Jul 2015 #90

IF (BIG if) Hillary is the nominee DFW Jul 2015 #99

It's because of punks like this twerp libodem Jul 2015 #101

when 'lesser of the evils' is your message HFRN Jul 2015 #102

Clinton or Bush...either way, the money-men win. nt Romulox Jul 2015 #104

Fortunately the Republican electorate mostly hates him, particularly the far right wing of the GOP. stevenleser Jul 2015 #112

Sure you are upset about this (BS) poll from Quinnipiac. Dawson Leery Jul 2015 #123

My guess is that Jeb would lose Florida to Hillary HockeyMom Jul 2015 #128

Now that is how any Dem will win Florida. xmas74 Jul 2015 #138

Given the irresponsible nature of our media and the confused, anxious state of our citizenry, MBS Jul 2015 #131

But it's not even true. Even though the polled more Rethugs than Dems -- which no one pnwmom Aug 2015 #147

Great to know, but MBS Aug 2015 #148

You are absolutely right. We will have to fight as hard as we can for a huge turnout pnwmom Aug 2015 #151

This is no surprise - TBF Aug 2015 #150