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HuckleB

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118. Those are two of the common talking points.

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 10:45 AM

Aug 2015

Monsanto may be a corporate problem, but it's nowhere near as big as many other corporations. Also, it makes all types of seeds, including organic. The anti-GMO movement has worked to make it synonymous with GMOs, but that's simply not honest.

Knowing the seed development technology tells you nothing about the food in question. No other seed development technology is labeled, including Mutation Bred Organisms. The reality is that organic companies and the "non-GMO" followers have simply used GMO as a fear mongering point to market their foods and sell them at higher prices. We have choses to get angry at the wrong people on the GMO issue. It's really time to turn the tables if we are progressives who care about science, good information, food security, and the environment.

This covers some of the reasons labeling is not based in sound science.
http://blogs.berkeley.edu/2012/06/06/why-labeling-of-gmos-is-actually-bad-for-people-and-the-environment/

A piece that covers mutation breeding.
http://www.science20.com/kevin_folta/atomic_gardening_ultimate_frankenfoods-91836

And a good piece that covers some of the issues with the anti-GMO movement.
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/gmos-and-making-up-your-own-science/

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Slate: The Misleading War on GMOs [View all] alp227 Jul 2015 OP

Yep. Anti vaxxers are very similar to anti-GMO folks (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #1

There is no connection at all between the two groups, though GMO sellers pnwmom Jul 2015 #2

No connection at all? Major Nikon Jul 2015 #40

He's one man. You can find handfuls of people to say anything. But the vast majority of Americans pnwmom Jul 2015 #41

Actually the vast majority of Americans could give a shit about either Major Nikon Jul 2015 #43

93% of Americans vaccinate their children and 93% of Americans want GMOs labeled GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #3

Good point! Thanks! n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #4

93% of Americans are correct on vaccination and wrong on GMOs Orrex Jul 2015 #8

that is your opinion restorefreedom Jul 2015 #26

what is the limit of that right? Orrex Jul 2015 #28

1. it not based on ignorance and fear restorefreedom Jul 2015 #39

The right to know what you are buying doesn't include knowing how it's produced Major Nikon Jul 2015 #45

you have a right to know what is in it restorefreedom Jul 2015 #48

Ingredient labels are a thing you know. Lancero Jul 2015 #75

other consumers are free to read or ignore restorefreedom Jul 2015 #76

If you want organic food, buy organic labels. Lancero Jul 2015 #77

labeling is not perfect restorefreedom Jul 2015 #78

So we need foods labeled as organic... Lancero Jul 2015 #99

All it will do is raise the prices on food yeoman6987 Jul 2015 #107

There's a right to know what you are buying, not how it's produced Major Nikon Jul 2015 #44

GM Foods: A Moment of Honesty HuckleB Aug 2015 #114

gm is about two important issues restorefreedom Aug 2015 #117

Those are two of the common talking points. HuckleB Aug 2015 #118

Seldom have logic or evidence persuaded true believers in pseudoscience Orrex Jul 2015 #5

Now tell us about why GMOs now need Enlist Duo and why Starlink corn was recalled. GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #6

Why is it better to coddle irrational, misinformed fear? Orrex Jul 2015 #9

By William Saletan KamaAina Jul 2015 #7

You do remember using Saletan for an OP just a few months ago though, right? nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #21

Unlike Kaus, he is occasionally readable. KamaAina Jul 2015 #22

Yes, if I remember correctly......nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #24

The piece in question was hilarious. KamaAina Jul 2015 #23

Read his excerpt carefully gratuitous Jul 2015 #32

+1 nationalize the fed Jul 2015 #42

You make good points. Consumers are walking away from Big Food right now. GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #50

Well, they're trying. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #55

If GMOs are all that beneficial and good, why the resistance to labeling? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #10

Because such labels would damage sales for no good reason at all. Orrex Jul 2015 #12

Wrong. Labels, if factual, have zero impact on sales. closeupready Jul 2015 #14

You can't possibly believe that. Orrex Jul 2015 #17

Should organic products be forced to label, "fertilized with cow shit" Major Nikon Jul 2015 #33

GMO products should be labeled as such. closeupready Jul 2015 #35

You didn't answer the questions Major Nikon Jul 2015 #38

most people know that crops are fertilized restorefreedom Jul 2015 #49

Why are "ignorance and fear" so widespread? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #15

Yes, it's ignorance and fear, repeatedly demonstrated right here on DU Orrex Jul 2015 #18

Soooo...why can't GMO corporations sell their product as safe and beneficial? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #19

You simply don't understand the issue Orrex Jul 2015 #20

Here's why I asked. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #25

Regardless... Orrex Jul 2015 #30

gratuitous makes some pretty good points in reply 32 above GitRDun Jul 2015 #85

Consumers have every right to want the labels Orrex Jul 2015 #91

They have every right to demand that their elected officials pass laws that require gmo labelling. GitRDun Jul 2015 #94

If you'll allow... CanSocDem Jul 2015 #27

Some illiteracy here. Science does not prove things. It just doesn't. immoderate Jul 2015 #29

You want to withhold information to help corporate profits DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #36

Nope, try again Orrex Jul 2015 #89

Yes, in fact. "I know you are, but what am I" was invalidated after third grade. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #108

No, you're posting an objective lie. Orrex Jul 2015 #109

It's obviously not involunary action. Please show me where they're forced to sell food. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2015 #110

That's a deflection. You're really no good at this "discussion" thing. Orrex Jul 2015 #112

Will GMOs Hurt My Body? The Public�s Concerns and How Scientists Have Addressed Them HuckleB Sep 2015 #119

If Mutation Bred Organisms are all that beneficial good, why aren't they labeled? HuckleB Aug 2015 #116

I tend to agree, although I think processors ought to label their food for those Hoyt Jul 2015 #11

Keep shilling that Monsanto BS! closeupready Jul 2015 #13

Standard kneejerk reply. Buzz Clik Jul 2015 #16

I have allergies to certain foods and chemicals. That's why I want GMO produce identified. haele Jul 2015 #31

You are less likely to experience an allergic reaction from GMO Major Nikon Jul 2015 #34

If one has data on one group and not on another then one cannot predict that either group is less GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #47

For one thing, that's simply not true Major Nikon Jul 2015 #51

The maxim I stated is true BUT there IS data for non-GMO because it IS tested after all (?) GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #54

Sure, after it's already created a problem Major Nikon Jul 2015 #57

Maxim: You can't compare two sets of data if you only have one set of data. GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #63

You can predict which one is more likely to cause a problem Major Nikon Jul 2015 #66

incorrect restorefreedom Jul 2015 #52

Your post provides a pretty good proof of the OP Major Nikon Jul 2015 #56

gmo crops are not proven safe re allergies restorefreedom Jul 2015 #59

Neither one supports your assertion Major Nikon Jul 2015 #62

yes i do restorefreedom Jul 2015 #65

Then please show me what law grants you that right Major Nikon Jul 2015 #68

the right to know what is in my food?? restorefreedom Jul 2015 #70

I'm not sure if you don't understand or you're being obtuse Major Nikon Jul 2015 #71

in this case they are one and the same. nt restorefreedom Jul 2015 #74

Corn does not stop being corn because it's been transgenically modified Major Nikon Jul 2015 #83

there's corn restorefreedom Jul 2015 #86

Sure Major Nikon Jul 2015 #88

this is clearly an impasse restorefreedom Jul 2015 #90

I have no interest in changing your mind Major Nikon Jul 2015 #93

So? If they aren't labeled, then consumers won't know what they're reacting to. pnwmom Jul 2015 #61

I don't believe anyone is petitioning for common allergens NOT to be labeled Major Nikon Jul 2015 #64

The GMO producers are fighting to continue not labeling GMO ingredients. pnwmom Jul 2015 #72

Not surprisingly given there's no proven risk Major Nikon Jul 2015 #73

I don't know why they don't support labeling because that stance is inconsistent pnwmom Jul 2015 #79

Seems entirely consistent Major Nikon Jul 2015 #82

We don't have mandatory pre-market testing with the FDA. So, in the absence of that, pnwmom Jul 2015 #84

There is no absence of testing Major Nikon Jul 2015 #87

There IS an absence of mandatory safety testing, and that's why the AMA is calling for it. pnwmom Jul 2015 #92

The AMA is not the only one calling for it Major Nikon Jul 2015 #95

Right now the producers can select which studies they submit to the FDA, pnwmom Jul 2015 #97

That would be a pretty good trick Major Nikon Jul 2015 #98

Not according to the AMA. In the statement in your own link. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #102

The testing of GMO's is voluntary, not mandatory. And the FDA has a conflict of interest pnwmom Jul 2015 #106

Point is, I don't have many reactions to common allergens. haele Jul 2015 #81

The reality is that other seed development technologies should scare you more. HuckleB Aug 2015 #115

I'm not looking for 'safer'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #37

You just won 10 minutes worth Free Fact Checking Service ! paragraph 2... GreatGazoo Jul 2015 #46

need something like... Wolverine23 Jul 2015 #53

I don't give a fuck about Monsanto's profits. If they want to keep losing the public trust then they GoneFishin Jul 2015 #58

+1000 nt laundry_queen Jul 2015 #80

No one should trust William Saletan, who wrote "Why I love Paul Ryan." pnwmom Jul 2015 #60

Hank Green on his YouTube podcast, SciShow, had to set the record straight cpwm17 Jul 2015 #67

One thing I never understood about the Anti-GMO argument, if its so obviously bad... Humanist_Activist Jul 2015 #69

It's possible to not be a purist in regards to GMOs. Oneironaut Jul 2015 #96

... X_Digger Jul 2015 #100

Fuck Slate. And fuck the Monsanto shills. kestrel91316 Jul 2015 #101

What a thoughtful and nuanced perspective. Bonx Jul 2015 #111

Farmers turn to GMO-free crops to boost income JEB Jul 2015 #103

Fuck everyone who is trying to force me to purchase and eat GMO's. They Zorra Jul 2015 #104

Insulin is all from genetically modified bacteria these days eridani Jul 2015 #105

A very thorough piece, that covers the reality of the situation. HuckleB Jul 2015 #113